Keep current mobo and get ivy or wait for haswell?

[BuffaloChuck]

If you want better disk-access for more drives, Haswell is promising (threatening?) to offer 6 SATAIII ports, natively. Welcome to the modern world, Intel! Four years after the OTHER folks have done this... it's about time!

At the same time, consumers should remember the P67 fun and glitches. "Be the first one on your block" might not be best move to make - we'll wait a few months to see what bugs are discovered in Wave #1.

 

[VirtualLarry]

If you want better disk-access for more drives, Haswell is promising (threatening?) to offer 6 SATAIII ports, natively. Welcome to the modern world, Intel! Four years after the OTHER folks have done this... it's about time!

Intel's "innovation" moves rather slowly. I've had all-SATA6G ports on my 990FX/SB950 board for quite a while now.

At the same time, consumers should remember the P67 fun and glitches. "Be the first one on your block" might not be best move to make - we'll wait a few months to see what bugs are discovered in Wave #1.

You mean, like the known USB3.0 bug in Z87 that won't be fixed until the C2 stepping hits in July?

 

[Arkaign]

Haha, the thing is that AMD's SATA performance is so poor that Sata2 is faster on Intel Z77 than Sata3 on SB950.

http://uk.hardware.info/reviews/271...ich-chipset-scales-the-best-intel-z77-chipset

I really hope AMD gets better chipset performance soon, their USB performance is also lacking.

 

[FearfulSPARTAN]

Haha, the thing is that AMD's SATA performance is so poor that Sata2 is faster on Intel Z77 than Sata3 on SB950.

http://uk.hardware.info/reviews/271...ich-chipset-scales-the-best-intel-z77-chipset

I really hope AMD gets better chipset performance soon, their USB performance is also lacking.

That may have been a driver issue, some people say their boards are fine

 

[Jimzz]

Ivy is not 5-15% over Sandy clock for clock.

Clock for clock, 0-7%

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/ivy-bridge-benchmark-core-i7-3770k,3181-24.html

And most things are 5% or less.

Given that this guy is talking about keeping the unit for a long time, I'd still recommend waiting for Haswell. Ivy didn't impress me in the least. I have a cool running 2700K @ 5Ghz on air without delidding, which would take at least a 4.7Ghz Ivy to match it. I couldn't get my 3770K beyond 4.4 without ludicrous voltage/heat, and don't want to delid.

The H61 chipset with older SATA/USB, meh.

Z87 + Haswell i5 should be his ticket for a build that will be really flexible and last for a long time. If OP had a Z68/Z77 mobo, I'd say just drop in a cheap used 2600K and call it done. I'd bet $100 that a 2600K @ 4.5Ghz will be as fast or faster than a stock 3.xGhz 4770K (or whatever the Haswell SKU for that model will be).

Anandtech reviews shows...

"The 3770K however manages to slot in above all of the other Sandy Bridge parts at between 5—20% faster than the 2600K."

The 3770k is only 100mhz faster.


http://www.anandtech.com/show/5771/the-intel-ivy-bridge-core-i7-3770k-review

"The performance advantage over the 2600K is around 9%."
"we see a pretty reasonable gain for Ivy Bridge: 8.5% over a 2600K."
"shows a 9% performance advantage for the 3770K over the 2600K"
"If we rely on software decoding but use Intel's hardware encode engine, Ivy Bridge is 18% faster than Sandy Bridge in this test. If we turn on both hardware decode and encode, the advantage grows to 29%. More than half of the performance advantage in this case is due to the faster decode engine on Ivy Bridge."

 

[cytg111]

Yea thats kinda what I was thinking, if I did want to upgrade from haswell I would need a new board anyways but even if it did support broadwell which it wont if its bga only i dont think that would be a meaningful upgrade, however given my current situation upgrading from a sandy dual to an ivy quad will still have me set for awhile on the cpu front and would not be a bad upgrade imo, but if everyone thinks I should stay up to date and get haswell I may do that.

I guess it comes down to this; will you sell the old parts?

 

[FearfulSPARTAN]

I guess it comes down to this; will you sell the old parts?

I might be able to if I sell through craigslist but I hadn't planned on that yet

 

[guskline]

I'd wait until Haswell comes out. I just recently upped from a I5-2500k to an I7-3770k and I'm thrilled (see rig 1 below). It doesn't hurt that I was able to go to MicroCenter and get it for $229.95. I have a higher end Z68 mb and just wanted the fastest processor.
In your case, I looked up your mb and there are options to up it in performance some but with Haswell coming out so soon, I'd wait to see what Haswell chips they release and hopefully a comparison to a system similar to yours. Good luck.

 

[rgallant]

1. 30minutes (an hour if you really don't know what you are doing.)
2. 30 minutes (OP already said he has an SSD which speeds things up nicely)
3. Unless we are talking about a crazy amount of programs this will take about an hour with an SSD
4. Once again unless we are talking about a stupid amount of documents this should take no more than an hour with an external HDD.

Quite where you get 10 hours from is beyond me.

add 200 hrs to try to under stand the the bios's terms as mb programers make their own programing terms and words only the programer of said mb understands ,[most gui can't deal with my 2560x1440 res. as they program on sub. 1080 res.even nvidia and can't see the bs they program.]
click help to enable unknown feature[to said user or a member of the human race] click enable or disable wtf maybe 300 hrs .any other hardware help besides mb and ms might give you a hint what the option means.

 

[2is]

1. 30minutes (an hour if you really don't know what you are doing.)
2. 30 minutes (OP already said he has an SSD which speeds things up nicely)
3. Unless we are talking about a crazy amount of programs this will take about an hour with an SSD
4. Once again unless we are talking about a stupid amount of documents this should take no more than an hour with an external HDD.

Quite where you get 10 hours from is beyond me.

2 hour to do a complete system rebuild is far more unlikely than 10 hours.

I'd doubt you'd get much further than building the system, Installing windows, drivers, MS office and all the windows/office updates downloaded and installed in 2 hours even with a SSD.

 

[Arkaign]

Anandtech reviews shows...

"The 3770K however manages to slot in above all of the other Sandy Bridge parts at between 5—20% faster than the 2600K."

The 3770k is only 100mhz faster.


http://www.anandtech.com/show/5771/the-intel-ivy-bridge-core-i7-3770k-review

"The performance advantage over the 2600K is around 9%."
"we see a pretty reasonable gain for Ivy Bridge: 8.5% over a 2600K."
"shows a 9% performance advantage for the 3770K over the 2600K"
"If we rely on software decoding but use Intel's hardware encode engine, Ivy Bridge is 18% faster than Sandy Bridge in this test. If we turn on both hardware decode and encode, the advantage grows to 29%. More than half of the performance advantage in this case is due to the faster decode engine on Ivy Bridge."

The decode thing is meaningless to me. Perhaps someone uses it.

Outside of that, it's almost all single digits, and usually less than 5% clock for clock (ie: 3.4/3.8 vs 3.5/3.9 and more aggressive turbo).

When you compare ~4.2-4.4 Ivy to 4.6-4.8 (or in my case 5.0) Sandy, you don't see any real advantage to Ivy. Delidders have the best though, Ivy > Sandy at similar clocks. And of course the notebook Ivys don't have that horrid stock TIM+IHS, so their best advantage imho stock is for mobile.

I sold my 3770k and don't miss it. Haswell will hopefully offer something compelling.

 

[Arkaign]

That may have been a driver issue, some people say their boards are fine

They are indeed fine, but the fact remains my AMD boxes always have slower Sata performance. It's not that they're bad really, but AMD's Sata3 performance is not fully up to par, so just looking at specs is misleading.

 

[NTMBK]

They are indeed fine, but the fact remains my AMD boxes always have slower Sata performance. It's not that they're bad really, but AMD's Sata3 performance is not fully up to par, so just looking at specs is misleading.

Was this on their AM2/2+/3/3+ platform? I suspect that FM2 will do better- it's a modern single-chip design, instead of separate north+southbridge like on AM3+.

 

[Arkaign]

Was this on their AM2/2+/3/3+ platform? I suspect that FM2 will do better- it's a modern single-chip design, instead of separate north+southbridge like on AM3+.

I bet you're right, FM2 should be a monumental leap forward for AMD.

My AM3+ mobo is Asus Sabertooth 990FX, and with either the 8150, 955BE, or 1090T installed, SATA performance is mediocre at best. Latest bios, tried both default Win7 64 SATA drivers as well as multiple versions of AMD chipset drivers. Not so bad with mechanical hard drives, but it's noticeable with SSDs. USB also kind of sucks on it.