Keep current mobo and get ivy or wait for haswell?

[FearfulSPARTAN]

Hi this is mostly just an early opinion im seeking on my cpu upgrade later this year, I know Haswell isnt out yet but I dont think its going to be making any major performance jumps but im still considering it.

Right now im using an i3-2105 with an asrock h61m-dgs and I dont have a need for usb 3.0 in the short to mid term, I would like to have sata 3 but i dont think it makes a huge enough difference for me on an ssd and luckily my board does have pcie 3.0 for future graphics cards that need the bandwidth.

So right now im leaning towards an i5-3470 which will be little bit cheaper I assume when haswell launches but if haswell has higher performance than originally expected I may go with that and purchase a new board but I wanted to get early opinions from you guys, also on a side note I like amd more than I do intel but they just are not that competitive lately but if they start to perform better and more games take advantage of multithreading I will consider them too. Any comments is apreciated as always, thanks.

 

[ShintaiDK]

CPU prices will be the same. And I havent seen any get lower yet recently.

And with the minimal cost of your board. I would simply move to Haswel and sell the old CPU+Board as a combo.

 

[cytg111]

What are you doing with your rig? We are different ppl but for me, there mere thought of

1. installing new board, cpu and ram(? if you sell the old as a package deal)
2. reinstalling windows
3. reinstalling all my programs,
4. repopulating my documents and everything in between

Is easy 10+ hours .... and that makes it a pretty easy choice to me, out with the old cpu, in with the new. toss the old. good to go.

But, what one man hates another enjoys

 

[FearfulSPARTAN]

Mostly just gaming and when im not doing that im just web browsing

 

[MightyMalus]

If the gaming is good enough as it is, why upgrade now?
That's my view.

 

[FearfulSPARTAN]

Because I want to set myself up for awhile with next gen games on the way, after this upgrade I dont plan to upgrade my cpu for another 3-4 years/generations of cpus

 

[jihe]

Because I want to set myself up for awhile with next gen games on the way, after this upgrade I dont plan to upgrade my cpu for another 3-4 years/generations of cpus

Do you feel your current rig is inadequate for your use? I see no reason to upgrade until you actually want to play a game that your desktop cannot handle.

 

[cytg111]

Do you feel your current rig is inadequate for your use? I see no reason to upgrade until you actually want to play a game that your desktop cannot handle.

Yea, what kind of graphics are you sporting and at what resolution? You might be better of with a new descrete ..

 

[MightyMalus]

Because I want to set myself up for awhile with next gen games on the way, after this upgrade I dont plan to upgrade my cpu for another 3-4 years/generations of cpus

Wait for Haswell.

 

[JeBarr]

Wait for Haswell.

And after you are done waiting, don't skimp on the Haswell CPU that you do ultimately purchase or else you'll just be back to where you are now thinking about upgrading a part that you shouldn't need to be upgrading.

 

[scannall]

Wait for Haswell. It uses a different socket, so getting a new Ivy now will put you one generation behind right from the start.

 

[cytg111]

.. cause AVX2, TSX and 10% IPC increase will be all that compared to ivey. Even if haswell was out now, i'd still opt for ivey.

 

[piasabird]

http://www.anandtech.com/show/6655/...-rating-to-get-there-yseries-skus-demystified

This article says there will be haswell low-power processors realeased on Ivy Bridge Core.

From a gamer perspective they may not be that useful. They are underclocked by about 200mhz, so they may not be much performance oriented. So will they also have gamer performance in mind? Will they overclock well? But the point is some Haswell technology will be released in Ivy Bridge cores. They probably do not want to make Ivy Bridge processors as fast or faster then the next core. That would defeat the purpose of a new core which is to get people to purchase faster processors at a premium.

Show me the benchmarks.

Maybe the package that the processors are built in will be cooler running.

 

[ShintaiDK]

This article says there will be haswell low-power processors realeased on Ivy Bridge Core.

They are either Haswell or Ivy Bridge. They cant be both or cross platform. Those you link are Ivy Bridge CPUs.

 

[Homeles]

.. cause AVX2, TSX and 10% IPC increase will be all that compared to ivey. Even if haswell was out now, i'd still opt for ivey.

It's unsurprising that you'd make such an asinine decision.

The guy's here for advice. What kind of screwed up person deliberately offers bad advice? There's no financial incentive either -- pure sociopathy.

Yeah, you're right. Maybe we should be suggesting that the OP should buy a Pentium III.

 

[Jimzz]

I agree, wait for Haswell.

 

[Puppies04]

1. installing new board, cpu and ram(? if you sell the old as a package deal) 2. reinstalling windows 3. reinstalling all my programs, 4. repopulating my documents and everything in between

1. 30minutes (an hour if you really don't know what you are doing.)
2. 30 minutes (OP already said he has an SSD which speeds things up nicely)
3. Unless we are talking about a crazy amount of programs this will take about an hour with an SSD
4. Once again unless we are talking about a stupid amount of documents this should take no more than an hour with an external HDD.

Quite where you get 10 hours from is beyond me.

 

[cytg111]

It's unsurprising that you'd make such an asinine decision.

The guy's here for advice. What kind of screwed up person deliberately offers bad advice? There's no financial incentive either -- pure sociopathy.

Yeah, you're right. Maybe we should be suggesting that the OP should buy a Pentium III.

UMADBRO?

Viiiiirge!!

 

[cytg111]

1. 30minutes (an hour if you really don't know what you are doing.)
2. 30 minutes (OP already said he has an SSD which speeds things up nicely)
3. Unless we are talking about a crazy amount of programs this will take about an hour with an SSD
4. Once again unless we are talking about a stupid amount of documents this should take no more than an hour with an external HDD.

Quite where you get 10 hours from is beyond me.

Well, then you're just that much faster than me. I always encounter a pci slot that is just not aligned properly with the case or cables that dont connect properly, something always pops up.. And between java ide's, codeblocks and visualstudio, bunch of debugging apps, messaging, tor, steam, virtual machines and all the sh* I've forgotten, configuring all said apps .. it's a workday, for me atleast before I have a 90% system again.
Popping out the i3 and in with i5/i7 would just be too easy not to do it, for me, especially since haswell is estimated to be 'only' 10% faster in the apps I mostly use.

 

[Homeles]

Reinstalling commonly used applications made easy:
http://ninite.com/

 

[Jimzz]

Well, then you're just that much faster than me. I always encounter a pci slot that is just not aligned properly with the case or cables that dont connect properly, something always pops up.. And between java ide's, codeblocks and visualstudio, bunch of debugging apps, messaging, tor, steam, virtual machines and all the sh* I've forgotten, configuring all said apps .. it's a workday, for me atleast before I have a 90% system again.
Popping out the i3 and in with i5/i7 would just be too easy not to do it, for me, especially since haswell is estimated to be 'only' 10% faster in the apps I mostly use.

The 10% is over Ivy, not Sandy, if I remember correct. Ivy was 5-15% over Sandy. So average it out you could see 20% or better at the same Mhz but Haswell shoud have a slight bump over Ivy as well, run cooler, and have better onboard video.

I have a Ivy i5 and I don't think you will see enough to warrant the extra cost now. Also 1155 dies with Ivy while a good Haswell might survive to the next Gen CPU like good Z68 boards have lasted till Ivy from Sandy.

 

[Redoitall]

Haswell

 

[FearfulSPARTAN]

about to purchase a radeon hd 7850 and im using my 24 inch 1080p hdtv

 

[FearfulSPARTAN]

The 10% is over Ivy, not Sandy, if I remember correct. Ivy was 5-15% over Sandy. So average it out you could see 20% or better at the same Mhz but Haswell shoud have a slight bump over Ivy as well, run cooler, and have better onboard video.

I have a Ivy i5 and I don't think you will see enough to warrant the extra cost now. Also 1155 dies with Ivy while a good Haswell might survive to the next Gen CPU like good Z68 boards have lasted till Ivy from Sandy.

Yea thats kinda what I was thinking, if I did want to upgrade from haswell I would need a new board anyways but even if it did support broadwell which it wont if its bga only i dont think that would be a meaningful upgrade, however given my current situation upgrading from a sandy dual to an ivy quad will still have me set for awhile on the cpu front and would not be a bad upgrade imo, but if everyone thinks I should stay up to date and get haswell I may do that.

 

[Arkaign]

The 10% is over Ivy, not Sandy, if I remember correct. Ivy was 5-15% over Sandy. So average it out you could see 20% or better at the same Mhz but Haswell shoud have a slight bump over Ivy as well, run cooler, and have better onboard video.

I have a Ivy i5 and I don't think you will see enough to warrant the extra cost now. Also 1155 dies with Ivy while a good Haswell might survive to the next Gen CPU like good Z68 boards have lasted till Ivy from Sandy.

Ivy is not 5-15% over Sandy clock for clock.

Clock for clock, 0-7%

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/ivy-bridge-benchmark-core-i7-3770k,3181-24.html

And most things are 5% or less.

Given that this guy is talking about keeping the unit for a long time, I'd still recommend waiting for Haswell. Ivy didn't impress me in the least. I have a cool running 2700K @ 5Ghz on air without delidding, which would take at least a 4.7Ghz Ivy to match it. I couldn't get my 3770K beyond 4.4 without ludicrous voltage/heat, and don't want to delid.

The H61 chipset with older SATA/USB, meh.

Z87 + Haswell i5 should be his ticket for a build that will be really flexible and last for a long time. If OP had a Z68/Z77 mobo, I'd say just drop in a cheap used 2600K and call it done. I'd bet $100 that a 2600K @ 4.5Ghz will be as fast or faster than a stock 3.xGhz 4770K (or whatever the Haswell SKU for that model will be).