Kentucky GOP lawmaker commits suicide after sexual abuse allegations...

[Bitek]

Please, you don't kill yourself and leave a family behind if you are "innocent." Nice pivot to blaming the victim

Sounds like this guy has wild parties (where this incident was alleged occur.)

I find it more plausible that this was the tip of the iceberg and he knew it and bailed on life and his family.

 

[cytg111]

Consider - in general the people who pursue political position are people who desire power and control. That type of person is prone to other issues....

There is truth to that... its not the whole truth of course but it is most defn. a factor IMO. Even in small time local politics youll see that pattern.. thats why I imagine the top being the ultimate cess pool of what our species can achieve.. With a few notable exceptions, there truely are ppl who manage their way up there with soul intact...

 

[Sunburn74]

Could it have been that the police investigated the charges and found no evidence or reason to pursue them? Perhaps the man was innocent? He was never proven guilty. Now he's dead. Congratulations, you've got a dead innocent man on your hands. Maybe you can dig him up and give him a fair trial before you declare him guilty and hang him.

I kinda hate to tell you this, but in this country you are presumed innocent until "proven" guilty. There was a police investigation at the time accusations were made. Was he proven guilty? Was he? No.

It is possible but not likely. In a court of law you are innocent until guilty (but that is still a fallacy. To even get to a court of law, you have to pass through police investigation, a grand jury indictment, a judge has to evaluate the merits of the case and set bail and timing of a court date, etc etc all things where you are not treated as innocent. In fact to get to a court date, the person time and time again is found guilty and then gets his day in court, thus why actual criminal trials are so rare)

If he truly was innocent, he'd be the exception and not the rule in these sorts of stories. Its a shame he will never get to tell his story in court, assuming he had a defense. What likely will happen though is an investigation into the police review to see if there was a cover up of some sort. I also would wonder if he was facing a civil suit and decided to end his life rather than deal with that.

 

[Puffnstuff]

What the hell is going on in this country? Has it always been this way and the Internet is now bringing this all out?

I believe you've hit the nail on the head.

 

[soulcougher73]

Couldnt have happened to a nicer guy.

 

[zinfamous]

I see why he won his election in Ky. More of those "very fine people"

oh wow it's that guy.

 

[brycejones]

Couldnt have happened to a nicer guy.

It's too soon to talk about it. Until there is a criminal trial NONE of these things should be discussed because women might just be out to get him because he is a really good guy and they can't stand that.

/tajbot

 

[zinfamous]

I kinda hate to tell you this, but in this country you are presumed innocent until "proven" guilty. There was a police investigation at the time accusations were made. Was he proven guilty? Was he? No.

pretty clear that this guy became the judge, jury, and executioner of himself because he knew what he did. His cold, dark, racist, rapist, morally repugnant soul became just too much to bear! Or, well, he's just a fucking coward and decided to off himself instead of facing actual justice and the face of the girl he raped.

 

[Jaskalas]

and you'd hope he would strive for redemption

What does redemption even mean in our society?
Sex offenders get put on a list, a big scarlet letter for life. He'd be hated til he died.
People spend their entire lives building up careers. They don't get to do it all again.

So I'm quite curious as to what you had in mind. Society puts criminals up on a cross to be crucified, he wanted it over quickly.

 

[soulcougher73]

Is their a greater admission of guilt than suicide?

 

[bshole]

pretty clear that this guy became the judge, jury, and executioner of himself because he knew what he did. His cold, dark, racist, rapist, morally repugnant soul became just too much to bear! Or, well, he's just a fucking coward and decided to off himself instead of facing actual justice and the face of the girl he raped.

I agree with most of your post except the suicide part. Perhaps he realized he was objectively evil and that society would be better off without him. In that case, his action was morally good and I cannot condemn him for it. Then again, a truly repentant man would have left an apology to the girl he assaulted. In any event, in no reality was this man of God the victim, he was the victimizer.

 

[Sunburn74]

Also it's pretty rare for guys accused of this sort of stuff to only have done it once. Generally there are other victims who will eventually come forward.

 

[bshole]

What does redemption even mean in our society?
Sex offenders get put on a list, a big scarlet letter for life. He'd be hated til he died.
People spend their entire lives building up careers. They don't get to do it all again.

So I'm quite curious as to what you had in mind. Society puts criminals up on a cross to be crucified, he wanted it over quickly.

The man was a sack of shit. Sacks of shit don't get redeemed.

But the seven-month investigation, comprised of more than 100 interviews and thousands of pages of public records, alleges the Republican’s persona is orchestrated to mask a series of concerning incidents — including sexual abuse, arson and false testimony.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-himself-coroner-says/?utm_term=.d0581a4fcab2

 

[vi edit]

To paraphrase a Reddit poster - There's a lot of god in his words but not in his actions.

 

[Sunburn74]

That Washington Post story is very very concerning. The guy was throwing wild parties with unsupervised teens and no one said anything....holy moly what is going on in these small towns? Also the KyCIR report is implicating that the police intentionally under-investigated this story and also intentionally undercharged calling it a misdemeanor they were investigating as opposed to a felony. Undercharging would allow then to close the investigation much quicker.

If you guys take the time to read the report it's very credible. The girl went to the police immediately. Developed ptsd and needed counseling and reported it to her therapist who took detailed notes. Also there is this weird Facebook thread between the guy and her where he is apologizing for bad behavior at the party last night? This is insane

 

[thecoolnessrune]

Please, you don't kill yourself and leave a family behind if you are "innocent." Nice pivot to blaming the victim

Sounds like this guy has wild parties (where this incident was alleged occur.)

I find it more plausible that this was the tip of the iceberg and he knew it and bailed on life and his family.

I'll just say I disagree with the 'you don't kill yourself and leave a family behind if you are "innocent".' I don't even believe on the surface he's innocent. I'm not saying anything about that. But specifically on the topic of a person with a family, who is genuinely innocent of some crime, I could totally see and understand the mental state that would drive someone to just not see the point of continuing to live through it.. Suicide is almost never a rational decision. People have given up their life over a lot less.

 

[pauldun170]

That Washington Post story is very very concerning. The guy was throwing wild parties with unsupervised teens and no one said anything....holy moly what is going on in these small towns? Also the KyCIR report is implicating that the police intentionally under-investigated this story and also intentionally undercharged calling it a misdemeanor they were investigating as opposed to a felony. Undercharging would allow then to close the investigation much quicker.

If you guys take the time to read the report it's very credible. The girl went to the police immediately. Developed ptsd and needed counseling and reported it to her therapist who took detailed notes. Also there is this weird Facebook thread between the guy and her where he is apologizing for bad behavior at the party last night? This is insane

It's Kentucky, its a small town and he was a pastor.
It's not out of the ordinary for a pastor to host a party that might be just for the young people at the church.
Churches are the social center for a lot of towns.

It also not out of the ordinary for cops, government officials and elected officials to have an "understanding".


At least from what I've heard.
or maybe read on reddit rumor maybe

 

[Commodus]

What does redemption even mean in our society?
Sex offenders get put on a list, a big scarlet letter for life. He'd be hated til he died.
People spend their entire lives building up careers. They don't get to do it all again.

So I'm quite curious as to what you had in mind. Society puts criminals up on a cross to be crucified, he wanted it over quickly.

It'd be complicated. Certainly his political career would be over, and I wouldn't change that. Nor would I change that he'd either go to prison or face public distrust.

Really, it's that he could have tried to make some peace. As a self-proclaimed Christian, you'd think he'd have stuck around and asked for forgiveness instead of committing suicide. Ending his life not only goes against common interpretations of his faith, it reinforces views that he was unrepentant. (I'm not religious, but I can see how this would've been important.)

 

[Sunburn74]

It's Kentucky, its a small town and he was a pastor.
It's not out of the ordinary for a pastor to host a party that might be just for the young people at the church.
Churches are the social center for a lot of towns.

It also not out of the ordinary for cops, government officials and elected officials to have an "understanding".


At least from what I've heard.
or maybe read on reddit rumor maybe

Scantily clad women, booze and teens and the pastor himself gets drunk?

 

[imported_tajmahal]

Again, i'll be happy to see a trial where the evidence can be presented. Sounds fair to me, fair to you too, right?

That whole "innocent until proven guilty" apparently only applies when it's Republicans being accused...right?

Hillary Clinton was never convicted in a court of law for any of the shit you and your ilk have been clamoring about for years..."LOCK HER UP!" has been the war cry of the right...and without any conviction...

 

[imported_tajmahal]

I'm still waiting for the pattern of behavior to show up. You know the way it's shown up for Senator Franken, President Clinton, Judge Moore etc.

 

[interchange]

I'll just say I disagree with the 'you don't kill yourself and leave a family behind if you are "innocent".' I don't even believe on the surface he's innocent. I'm not saying anything about that. But specifically on the topic of a person with a family, who is genuinely innocent of some crime, I could totally see and understand the mental state that would drive someone to just not see the point of continuing to live through it.. Suicide is almost never a rational decision. People have given up their life over a lot less.

Thank you for this post.

 

[soulcougher73]

Again, i'll be happy to see a trial where the evidence can be presented. Sounds fair to me, fair to you too, right?

Id be fine with that, but hes already taken care of himself for us. That kind of act screams "im guilty".

 

[JSt0rm]

can we talk about how owning guns isnt safe in this thread?

 

[werepossum]

Could it have been that the police investigated the charges and found no evidence or reason to pursue them? Perhaps the man was innocent? He was never proven guilty. Now he's dead. Congratulations, you've got a dead innocent man on your hands. Maybe you can dig him up and give him a fair trial before you declare him guilty and hang him.

If he were actually innocent and killed himself over the publicity, then he deserves a Darwin Award. Personally, if you are accused of something heinous and you kill yourself, then I'm going to assume that you are guilty of that and probably a lot more.