Kenny Rogers Cheating?

[WT]

It doesn't just come off with soap and water.

Sooo, you're saying he had sandpaper as well ???

I hope we have a Joe Neikro:emory file episode out of this World Series. :thumbsup:

 

[jlbenedict]

Originally posted by: WT

It doesn't just come off with soap and water.

Sooo, you're saying he had sandpaper as well ???

I hope we have a Joe Neikro:emory file episode out of this World Series. :thumbsup:

Maybe it was Lava soap & water

 

[Scarpozzi]

Originally posted by: dxkj

Originally posted by: PC Surgeon
Personally, I think it WAS pine tar.

I heard there were some UFO sightings after the game as well, maybe you should drive over there?

You wouldn't be making such stupid jokes if you had seen this picture.
Link

 

[NoStateofMind]

Originally posted by: Scarpozzi

Originally posted by: dxkj

Originally posted by: PC Surgeon
Personally, I think it WAS pine tar.

I heard there were some UFO sightings after the game as well, maybe you should drive over there?

You wouldn't be making such stupid jokes if you had seen this picture.
Link

ROFL!

 

[LanceM]

Originally posted by: snoopdoug1

Originally posted by: LanceM
1) It was just dirt.

2) He pitched better after it was removed.

3) If you want to talk about cheating, let's look at Pujols and his medicine cabinet.

You're kidding right? Pujols has said himself if they want to follow him around and test him before every game they can.

A line like that is bull, because the the union will never, ever allow that to happen. In fact, Bonds said the same thing.

EDIT:
From http://www.legalzoom.com/articles/article_content/article13642.html

Bonds himself has said, "They can test me every day if they choose to."

 

[Coquito]

Infield dirt is brown.

 

[Fausto]

If he was going to use tar, he'd certainly have put it somewhere a little less obvious.

 

[FoBoT]

is it true that Kenny R. was alien abducted last week? maybe he has a probe implanted or something

 

[torpid]

So what medicine are you supposing pujols takes to have some of the best hands for a hitter in baseball? Yeah he's good at home runs, but he's also got great eyes and hands. Not sure what medicines would give that.

 

[Fausto]

Originally posted by: torpid
So what medicine are you supposing pujols takes to have some of the best hands for a hitter in baseball? Yeah he's good at home runs, but he's also got great eyes and hands. Not sure what medicines would give that.

Way to completely miss the point.

 

[torpid]

Originally posted by: Fausto

Originally posted by: torpid
So what medicine are you supposing pujols takes to have some of the best hands for a hitter in baseball? Yeah he's good at home runs, but he's also got great eyes and hands. Not sure what medicines would give that.

Way to completely miss the point.

Which is what exactly? That Pujols is on steroids? Seems unlikely unless he started taking them BEFORE his rookie year.

 

[slayer202]

Originally posted by: torpid

Originally posted by: Fausto

Originally posted by: torpid
So what medicine are you supposing pujols takes to have some of the best hands for a hitter in baseball? Yeah he's good at home runs, but he's also got great eyes and hands. Not sure what medicines would give that.

Way to completely miss the point.

Which is what exactly? That Pujols is on steroids? Seems unlikely unless he started taking them BEFORE his rookie year.

while I agree that he is probably clean, that is a terrible arguement. lots of high schoolers are on roids...

 

[miniMUNCH]

I fvkcing hate ESPN's journalism...

They blow everything completely out of proportion...just fvcking report the scores, offer some analysis of the performance and upcoming games, etc. and stop trying to turn the hockey season into "the OC" on ice, the football season into "The TO beatdown show", and so forth.

So he had a dab/patch of something on his left hand below the thumb...whatever...he took it off after the first inning and actually pitched better the next several innings.

Same thing with ESPN reporting on Shawn Merriman's steriods suspension...he got suspended, end of story... ESPN doesn't even know the substance (just that it was "a real steriod"). But they can't stop there...they have to blow it up to a full blown commentary on the effect it will have on his career. Earth to ESPN...most every football player in the NFL has taken steriods at some point in their career. After his suspension is over, other players won't care... they all know how easy the tests are to beat and how flimsy the testing regimen truly is.

Oh, and ESPN... the part about how Merriman's positive test will take him out of the running for a place amongst NFL history's great LB with the likes of LT or Ray Lewis...man, that was just classic. Yeah, Shawn.... dude, you got kill somebody or do enough coke to kill a horse to make that list.

 

[Cal166]

Here's a better picture: http://msn.foxsports.com/id/6089496_36_2.jpg

If it was dirt, it would had washed off easily...

 

[torpid]

Originally posted by: slayer202

Originally posted by: torpid
Which is what exactly? That Pujols is on steroids? Seems unlikely unless he started taking them BEFORE his rookie year.

while I agree that he is probably clean, that is a terrible arguement. lots of high schoolers are on roids...

I never said it was proof or anything, just that he's been consistent throughout his minor and major league career, which many or most people who are now known to be on steroids were not. So there's no real reason to assume he's on steroids unless being good implies being on steroids.

 

[atybimf]

I'm a Cards fan and I was kinda angry he wasn't even checked!

 

[sao123]

maybe he had to take a crap and the stall ran out of toilet paper...

no-one knows what it was... but everyones so positive he was cheating.
BS

 

[alien42]

it appears he was cheating but it is the opposing managers responsibility to ask that he be checked by an ump. apparently larussa did not ask.

 

[brikis98]

most pitchers in the mlb are obsessed with the condition of their pitching hand. they are meticulous with cutting their nails, keeping the hand clean, taking care of the skin, etc. so, it may or may not have been dirt on his hand, but i find it almost impossible to believe that he wouldn't have noticed it. however, it did seem like he washed whatever it was away, so i doubt it was the deciding factor in the clinic he put out there last night.

sadly, if he was using pine tar or some other illegal substance, he's definitely not the first and not the last pitcher to do so. there's tons of stories of pitchers hiding various substances in their belts, hats, gloves, etc and applying them to the ball during the game. i wish the umpire would be required to inspect each pitchers hands before/after an inning, at least a few times a game, to eliminate this cheating.

as for the pujols debate... i DOUBT that he's on steroids, but it's definitely possible. he certainly seems significantly bigger and stronger each year - could be from better exercise/diet, but who knows.

and as for the argument that steroids are irrelevant because he has such "good hands" and what not is not a valid argument. if you have faster bat speed because your muscles are juiced... you have more time to look at a pitch before you have to swing... so you can judge it much better and adjust accordingly. moreover, i've heard some steroids can actually improve your vision, giving you even more time to recognize and react to a pitch.

 

[iamme]

Originally posted by: alien42
it appears he was cheating but it is the opposing managers responsibility to ask that he be checked by an ump. apparently larussa did not ask.

what i was wondering is:

a). is pine tarring so prevalent that the La Russa knew his pitchers were doing the same? therefore, by calling out Rogers, he'd be screwing his own pitchers as well?

b). did the friendship between La Russa and Leyland have anything to do with La Russa not making a bigger deal of it?

 

[Cuhulainn]

Originally posted by: alien42
it appears he was cheating but it is the opposing managers responsibility to ask that he be checked by an ump. apparently larussa did not ask.

Is that in the rules? I am under the impression that if the umpires noticed, or suspected for any reason that there was a foreign substance on a pitcher's hand, that it would be their responsibility to check. Certainly it seems unethical to tell him to wash off his hands without checking what was on them first. And if the Cardinals or LaRussa never asked the umps, why even talk to Rogers about it at all? There is a lot about this story that makes no sense.

He was cheating, or the umpires are lying, or maybe Rogers has the most selective memory on earth. The umps say they told him to wash it off, he said nobody ever told him, he just noticed it and washed it off. that's some stinky BS.

 

[Cuhulainn]

Originally posted by: iamme

Originally posted by: alien42
it appears he was cheating but it is the opposing managers responsibility to ask that he be checked by an ump. apparently larussa did not ask.

what i was wondering is:

a). is pine tarring so prevalent that the La Russa knew his pitchers were doing the same? therefore, by calling out Rogers, he'd be screwing his own pitchers as well?

b). did the friendship between La Russa and Leyland have anything to do with La Russa not making a bigger deal of it?

Yeah, I'd say that both of those are possible explanations for LaRussa's underwhelming reaction to a player suspected of breaking the rules. He's generally a real stickler. I hope that neither of those are the reason, and based on his history, neither really sound right, but I can't figure out why else it might have been.

 

[CollectiveUnconscious]

Should he have been checked? Yes. It doesn't matter if he knew the substance was there or not, if it wasn't dirt, he should be tossed and suspended. Those are the rules.
Did Rogers pitch an amazing game? Yes. I knew my Cards weren't going to win last night, but I didn't think it would be that bad. Simply an amazing show. Don't let this "cheating speculation" ruin the WS.
Game over. Move on.

 

[torpid]

When I first saw it, it looked like iodine to me. But that would be kind of a wacky thing to have on your thumb.

Interesting that people think pujols looks more muscular. I have been thinking how he looks kind of fat and out of shape. He and Belliard should be the new "Pudges".

 

[Hammerhead]

He gave someone a dirty sanchez in the locker room.