Ken Dorsey

[murphy55d]

Ken Dorsey = Eric Crouch

Successful in college(although different types of QBs), but just doesn't have what it takes to be an NFL QB. I knew Banks and Gesser wouldn't get drafted either, they're just not what teams look for in a QB. Banks and Gesser could probably be pretty solid in the CFL, or another lower tier league like that.

I think it also says a lot that Drew Henson was taken before Dorsey, and he'll never play a game in the NFL, unless he somehow becomes a baseball disaster.

 

[mpitts]

Originally posted by: murphy55d

I think it also says a lot that Drew Henson was taken before Dorsey, and he'll never play a game in the NFL, unless he somehow becomes a baseball disaster.

You mean moreso than he already is.

Ugh. I really wish he would just fade into oblivion. Selling out my beloved Wolverines for the YANKEES of all teams.

 

[hdeck]

Originally posted by: Mookow

Originally posted by: bubbadu
Four words

Dorsey. SACKED. OSU. WINS.

Go bucks and by the way... Dorsey SUCKS!!!!!!

-Bubbadu

I taped the game, and on review, let me just say I got a chuckle out of the fact that in the second half, the announcers were predicting that Krenzel would have to come out of the game due to all the hits he was taking. It ended up with Dorsey not even being able to stay upright on his hands and knees, just from that one hit by Wilhelm...

i'd like to see you take that hit...

 

[Mookow]

Originally posted by: hdeck

Originally posted by: Mookow

Originally posted by: bubbadu
Four words

Dorsey. SACKED. OSU. WINS.

Go bucks and by the way... Dorsey SUCKS!!!!!!

-Bubbadu

I taped the game, and on review, let me just say I got a chuckle out of the fact that in the second half, the announcers were predicting that Krenzel would have to come out of the game due to all the hits he was taking. It ended up with Dorsey not even being able to stay upright on his hands and knees, just from that one hit by Wilhelm...

i'd like to see you take that hit...

Where did I say I would get up from it ready to go for the next play? Just because I figure Dorsey was ready to take a towel, stuff the edge under the back of his helmet to make a half-@ssed cape, and run around yelling "I am Bat-Man!" doesnt mean I'd like Wilhelm to tackle me. I just enjoyed the fact that Dorsey got hit less but got forced out of the game, without serious injury.

 

[bubbadu]

At the OSU celebration ( drove all the way from Vermont to go to it) the guy sitting behind us said it brought him to tears when Dorsey was thrown down to the ground like a RAG DOLL .. it was great having 50K people sitting in 20 degree weather watching the game again.. and cheering along with every play like it was live

-Bubbadu

 

[Mookow]

Originally posted by: bubbadu
At the OSU celebration ( drove all the way from Vermont to go to it) the guy sitting behind us said it brought him to tears when Dorsey was thrown down to the ground like a RAG DOLL .. it was great having 50K people sitting in 20 degree weather watching the game again.. and cheering along with every play like it was live

-Bubbadu

Seeing that hit made me jump up and down, partly because it was good for OSU and partly because it meant a friend of my roommate from Miami University (of Ohio) owed me $50. He bet me that Wilhelm wasnt going to get a sack, and offered 5:2 odds...

 

[Syringer]

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: LeeTJ

Originally posted by: Mookow
Heisman candidate, was the 27th pick in the 7th round of the draft, 241 overall. I heard a lot of trash talking from Miami fans about him, I said he wasnt that great, and apparently the NFL agrees. Just thought I'd share.

you mean the same nfl that picked Ryan Leaf, Jeff George at the TOP??

There is a long history of 1st round qb's not living up to hype.

another example, Peyton Manning (can't win a playoff game) vs Tom Brady, Wins the Super Bowl.

what was brady a 7th round pick?? manning #1 overall??

doesn't mean manning is a disappointment but he hasn't taken the colts where they want to go.

joe montana was a late pick in the '84 draft. or was that dan marino? john elway was number 1 but he wasn't all that great until late in his career

Montana was way before Marino's time. Marino was drafted somewhat late, but it was still in the first round. There were 5 other QBs picked ahead of him in that round, but he ended up winning rookie of the year, and in his second season passed for 48 TD's and over 5000 yards.

 

[hdeck]

Originally posted by: Mookow

Originally posted by: hdeck

Originally posted by: Mookow

Originally posted by: bubbadu
Four words

Dorsey. SACKED. OSU. WINS.

Go bucks and by the way... Dorsey SUCKS!!!!!!

-Bubbadu

I taped the game, and on review, let me just say I got a chuckle out of the fact that in the second half, the announcers were predicting that Krenzel would have to come out of the game due to all the hits he was taking. It ended up with Dorsey not even being able to stay upright on his hands and knees, just from that one hit by Wilhelm...

i'd like to see you take that hit...

Where did I say I would get up from it ready to go for the next play? Just because I figure Dorsey was ready to take a towel, stuff the edge under the back of his helmet to make a half-@ssed cape, and run around yelling "I am Bat-Man!" doesnt mean I'd like Wilhelm to tackle me. I just enjoyed the fact that Dorsey got hit less but got forced out of the game, without serious injury.

and i bet you are one of the fans that cheers when someone breaks a bone or gets a concussion, too? you must have had a real laugh when tommy maddux went down. it doesn't matter how many times a quarterback gets hit. one good hit is all it takes to knock the wind out of you.

 

[Queasy]

Originally posted by: flxnimprtmscl
Damn, I just took a look at the breakdown of things since I didn't watch it. Am I the only one surprised that Grossman went 22nd overall? I mean, didn't he show his true colors outside of the Spurrier system last year? Kinda funny actually. Shows Chicago really has alot of faith in Kordel by burning their second pick on an overrated QB.

I'm by no means a Florida fan (actually Alabama fan) but, Grossman started out the year in a completely new system with a pretty bad offensive line and only one real weapon at the wide receiver position. He wasn't helped by his one weapon getting injured during the middle of the season either. Grossman picked things up as the season wore on and played well though.

Spurrier got out at the right time...just went to the wrong NFL team and tried to drag his retread no-armed QBs with him. Grossman breaks the mold of the typical Spurrier/Florida QB. He has a good arm (not great) for the NFL and could do well if placed in the right situation.

As for Kordell, would you have faith in a headcase that cries on the bench? He has had a wacky career. He'll have a great season then a bad season then a great season then a bad season...ad nauseum. Who knows if he'll turn it around?

 

[Dragnov]

another example, Peyton Manning (can't win a playoff game) vs Tom Brady, Wins the Super Bowl.

what was brady a 7th round pick?? manning #1 overall??

doesn't mean manning is a disappointment but he hasn't taken the colts where they want to go.

I would take Peyton Manning over Tom Brady any day. Tom Brady is an above average QB yes but by no means is he a "great" QB IMO. But like you said, I do believe he fit into the Pats team better than Drew Bledsoe did so hence his success.

If Manning actually had someone to throw to other than Harrison, he could get further. Manning takes a sub-par team (overall) like the Colts and actually takes them to the playoffs.

 

[flxnimprtmscl]

Originally posted by: Queasy

Originally posted by: flxnimprtmscl
Damn, I just took a look at the breakdown of things since I didn't watch it. Am I the only one surprised that Grossman went 22nd overall? I mean, didn't he show his true colors outside of the Spurrier system last year? Kinda funny actually. Shows Chicago really has alot of faith in Kordel by burning their second pick on an overrated QB.

I'm by no means a Florida fan (actually Alabama fan) but, Grossman started out the year in a completely new system with a pretty bad offensive line and only one real weapon at the wide receiver position. He wasn't helped by his one weapon getting injured during the middle of the season either. Grossman picked things up as the season wore on and played well though.

Spurrier got out at the right time...just went to the wrong NFL team and tried to drag his retread no-armed QBs with him. Grossman breaks the mold of the typical Spurrier/Florida QB. He has a good arm (not great) for the NFL and could do well if placed in the right situation.

As for Kordell, would you have faith in a headcase that cries on the bench? He has had a wacky career. He'll have a great season then a bad season then a great season then a bad season...ad nauseum. Who knows if he'll turn it around?

No, I wouldn't have any faith in him. But why pick him up in the first place? Hell, I'd take Miller over Kordel any day. At least you know what you get for the most part. Kordel is good for a few things though. I mean, who hasn't spent hours trying to figure out what the hell is growing on his face

 

[LeeTJ]

Originally posted by: Gr1mL0cK

another example, Peyton Manning (can't win a playoff game) vs Tom Brady, Wins the Super Bowl.

what was brady a 7th round pick?? manning #1 overall??

doesn't mean manning is a disappointment but he hasn't taken the colts where they want to go.

I would take Peyton Manning over Tom Brady any day. Tom Brady is an above average QB yes but by no means is he a "great" QB IMO. But like you said, I do believe he fit into the Pats team better than Drew Bledsoe did so hence his success.

If Manning actually had someone to throw to other than Harrison, he could get further. Manning takes a sub-par team (overall) like the Colts and actually takes them to the playoffs.

still, when a QB is picked doesn't seem to be strongly correlated to his level of success.

 

[bujuranks]

Interesting, so ken Dorsey gets drafted by San Francisco. Is it possible that Bill Walsh sees the same qualities in him as he saw in Joe Montana? I am not saying that he is going to be another Montana but who knows. Anyways, the success of most QBs and their team is tied to the system that they are in. However, finding the right system that fits the QB and the team is the hardest thing.

 

[wyvrn]

I don't know if you are going to catch lightning in a bottle twice. SF may have drafted Ken Dorsey for his intangibles, but if anyone expects him to be another Montana you are setting yourself up for disappointment. The chances are slim he will have a career anything like Montana's. That doesn't mean he can't be a decent NFL QB.

 

[Turkey22]

Dorsey will be lucky to be a career backup, could be a very solid one if he develops.

 

[LH]

San Fran is looking for a starter to replace Garcia in a year or two(hes old). A 7th rd pick wont cost them much money. They're just going to see if he can make it in the NFL or not.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: wyvrn
I don't know if you are going to catch lightning in a bottle twice. SF may have drafted Ken Dorsey for his intangibles, but if anyone expects him to be another Montana you are setting yourself up for disappointment. The chances are slim he will have a career anything like Montana's. That doesn't mean he can't be a decent NFL QB.

Hey Nobody thought Jeff Garcia would turn out to be th quality QB he's become. Along with physical attributes there's heart and if Dorsey has as much heart as Garcia and half as much as Montana he may turn out to be another in the long line of good QB's for the Niners. Of course that's a lot of if's!

 

[Mookow]

Originally posted by: hdeck

Originally posted by: MookowWhere did I say I would get up from it ready to go for the next play? Just because I figure Dorsey was ready to take a towel, stuff the edge under the back of his helmet to make a half-@ssed cape, and run around yelling "I am Bat-Man!" doesnt mean I'd like Wilhelm to tackle me. I just enjoyed the fact that Dorsey got hit less but got forced out of the game, without serious injury.

and i bet you are one of the fans that cheers when someone breaks a bone or gets a concussion, too? you must have had a real laugh when tommy maddux went down. it doesn't matter how many times a quarterback gets hit. one good hit is all it takes to knock the wind out of you.

Point a: I, and everyone else in the house I was watching the game at, quieted down quite a bit when McGahee got hit, and the house went silent when they showed the replay, excluding muttered exclamations like "oh sh!t" and "thats gotta fscking hurt".

Point b: Dorsey had a lot more than the wind knocked out of him. I've had the wind knocked out of me, it never caused me to lay on the ground and not move for about a minute.

 

[Sid59]

Go Dorsey and Niners. I hope he turns out well. A solid arm doesn't equate to sucess.

"I feel like the ball has been coming out a lot better," Dorsey said. "My spiral has gotten a lot tighter because I haven't really had to try to overpower a throw or anything like that. A lot of that has to do with the added strength that I put on."

The results are striking: Dorsey has added 26 pounds of muscle to his 6-foot-4 frame since the Hurricanes lost the national title game to Ohio State in January, and his increased strength is obvious in his throws.

http://www.nfl.com/draft/story/6341587

 

[NeoV]

Dorsey is a warrior, the guys on his team absolutely worship him.....he is way better than Kingsbury is (gimmick offense, zero arm strength)...he also lost about 10 pounds prior to the combine from being sick, and though his "poor" showing there got quite a bit of pub, his private workouts for several teams went pretty well...for the Niners he threw 2 incompletions out of the nearly 60 passes they had him throw....

I played QB in college, so I think I am a fair evaluator of QB talent, and I would take him over half of the backup QB's in the NFL right now...who knows, give him a few years of additional work and he can get stronger and at the very least be a good backup QB, and maybe down the line, ala Rich Gannon, Tommy Maddox, etc, become a solid starter.

 

[BD231]

I can't believe Brad Banks was not selected......., he plays like Michale Vick and he's fast as sh*t to. He's more than athletic enough to be a reciever......, re-dicka-liss. People always holdin down the black man........

 

[human2k]

I hope Dorsey proves them wrong someday. The next Brad Johnson? But he did play with a team that had outstanding athletes.

 

[wyvrn]

Yeah that's a good point. Garcia gets by with game smarts, guts and heart. I don't know if he'll be another Montana, but QB's like that are underrated at the draft where everyone wants the 6'4" 220lb guy that runs a 4.8 40. But for everyone one of those underdogs that make it at QB in the NFL are a ton of guys that don't. The scheme has a lot to do with Garcia's, Montana's, and Young's success, so Dorsey is going to the right place if he is going to make it.

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: wyvrn
I don't know if you are going to catch lightning in a bottle twice. SF may have drafted Ken Dorsey for his intangibles, but if anyone expects him to be another Montana you are setting yourself up for disappointment. The chances are slim he will have a career anything like Montana's. That doesn't mean he can't be a decent NFL QB.

Hey Nobody thought Jeff Garcia would turn out to be th quality QB he's become. Along with physical attributes there's heart and if Dorsey has as much heart as Garcia and half as much as Montana he may turn out to be another in the long line of good QB's for the Niners. Of course that's a lot of if's!

 

[Avatar26]

You never know what will happen with a QB for a draft pick,perfect example.