Kenny Rogers Cheating?

[mpitts]

100th post = verdict

NOT GUILTY

 

[NTB]

d@mn right he was cheating!

/life-long cards fan

Nate

 

[MrDingleDangle]

Originally posted by: Don Rodriguez

Originally posted by: bigdog1218
Like it matters if he's cheating, he's going to walk in the winning run that gives St. Louis the championship.

ARGHH BAD MEMORIES!

thats what i was going to say....why the hell didnt he have pinetar on his hand back in '99??? i hate him even more now....what the Mets aren't good enough to cheat for, but the Tigers are.

 

[mugs]

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/multim...rogers/content.1.html?eref=google_phpm

If you look at the last few pictures from other games, he has the same substance on his hand. HIGHLY unlikely that it's dirt.

To answer iamwiz's question - the league turns a blind eye because it looks bad for the league when players are cheating. If it was caught later in the game, I think the Cardinals would be making a lot more noise about it.

 

[NoStateofMind]

From one of the links that were posted:

"Pine tar, I'm told, can give the ball more rotation. It's useless for the fastball, but with the breaking pitches it can help with the movement and spin."
-- former Cy Young winner Rick Sutcliffe

 

[sao123]

Originally posted by: PC Surgeon
From one of the links that were posted:

"Pine tar, I'm told, can give the ball more rotation. It's useless for the fastball, but with the breaking pitches it can help with the movement and spin."
-- former Cy Young winner Rick Sutcliffe

Pine Tar... is useless unless its on the fingers... havine pine tar on the palm of his hand would be completely worthless.

 

[iamme]

what i'm hearing from reports is that this is an issue of the "baseball code". former pitchers and players (i don't have the names off the top of my head) insinuate that a good percentage of pitchers use or have used pine tar, especially in cold weather. the pine tar gives the pitcher better grip when the air is cold and the ball is slippery.

what i'm taking from all this is that La Russa probably knew that Rogers was using pine tar, but also knew his pitchers might be doing the same.....not to mention it being common place in baseball. rather than asking the umpires to toss Rogers, he basically said to tone it down. by making a big fuss, he would be breaking the "baseball code" and he'd be opening up a can of worms onto his own pitchers. afterall, didn't he manage the team that had a juiced up McGuire? factor in his relationship w/ Leyland and i think it makes sense that he knew, but wanted to keep things on the down low. i'm not absolving Rogers, but in the greater context of baseball, where cheating is prevalent, it makes sense to me.

 

[getbush]

He also begins every pitching motion by moving his throwing arm back, and to the left, back, and to the left, back, and to the left, back, and to the left, back, and to the left. I find that highly suspect.

 

[SonnyDaze]

Originally posted by: probzy
the Kenny Rogers with beard?

Yeah I was thinking "WTF!! Lucille is gonna be pissed about this.....:Q

 

[Glayde]

Originally posted by: sao123

Originally posted by: PC Surgeon
From one of the links that were posted:

"Pine tar, I'm told, can give the ball more rotation. It's useless for the fastball, but with the breaking pitches it can help with the movement and spin."
-- former Cy Young winner Rick Sutcliffe

Pine Tar... is useless unless its on the fingers... havine pine tar on the palm of his hand would be completely worthless.

But the thing is where it is, take your hand and rub the part of your palm under your thumb, with your fingers. That's a perfect spot to apply it to your fingertips.

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: Glayde

Originally posted by: sao123

Originally posted by: PC Surgeon
From one of the links that were posted:

"Pine tar, I'm told, can give the ball more rotation. It's useless for the fastball, but with the breaking pitches it can help with the movement and spin."
-- former Cy Young winner Rick Sutcliffe

Pine Tar... is useless unless its on the fingers... havine pine tar on the palm of his hand would be completely worthless.

But the thing is where it is, take your hand and rub the part of your palm under your thumb, with your fingers. That's a perfect spot to apply it to your fingertips.

Yes, exactly.

 

[Alex]

there's actually a great article by Dan Wetzel on Yahoo Sports about this... http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=dw-rogers102206&prov=yhoo&type=lgns (sorry using quick reply)

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: MrDingleDangle

Originally posted by: Don Rodriguez

Originally posted by: bigdog1218
Like it matters if he's cheating, he's going to walk in the winning run that gives St. Louis the championship.

ARGHH BAD MEMORIES!

thats what i was going to say....why the hell didnt he have pinetar on his hand back in '99??? i hate him even more now....what the Mets aren't good enough to cheat for, but the Tigers are.

Rofl!

 

[JujuFish]

Originally posted by: mpitts
100th post = verdict

NOT GUILTY

"ARGHH BAD MEMORIES!" = not guilty?

 

[isasir]

Originally posted by: MrDingleDangle

Originally posted by: Don Rodriguez

Originally posted by: bigdog1218
Like it matters if he's cheating, he's going to walk in the winning run that gives St. Louis the championship.

ARGHH BAD MEMORIES!

thats what i was going to say....why the hell didnt he have pinetar on his hand back in '99??? i hate him even more now....what the Mets aren't good enough to cheat for, but the Tigers are.

LOL

 

[torpid]

Originally posted by: cubby1223And it's not quite McCarthyism. Difference is, people are only suspecting players of steroid and other drug use without any proof. Back under McCarthyism, people were being convicted without any proof.

It's a shame that any of this happens, but if it weren't for the suspicions, baseball was never going to do anything against steroid use, something that should have been done in the mid-90's. What can anyone say now?

It's mccarthyism here on ATOT, where people assume pujols is guilty for no obvious reason except he's put on some weight that seems largely to be fat. The league is sort of the opposite... assume innocence even when proven guilty.

 

[SKoprowski]

Damn loved his chicken!!

 

[cubby1223]

Originally posted by: torpid

Originally posted by: cubby1223And it's not quite McCarthyism. Difference is, people are only suspecting players of steroid and other drug use without any proof. Back under McCarthyism, people were being convicted without any proof.

It's a shame that any of this happens, but if it weren't for the suspicions, baseball was never going to do anything against steroid use, something that should have been done in the mid-90's. What can anyone say now?

It's mccarthyism here on ATOT, where people assume pujols is guilty for no obvious reason except he's put on some weight that seems largely to be fat. The league is sort of the opposite... assume innocence even when proven guilty.

So what? Is anyone here that suspects him of performance enhancing drugs, preventing Pujols from playing baseball? I don't think so There's a big difference.

 

[torpid]

Originally posted by: cubby1223

Originally posted by: torpid

Originally posted by: cubby1223And it's not quite McCarthyism. Difference is, people are only suspecting players of steroid and other drug use without any proof. Back under McCarthyism, people were being convicted without any proof.

It's a shame that any of this happens, but if it weren't for the suspicions, baseball was never going to do anything against steroid use, something that should have been done in the mid-90's. What can anyone say now?

It's mccarthyism here on ATOT, where people assume pujols is guilty for no obvious reason except he's put on some weight that seems largely to be fat. The league is sort of the opposite... assume innocence even when proven guilty.

So what? Is anyone here that suspects him of performance enhancing drugs, preventing Pujols from playing baseball? I don't think so There's a big difference.

This is great logic. This is akin to me saying "You can eat cake with a spoon" and then you saying, "no you can't", then I go get a spoon and eat cake with it, then you say, "So what?"

So what? There is no additional conclusion required. ATOT is assuming people are guilty of drug abuse without any evidence. That is the sole point. It's pathetic.

 

[ActuaryTm]

Originally posted by: getbush
He also begins every pitching motion by moving his throwing arm back, and to the left, back, and to the left, back, and to the left, back, and to the left, back, and to the left. I find that highly suspect.

*dying with laughter in a back, and to the left fashion*