Kenny Rogers Cheating?

[Gunslinger08]

Originally posted by: PC Surgeon

Originally posted by: joshsquall

Originally posted by: PC Surgeon
I just saw on ESPN that Kenny Rogers had some kind of "substance" on his pitching hand. People speculate it may be pine tar for better grip. Kenny said "it was just dirt".

Personally, I think it WAS pine tar.

Thought?

Are you a Cards fan? I didn't realize we had any at JMU.

Shoosh, you are from JMU? Haven't met anyone in AnandTech from around here. No, I am not a cards fan (Good friend of mine is), I'm a braves fan Terrible year!

It could be worse. I'm an Orioles fan.

 

[engineereeyore]

Originally posted by: BlinderBomber

Originally posted by: engineereeyore
Well, I'll say this. If the brown stuff was dirt, then he had to have something else under it because I've never seen dirt stick to someones hand like that, especially not someone who moves a baseball all around with their hand while they're holding it. That dirt would have come off pretty dang quick if there was nothing else to it.

He's full of crap. It may not have been Tar, but it sure wasn't dirt.

Dirt + resin, which is legal MLB I believe, is a more likely explaination than pine tar.

Either way, he gave up one hit in the first, washed his hand, and then dominated the Cardinals for seven more innings.

Then why not say that? Anyone with any intelligence is going to know that couldn't have simply been dirt. Why not just say, "Oh, I had whatever on my hand and just got a little dirt on it."?

I don't think that's the reason he pitched so well, and it obviously didn't have anything to do with him pitching great for the next seven innings, but why not just say something? We all know he's not the sharpest tool in the shed, but if you're not even guilty, why make yourself look guilty?

 

[snoopdoug1]

Originally posted by: sygyzy

Originally posted by: Slick5150
Considering it was washed off before the 2nd inning, and he went on to pitch 7 more shutout innings, I'd say regardless of what it was, it didn't matter.

How is this relevant? Maybe he's just a poor cheater? If you were a teacher and a student cheated on a test and scored a 80% then later scored a 85% while not cheating, would you let him go for the first offense? I mean, if you improve, it couldn't be cheating right?

What about corked bats? People hit home runs with legal bats all the time, so therefore, corking your bat is legal?

QFT

 

[LTC8K6]

Pine sap is very sticky and nearly clear in a thin layer.

Unless you accidentally get dirt on it....

 

[iamwiz82]

If the team wasn't up in arms, and the coach wasn't up in arms, and the MLB isn't up in arms, and umpires aren't up in arms, why are a bunch of geeks on the internet up in arms?

 

[engineereeyore]

Originally posted by: iamwiz82
If the team wasn't up in arms, and the coach wasn't up in arms, and the MLB isn't up in arms, and umpires aren't up in arms, why are a bunch of geeks on the internet up in arms?

Because we have nothing better to do.

 

[Al Neri]

Originally posted by: Slick5150
Considering it was washed off before the 2nd inning, and he went on to pitch 7 more shutout innings, I'd say regardless of what it was, it didn't matter.

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ATOT nerds who didn't watch the game have no purpose posting here

 

[Shooks]

Originally posted by: iamwiz82
If the team wasn't up in arms, and the coach wasn't up in arms, and the MLB isn't up in arms, and umpires aren't up in arms, why are a bunch of geeks on the internet up in arms?

nice :thumbsup:

 

[iamme]

Originally posted by: iamwiz82
If the team wasn't up in arms, and the coach wasn't up in arms, and the MLB isn't up in arms, and umpires aren't up in arms, why are a bunch of geeks on the internet up in arms?

i demand we check these internet geeks' arms for foreign substances.

 

[Squisher]

I think the buildings were brought down by controlled munitions.

 

[Golgatha]

Originally posted by: PC Surgeon

Originally posted by: Scarpozzi

Originally posted by: dxkj

Originally posted by: PC Surgeon
Personally, I think it WAS pine tar.

I heard there were some UFO sightings after the game as well, maybe you should drive over there?

You wouldn't be making such stupid jokes if you had seen this picture.
Link

ROFL!

ROFL in my cube at work. I'm tearing up I laughed so hard!

 

[eits]

Originally posted by: PC Surgeon

Originally posted by: Juno
picture of kenny rogers' pitching arm

see the brown spots on kenny rogers' hand. he is obviously cheating.

Looks more like pine tar than it does dirt to me.

yup

 

[eits]

Originally posted by: Adaman
I don't like baseball but i thought it was odd when he said he didn't notice it...seems like a pitcher would almost have to notice something like that.

exactly. he was like, "it was a clump of dirt... i didn't even notice it. the other guys noticed it." shens like crazy. in a sport where you use your hand to make a living, you know EVERYTHING that's going on with it.

 

[Squisher]

Originally posted by: eits

Originally posted by: Adaman
I don't like baseball but i thought it was odd when he said he didn't notice it...seems like a pitcher would almost have to notice something like that.

exactly. he was like, "it was a clump of dirt... i didn't even notice it. the other guys noticed it." shens like crazy. in a sport where you use your hand to make a living, you know EVERYTHING that's going on with it.

How much you want to bet he paints the spot with iodine just to get inside of the Cardinals' minds for game 6.

 

[eits]

Originally posted by: Squisher

Originally posted by: eits

Originally posted by: Adaman
I don't like baseball but i thought it was odd when he said he didn't notice it...seems like a pitcher would almost have to notice something like that.

exactly. he was like, "it was a clump of dirt... i didn't even notice it. the other guys noticed it." shens like crazy. in a sport where you use your hand to make a living, you know EVERYTHING that's going on with it.

How much you want to bet he paints the spot with iodine just to get inside of the Cardinals' minds for game 6.

hehe that'd be funny if he tried... there won't be a game 6, though... it'll end in game 5 with the cards winning.

 

[ElFenix]

molina getting his nuts crushed was more interesting than the non-event that was the stuff on rogers' hand.

 

[Squisher]

Originally posted by: eits

Originally posted by: Squisher

Originally posted by: eits

Originally posted by: Adaman
I don't like baseball but i thought it was odd when he said he didn't notice it...seems like a pitcher would almost have to notice something like that.

exactly. he was like, "it was a clump of dirt... i didn't even notice it. the other guys noticed it." shens like crazy. in a sport where you use your hand to make a living, you know EVERYTHING that's going on with it.

How much you want to bet he paints the spot with iodine just to get inside of the Cardinals' minds for game 6.

hehe that'd be funny if he tried... there won't be a game 6, though... it'll end in game 5 with the cards winning.

I agree it'll end in five, but I think Tiger's bats are starting to wake up and that could be trouble for St. Louie. No real hitting in game one, lots of men left on base in game two, in game three they just might start to put it all together.

 

[cubby1223]

Originally posted by: torpid

Originally posted by: cubby1223

Originally posted by: torpid
So what medicine are you supposing pujols takes to have some of the best hands for a hitter in baseball? Yeah he's good at home runs, but he's also got great eyes and hands. Not sure what medicines would give that.

Never heard of HGH, which is still not tested for in baseball? Not saying Pujols is on it or nothing, but that's the kind of stuff that improves eyesight and other things.

Can it be tested for at all? I thought the whole thing about HGH was that you can't test for it. Anyway I didn't realize we are in an era of mccarthyism in baseball. Guilty until proven innocent... nice.

HGH can be tested through a urine test, but the players union will not allow urine tests. I think there's an issue too that the current testing materials are difficult to manufacture and there's not enough to go around if baseball wanted to test or not.

And it's not quite McCarthyism. Difference is, people are only suspecting players of steroid and other drug use without any proof. Back under McCarthyism, people were being convicted without any proof.

It's a shame that any of this happens, but if it weren't for the suspicions, baseball was never going to do anything against steroid use, something that should have been done in the mid-90's. What can anyone say now?

 

[meltdown75]

Originally posted by: ElFenix
molina getting his nuts crushed was more interesting than the non-event that was the stuff on rogers' hand.

QFT

 

[cubby1223]

Originally posted by: iamwiz82
If the team wasn't up in arms, and the coach wasn't up in arms, and the MLB isn't up in arms, and umpires aren't up in arms, why are a bunch of geeks on the internet up in arms?

LaRussa is probably going to be up in arms I suspect, and especially if they lose the series. But for now I think he can't let his team start believing they were cheated out of a victory, and possibly degrade their play the rest of the series because of it. Happened to the Angels last year after the umps blew a couple crucial calls.

MLB isn't up in arms because they are clueless. They want anything negative concerning the game swept under the rug as if it never happened.

The umpires aren't up in arms because if they were after the game, then they'd be admitting they made a mistake in officiating. Not gonna happen.

 

[bigdog1218]

Like it matters if he's cheating, he's going to walk in the winning run that gives St. Louis the championship.

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: sygyzy

Originally posted by: Slick5150
Considering it was washed off before the 2nd inning, and he went on to pitch 7 more shutout innings, I'd say regardless of what it was, it didn't matter.

How is this relevant? Maybe he's just a poor cheater? If you were a teacher and a student cheated on a test and scored a 80% then later scored a 85% while not cheating, would you let him go for the first offense? I mean, if you improve, it couldn't be cheating right?

What about corked bats? People hit home runs with legal bats all the time, so therefore, corking your bat is legal?

it's relevant because it shows that whatever was on his hand wasn't on the ball, or if it was on the ball it was something legal and usual in the game.

 

[aceO07]

I don't think it's dirt for a few reasons..
1. It sure doesn't look like dirt. If it was it'd be some really nasty dirt that he should have been aware of and washed off immediately.
2. He's a pitcher, his arm and hands are valuable to him and he should be fully aware of what's on them. Why would he start pitching with crap on his hand??
3. It's shown up on his hand during MULTI games. Yes, why would he not know there's crap/dirt on his hands for more than one game.

Reference for pictures of his hand during other game: http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/playoffs2006/news/story?id=2635538

 

[cubby1223]

The rules state that a pitcher cannot "apply a foreign substance of any kind to the ball;" That does not say he cannot use a foreign substance to get a better grip on the ball, as long as the substance stays on the hand and not the ball.

Then a bit further down in the rulebook, after the part that says, "The pitcher shall be ejected immediately from the game and shall be suspended automatically for 10 games," the rules continue on to state "The umpire shall be sole judge on whether any portion of this rule has been violated... in the judgment of the umpire, the pitcher did not intend, by his act, to alter the characteristics of a pitched ball, then the umpire may, in his discretion, warn the pitcher in lieu of applying the penalty set forth." ("characteristics of a pitched ball" meaning what the ball does after it leaves the pitcher's hand)

Sounds to me like the situation might have actually been handled properly by the umpires, and the game was played out like it was supposed to be - i.e. the umpire wasn't positive what the substance was, so he warned the pitcher and had him remove it before pitching again.

 

[Al Neri]

Originally posted by: bigdog1218
Like it matters if he's cheating, he's going to walk in the winning run that gives St. Louis the championship.

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