Kentucky School Shooting

[SlowSpyder]

OK, it is my opinion that the Chinese did not develop gun powder and a means to propel small objects forcefully, at great distance--nor have the world's militaries refined this technology, at billions billions of dollars over the centuries...for the purpose of sending these projectiles into paper plates or tin cans.

do you have an alternate opinion that somehow manages to oppose the actual march of history and centuries of R&D?

Sure. Does the Chinese military employ guns for use as tools, or do they shun them because gun powder is for fireworks?

 

[vi edit]

We got kids killing kids and your step 1 is to make it some irrelevant racial bullshit?

Youre a straight up idiot.

1. I'm white.
2. I live in Kentucky.
3. I actually have kids in schools here.

I'm just completely frustrated by our leaders and their reactions. Brown person tries to kill someone in NYC? ISIS MUST BE STOPPED OUR BORDERS HAVE TO BE SECURED EXTREME VETTING RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE TWEETS IN MINUTES!!!!! HYSTERIA!!!!

White kid shoots up a school? From our Governor's own words "Let's not speculate". Not a peep from our President who's too busy ranting about lost text messages and starting a twitter fight with Samsung. Not a finger lifted by anyone on the GOP side other than to send the "Thoughts and Prayers" auto-response.

How many schools/concerts/movies have to get shot up before we fucking do something?

 

[Exterous]

But saying having ready access to guns doesn't play a major role in enabling them is ignoring a factor as well.

Yeah...never said that.

 

[jackstar7]

Not a responsible gun owner, so nothing can be done.

 

[Sunburn74]

Not a responsible gun owner, so nothing can be done.

Great response. Let's apply that logic to all of societies problems. Only problems where people follow the rules can be fixed, prevented, or addressed. That makes a ton of sense.

 

[jackstar7]

Great response. Let's apply that logic to all of societies problems. Only problems where people follow the rules can be fixed, prevented, or addressed. That makes a ton of sense.

Do I need to be adding the /s to things? I always hope it's obvious, but these are troubling times.

 

[darkswordsman17]

Yeah...never said that.

Except your argument is saying that guns aren't the issue since people had ready access to them before so its not what is causing the mass shootings. By all means ignore the rest of my post which was putting that in context too (which is to say that other places have that as a factor and yet, because they also do limit gun availability, they don't have the glut of mass shootings that America does, which nullifies your point).

I don't know if you were just trying to be a somewhat more rational version of the bullshit we've been hearing for years ("its not guns, its the media!!!!"), but a lot of people making the same argument you did, absolutely do try and claim that access to guns isn't a major factor (they'll often claim its not even a factor at all, although weirdly they often will, they'll just then claim that nothing can be done about it, there's already too many guns to be able to prevent easy access, or various other arguments that don't hold up to scrutiny).

Absolutely it is not the only factor (and all of the others need addressing as well), but it is the single factor that if you change it, would have the most immediate and be most effective at curbing this specific issue. Instead we've gotten the opposite. We've gotten more affordable, and more effective (deadly) weaponry, that is easier to access.

People focus on the guns, because its basic logic to go "hmm, we're having people shoot other people with guns...maybe we should make guns less accessible?" and then looking around when other places did that and it (shockingly, apparently to some people?) has tended to actually work. Hell even gun nuts usually admit that, they just claim that its too difficult or its too late there's already too many guns we'll never be able to reduce them enough to matter.

 

[senseamp]

Bevin is blaming video games and song lyrics.

 

[Chaotic42]

Bevin is blaming video games and song lyrics.

Contra, Johnny Cash, and Jimi Hendrix?