Ken Shamrock vs. Kimbo Slice - Oct. 4th EliteXC event

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who has he faught? a bunch of nobody's and has beens. only stricker he has fought is a very out of shape and old Tank abbot.


i will admit kimbo is is great at striking. but to think he would crush fedor in a striking match is insane.

this

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: mjh
Dude, just give it up... who has Kimbo beaten that would make you think he could strike with a real heavy weight?

Remember how he beat James Thompson? Look at what happened when Thompson fought Aleksander Emelianenko in PRIDE... owned in less than 30 seconds.

Unless it's a flash knockout, Kimbo simply isn't ready (and likely won't ever be ready) to face someone like Josh Barnett, Fedor, Andrei Arlovski, or any other fighter who is in the top 10 or 15.

even the Thompson fight was BS. Thompson had him down and was beating the shit out of him. the ref should have stopped it.

When Kimbo did hurt him (blew up his caulaflower ear) there was blood but no real reason to stop it. it was BS

nobody is saying Kimbo has not done a great job with what he has been givin. BUT he is not what elitexc makes him out to be. I also don't see him ever getting enough ground game before he tanks.

though i would love to see a freak vx freak. him and lesnar go at it

 

[RagingBITCH]

Originally posted by: Juddog

Originally posted by: mjh
Even in a pure striking match, Kimbo hasn't shown me anything that proves he would be able to KO or TKO a top heavyweight. And regardless how his ground game develops, Fedor would be able to take him down, get an arm, then rip it off.

But thanks for the Friday morning laugh!

Nobody is questioning that in his current state Kimbo would get his ass kicked in a ground game against Fedor.

Right...the name of the sport is MMA, not striking/boxing. Kimbo hasn't fought anyone worth a damn. Tank? Joke. Thompson? He was winning on points before his ear got ruptured. Fighting on the street != fighting in the cage...there's a reason Fedor is considered in the top 5 fighters in the world across any weight class.

 

[mjh]

Regardless of what cans Kimbo fights, I love how Elite XC has been using him for marketing and publicity! It took forever for someone like Liddell to be on ESPN, but Elite XC had Kimbo receiving ESPN publicity wicked fast.

Meh. Lesnar would end a fight fast if he fought Kimbo, as he'd be able to take Kimbo down and lay some vicious ground and pound on him for the whole three minutes the fight would last. I'm not saying Lesnar will end up being one of the best heavyweights ever, but I think he might be able to surprise some people when he fights Couture! Let's just hope he can defend and not get subbed if he puts Couture on his back.

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: mjh
Regardless of what cans Kimbo fights, I love how Elite XC has been using him for marketing and publicity! It took forever for someone like Liddell to be on ESPN, but Elite XC had Kimbo receiving ESPN publicity wicked fast.

Meh. Lesnar would end a fight fast if he fought Kimbo, as he'd be able to take Kimbo down and lay some vicious ground and pound on him for the whole three minutes the fight would last. I'm not saying Lesnar will end up being one of the best heavyweights ever, but I think he might be able to surprise some people when he fights Couture! Let's just hope he can defend and not get subbed if he puts Couture on his back.

i will bet that Lesnar will be champ. not saying he is going to beat randy but there is a damn good chance of it. randy hasen't faught in over a year and is pretty old.

its the same situation. IF randy can survive the onslaught and get lesnar down he should be able to submit.

brock has power, great wrestling background, been working hard on BJJ since the mire fight and a great athlete.

looking foreword to both fights.

 

[QueBert]

Bas said Kimbo will dominate one day, as a long time fan of MMA I would have to take Bas's opinion over ATOT'ers. Bas isn't just helping train Kimbo. he's putting everything behind him. Bas see's potential and his knowledge of fighting + him actually being with Kimbo gives him insight nobody on here can possibly have. From what I understand Kimbo trains his ass off every day.

Kimbo has a long ways to go, but he'll get there.

Bas's Word > shit people on here say lol.

 

[Kirby]

Originally posted by: QueBert
Bas said Kimbo will dominate one day, as a long time fan of MMA I would have to take Bas's opinion over ATOT'ers. Bas isn't just helping train Kimbo. he's putting everything behind him. Bas see's potential and his knowledge of fighting + him actually being with Kimbo gives him insight nobody on here can possibly have. From what I understand Kimbo trains his ass off every day.

Kimbo has a long ways to go, but he'll get there.

Bas's Word > shit people on here say lol.

Would Bas say that he was a mediocre fighter that will probably never get anywhere? Of course Bas is going to say he'll dominate.

 

[ric1287]

Originally posted by: nkgreen

Originally posted by: QueBert
Bas said Kimbo will dominate one day, as a long time fan of MMA I would have to take Bas's opinion over ATOT'ers. Bas isn't just helping train Kimbo. he's putting everything behind him. Bas see's potential and his knowledge of fighting + him actually being with Kimbo gives him insight nobody on here can possibly have. From what I understand Kimbo trains his ass off every day.

Kimbo has a long ways to go, but he'll get there.

Bas's Word > shit people on here say lol.

Would Bas say that he was a mediocre fighter that will probably never get anywhere? Of course Bas is going to say he'll dominate.

Would he train with a guy who he thought wouldn't amount to anything?

 

[Juddog]

Originally posted by: JDMnAR1

Originally posted by: Juddog

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: Juddog

Originally posted by: mjh
I find it laughable people said they want to see Kimbo fight Fedor. Kimbo wouldn't even stand a chance against B-level gatekeepers, let alone one of the best P4P MMA fighters ever! Even I wouldn't want to see Kimbo get fed to someone like Fedor.

Hell, even Elite XC has a few middleweights who would be able to smash Kimbo's face in.

But it's perfect marketing for Elite XC, because they know people are going to tune in to watch the fight, yeah?

Kimbo already has the strength needed to take out someone like Fedor, he just needs to get his ground technique down. In a pure striking match he would CRUSH Fedor.

hahahahah yeah sure he would.

Ok name someone who has beaten Kimbo in striking.

What was that cop's name - Sean Gannon?

The only reason Sean Gannon won was through wrestling, which Kimbo simply did not know how to defend against at the time. Take Kimbo as he is now and he would whoop Sean Gannon's ass.

 

[randay]

Originally posted by: nkgreen

Originally posted by: QueBert
Bas said Kimbo will dominate one day, as a long time fan of MMA I would have to take Bas's opinion over ATOT'ers. Bas isn't just helping train Kimbo. he's putting everything behind him. Bas see's potential and his knowledge of fighting + him actually being with Kimbo gives him insight nobody on here can possibly have. From what I understand Kimbo trains his ass off every day.

Kimbo has a long ways to go, but he'll get there.

Bas's Word > shit people on here say lol.

Would Bas say that he was a mediocre fighter that will probably never get anywhere? Of course Bas is going to say he'll dominate.

bas gotta make moneys some how!

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: QueBert
Bas said Kimbo will dominate one day, as a long time fan of MMA I would have to take Bas's opinion over ATOT'ers. Bas isn't just helping train Kimbo. he's putting everything behind him. Bas see's potential and his knowledge of fighting + him actually being with Kimbo gives him insight nobody on here can possibly have. From what I understand Kimbo trains his ass off every day.

Kimbo has a long ways to go, but he'll get there.

Bas's Word > shit people on here say lol.

uh you do know thats part of his job?


though i do suspect kimbo will dominate EliteXc. I don't ever see him dominating MMA.

 

[mjh]

Originally posted by: randay

Originally posted by: nkgreen

Originally posted by: QueBert
Bas said Kimbo will dominate one day, as a long time fan of MMA I would have to take Bas's opinion over ATOT'ers. Bas isn't just helping train Kimbo. he's putting everything behind him. Bas see's potential and his knowledge of fighting + him actually being with Kimbo gives him insight nobody on here can possibly have. From what I understand Kimbo trains his ass off every day.

Kimbo has a long ways to go, but he'll get there.

Bas's Word > shit people on here say lol.

Would Bas say that he was a mediocre fighter that will probably never get anywhere? Of course Bas is going to say he'll dominate.

bas gotta make moneys some how!

Ditto on Bas wanting to cash in...

I respect and like Bas, and think he is one hell of a trainer, but there is no way he would go and say Kimbo is just a farce who will never amount to anything.

I'm not saying Kimbo won't be a better fighter in the future; I am hesitant to jump on the bandwagon just because he has some fights over people who simply don't matter any more. I'm happy to hear he's going into the gym and training hard every day. That's great. And hopefully he'll be able to take a real fight in a couple of fights, then we'll see what happens...

 

[Juddog]

Originally posted by: QueBert
Bas said Kimbo will dominate one day, as a long time fan of MMA I would have to take Bas's opinion over ATOT'ers. Bas isn't just helping train Kimbo. he's putting everything behind him. Bas see's potential and his knowledge of fighting + him actually being with Kimbo gives him insight nobody on here can possibly have. From what I understand Kimbo trains his ass off every day.

Kimbo has a long ways to go, but he'll get there.

Bas's Word > shit people on here say lol.

I agree, Bas was the top fighter of his time, and his fighting studio created along with Randy Couture means that Kimbo has some serious veterans to help him work on his weak spots.

 

[QueBert]

Originally posted by: nkgreen

Originally posted by: QueBert
Bas said Kimbo will dominate one day, as a long time fan of MMA I would have to take Bas's opinion over ATOT'ers. Bas isn't just helping train Kimbo. he's putting everything behind him. Bas see's potential and his knowledge of fighting + him actually being with Kimbo gives him insight nobody on here can possibly have. From what I understand Kimbo trains his ass off every day.

Kimbo has a long ways to go, but he'll get there.

Bas's Word > shit people on here say lol.

Would Bas say that he was a mediocre fighter that will probably never get anywhere? Of course Bas is going to say he'll dominate.

Kimbo will probably never be in the UFC, EXC or even any other org he might be in, even #2 is light years behind UFC in terms of popularity and draw. Bas isn't training Kimbo to try and cash in, that's DUMB. If Bas wanted to cash in he would find a younger, UFC bound dude. Bas is a stand up guy and when he comments on Kimbo I gotta believe him. Bas has never came across as the type who was in MMA for the money.

Like I said he spends a lot of time with Kimbo, something nobody here has. We can at best guess what we THINK Kimbo will turn in to. Bas is guessing too, but his guess is much more educated. He doesn't speak much about how great Kimbo will be, but I constantly hear him commenting on how dedicated Kimbo is to training, and now Kimbo trains harder than anyone he's seen. I think that show of dedication is probably what attracted Bas to helping Kimbo train.

 

[Juddog]

Originally posted by: QueBert

Originally posted by: nkgreen

Originally posted by: QueBert
Bas said Kimbo will dominate one day, as a long time fan of MMA I would have to take Bas's opinion over ATOT'ers. Bas isn't just helping train Kimbo. he's putting everything behind him. Bas see's potential and his knowledge of fighting + him actually being with Kimbo gives him insight nobody on here can possibly have. From what I understand Kimbo trains his ass off every day.

Kimbo has a long ways to go, but he'll get there.

Bas's Word > shit people on here say lol.

Would Bas say that he was a mediocre fighter that will probably never get anywhere? Of course Bas is going to say he'll dominate.

Kimbo will probably never be in the UFC, EXC or even any other org he might be in, even #2 is light years behind UFC in terms of popularity and draw. Bas isn't training Kimbo to try and cash in, that's DUMB. If Bas wanted to cash in he would find a younger, UFC bound dude. Bas is a stand up guy and when he comments on Kimbo I gotta believe him. Bas has never came across as the type who was in MMA for the money.

Like I said he spends a lot of time with Kimbo, something nobody here has. We can at best guess what we THINK Kimbo will turn in to. Bas is guessing too, but his guess is much more educated. He doesn't speak much about how great Kimbo will be, but I constantly hear him commenting on how dedicated Kimbo is to training, and now Kimbo trains harder than anyone he's seen. I think that show of dedication is probably what attracted Bas to helping Kimbo train.

Exactly - Kimbo is hungry. He had to fight tooth and nail for every single thing he has, and that hunger gives him more motivation than most of the MMA fighters right now.

 

[WaTaGuMp]

Originally posted by: Juddog

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: Juddog

Originally posted by: mjh
I find it laughable people said they want to see Kimbo fight Fedor. Kimbo wouldn't even stand a chance against B-level gatekeepers, let alone one of the best P4P MMA fighters ever! Even I wouldn't want to see Kimbo get fed to someone like Fedor.

Hell, even Elite XC has a few middleweights who would be able to smash Kimbo's face in.

But it's perfect marketing for Elite XC, because they know people are going to tune in to watch the fight, yeah?

Kimbo already has the strength needed to take out someone like Fedor, he just needs to get his ground technique down. In a pure striking match he would CRUSH Fedor.

hahahahah yeah sure he would.

Ok name someone who has beaten Kimbo in striking.

Fedor kicks Kimbo in the head, have a nice day.

 

[randay]

Originally posted by: WaTaGuMp

Originally posted by: Juddog

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: Juddog

Originally posted by: mjh
I find it laughable people said they want to see Kimbo fight Fedor. Kimbo wouldn't even stand a chance against B-level gatekeepers, let alone one of the best P4P MMA fighters ever! Even I wouldn't want to see Kimbo get fed to someone like Fedor.

Hell, even Elite XC has a few middleweights who would be able to smash Kimbo's face in.

But it's perfect marketing for Elite XC, because they know people are going to tune in to watch the fight, yeah?

Kimbo already has the strength needed to take out someone like Fedor, he just needs to get his ground technique down. In a pure striking match he would CRUSH Fedor.

hahahahah yeah sure he would.

Ok name someone who has beaten Kimbo in striking.

Fedor kicks Kimbo in the head, have a nice day.

he said striking, not kicking, come on now, noone beats kimbo, kimbo is god, bas ruten said so.

/kimbogoggles

 

[amish]

Originally posted by: Juddog

Originally posted by: JDMnAR1

Originally posted by: Juddog

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: Juddog

Originally posted by: mjh
I find it laughable people said they want to see Kimbo fight Fedor. Kimbo wouldn't even stand a chance against B-level gatekeepers, let alone one of the best P4P MMA fighters ever! Even I wouldn't want to see Kimbo get fed to someone like Fedor.

Hell, even Elite XC has a few middleweights who would be able to smash Kimbo's face in.

But it's perfect marketing for Elite XC, because they know people are going to tune in to watch the fight, yeah?

Kimbo already has the strength needed to take out someone like Fedor, he just needs to get his ground technique down. In a pure striking match he would CRUSH Fedor.

hahahahah yeah sure he would.

Ok name someone who has beaten Kimbo in striking.

What was that cop's name - Sean Gannon?

The only reason Sean Gannon won was through wrestling, which Kimbo simply did not know how to defend against at the time. Take Kimbo as he is now and he would whoop Sean Gannon's ass.

oh bullshit. we all saw the video. it was just a slug fest. douchebags yelling "no knees" "no elbows" "get them off the ground" and then my favorite "get up kimbo!"

if any real wrestling would have gone on during that brawl it would have been over sooner.

 

[Juddog]

Originally posted by: randay

Originally posted by: WaTaGuMp

Originally posted by: Juddog

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: Juddog

Originally posted by: mjh
I find it laughable people said they want to see Kimbo fight Fedor. Kimbo wouldn't even stand a chance against B-level gatekeepers, let alone one of the best P4P MMA fighters ever! Even I wouldn't want to see Kimbo get fed to someone like Fedor.

Hell, even Elite XC has a few middleweights who would be able to smash Kimbo's face in.

But it's perfect marketing for Elite XC, because they know people are going to tune in to watch the fight, yeah?

Kimbo already has the strength needed to take out someone like Fedor, he just needs to get his ground technique down. In a pure striking match he would CRUSH Fedor.

hahahahah yeah sure he would.

Ok name someone who has beaten Kimbo in striking.

Fedor kicks Kimbo in the head, have a nice day.

he said striking, not kicking, come on now, noone beats kimbo, kimbo is god, bas ruten said so.

/kimbogoggles

I'm not saying Kimbo is god or anything like that, I just get tired of people constantly dismissing him. When he was going to go up against Tank Abbott, people were talking about Kimbo was going to get destroyed, etc.(well not so much in this forum, but in others), then he won and all of a sudden Tank Abbott is a washed up loser. Then when he ruptured Thompson's ear, it was obvious Thompson couldn't continue fighting but everybody was saying he should have lost.

Besides, someone has to root for the underdog.

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: Juddog
I'm not saying Kimbo is god or anything like that, I just get tired of people constantly dismissing him. When he was going to go up against Tank Abbott, people were talking about Kimbo was going to get destroyed, etc.(well not so much in this forum, but in others), then he won and all of a sudden Tank Abbott is a washed up loser. Then when he ruptured Thompson's ear, it was obvious Thompson couldn't continue fighting but everybody was saying he should have lost.

Besides, someone has to root for the underdog.

actually thompson could have have continued. that blood was nothing. it was not in his face or eyes. So yes he could have continued.

 

[randay]

Originally posted by: Juddog

Originally posted by: randay

Originally posted by: WaTaGuMp

Originally posted by: Juddog

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: Juddog

Originally posted by: mjh
I find it laughable people said they want to see Kimbo fight Fedor. Kimbo wouldn't even stand a chance against B-level gatekeepers, let alone one of the best P4P MMA fighters ever! Even I wouldn't want to see Kimbo get fed to someone like Fedor.

Hell, even Elite XC has a few middleweights who would be able to smash Kimbo's face in.

But it's perfect marketing for Elite XC, because they know people are going to tune in to watch the fight, yeah?

Kimbo already has the strength needed to take out someone like Fedor, he just needs to get his ground technique down. In a pure striking match he would CRUSH Fedor.

hahahahah yeah sure he would.

Ok name someone who has beaten Kimbo in striking.

Fedor kicks Kimbo in the head, have a nice day.

he said striking, not kicking, come on now, noone beats kimbo, kimbo is god, bas ruten said so.

/kimbogoggles

I'm not saying Kimbo is god or anything like that, I just get tired of people constantly dismissing him. When he was going to go up against Tank Abbott, people were talking about Kimbo was going to get destroyed, etc., then he won and all of a sudden Tank Abbott is a washed up loser. Then when he ruptured Thompson's ear, it was obvious Thompson couldn't continue fighting but everybody was saying he should have lost.

Besides, someone has to root for the underdog.

thats because kimbo should have lost before the ear was popped. the ref gave kimbo a lot of leeway, but gave thompson none. well that really doesnt have anything to do with kimbos ability, but it does say something about elitejokec. oh getting pummeled? cant defend yourself? fight on! oops you're bleeding, sorry, you lose!

 

[Juddog]

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: Juddog
I'm not saying Kimbo is god or anything like that, I just get tired of people constantly dismissing him. When he was going to go up against Tank Abbott, people were talking about Kimbo was going to get destroyed, etc.(well not so much in this forum, but in others), then he won and all of a sudden Tank Abbott is a washed up loser. Then when he ruptured Thompson's ear, it was obvious Thompson couldn't continue fighting but everybody was saying he should have lost.

Besides, someone has to root for the underdog.

actually thompson could have have continued. that blood was nothing. it was not in his face or eyes. So yes he could have continued.

Ok so what would have happened if Kimbo popped that ear again and all of a sudden the blood started gushing out? You would rather risk the fighter's life than stop the match?

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: Juddog

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: Juddog
I'm not saying Kimbo is god or anything like that, I just get tired of people constantly dismissing him. When he was going to go up against Tank Abbott, people were talking about Kimbo was going to get destroyed, etc.(well not so much in this forum, but in others), then he won and all of a sudden Tank Abbott is a washed up loser. Then when he ruptured Thompson's ear, it was obvious Thompson couldn't continue fighting but everybody was saying he should have lost.

Besides, someone has to root for the underdog.

actually thompson could have have continued. that blood was nothing. it was not in his face or eyes. So yes he could have continued.

Ok so what would have happened if Kimbo popped that ear again and all of a sudden the blood started gushing out? You would rather risk the fighter's life than stop the match?

there was no way it was to the point. there have been many other fights where one person was bleeding far worse.

 

[wheresmybacon]

Originally posted by: Juddog

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: Juddog

Originally posted by: mjh
I find it laughable people said they want to see Kimbo fight Fedor. Kimbo wouldn't even stand a chance against B-level gatekeepers, let alone one of the best P4P MMA fighters ever! Even I wouldn't want to see Kimbo get fed to someone like Fedor.

Hell, even Elite XC has a few middleweights who would be able to smash Kimbo's face in.

But it's perfect marketing for Elite XC, because they know people are going to tune in to watch the fight, yeah?

Kimbo already has the strength needed to take out someone like Fedor, he just needs to get his ground technique down. In a pure striking match he would CRUSH Fedor.

hahahahah yeah sure he would.

Ok name someone who has beaten Kimbo in striking.

Kimbo has fought NO ONE. Stiffs, geriatrics, retards. None of those guys would even get a match as fodder for an up and comer in the UFC.

 

[QueBert]

Thompson beat Don Frye in Pride. I don't care if Frye is old and not the fighter he use to be, he's NEVER an easy opponent. People seem to forget before Thompsons loosing streak he had fought some awesome dudes in pride and even beat some. a NO ONE has never beaten Don Frye and never will.

Kimbo has a few fights under his belt, an over the hill Abbott is still a better fighter than some new unknown. The unknown might not have anything, Abbott has KO power and tested Kimbo's chin with a few shots. Kimbo will work his way up to fighting better people. It's not his fault EXC has thrust him in the spotlight so fast. He shouldn't be a main eventer and he shouldn't be fighting top level competition *yet* maybe he'll prove himself, maybe he won't...

As for the suspect stop of the Thompson fight, fights that were far more bloody has gone on much longer. But, this was the first prime time nationally televised event. I'm sure both CBS & EXC wanted to be extra careful to not have too much blood be shown.