Kerry says Bush is incompentent, Bush concedes he may lose but "not quite there yet".

[dmcowen674]

10-25-2004 Kerry Accuses Bush of Incompetence

ALAMOGORDO, N.M. - President Bush, presenting himself as the best candidate to keep America safe, was accused by John Kerry on Monday of "unbelievable incompetence" in the disappearance of hundreds of tons of powerful explosives in Iraq.

Running mate John Edwards, campaigning in Ohio, added, "After today, it's hard to imagine that even they'll continue believing things are going well."

The International Atomic Energy Agency said about 350 tons of highly explosive material had disappeared in Iraq, apparently stolen because of a lack of security at governmental installations.

The Bush campaign dismissed Kerry's criticism of the missing explosives without responding to the allegations.

Asked in the interview if he has considered the fact that he could lose, Bush replied, "I'm not there yet."

 

[DragonMasterAlex]

You know, this figure gets larger every time someone posts about it. It started at 350 tons, now it's 400?

Sheesh.

 

[adlep]

Originally posted by: DragonMasterAlex
You know, this figure gets larger every time someone posts about it. It started at 350 tons, now it's 400?

Sheesh.

It is 380 US tons which is equal to 350 Metric tons (1 Metric tone = 1000Kg. I weight about 75kg so that gives you an idea).

 

[Tripleshot]

Originally posted by: DragonMasterAlex
You know, this figure gets larger every time someone posts about it. It started at 350 tons, now it's 400?

Sheesh.

380 tons. Who cares? why is it gone, where did it go, and why was it un protected? how long has this adminstration lknown about it and what the hell are they doing about it now?


Try and focus.:roll:

 

[Gravity]

It's a big country. They should have prioritized it though. I wonder when it went missing.

 

[CycloWizard]

I'm sure Kerry would have personally assigned someone to watch this particular batch of explosives.

 

[OneOfTheseDays]

they were busy securing the oil dumps..........

 

[KevinH]

Originally posted by: CycloWizard
I'm sure Kerry would have personally assigned someone to watch this particular batch of explosives.

You fvck up on the job...you get canned. Remeber that personal responbility bit you were harping about in another thread? Ring a bell?

 

[NightCrawler]

Iraq was so litter with weapons that it is hard to secure all the depot's. You would need 100,000 men just for that job alone.

 

[CaptnKirk]

You know . . . we have these things called Spy Satellites, see . . .
and we have the capability to view and observe anything that is
as large as a soccer ball from space. Every 5 minutes another
satellite takes over the view of the one that just just finished its
track, and this goes on 60 times an hour, 24 hours a day, with a
cascade of 1440 surveilances daily over that region.

A truck entering the complex and loading up something the size
of a soccer ball and driving off would have been spotted and
tracked from point of origin to the end destination, or close to it,
by running the recorded data stream visuals and sequenced to
a coherent track. The Military can do this if they want, and when they
desire - all they have to do is send the command to the 'Bird'.

It's in the same place that they originally said they were watching
for the development of Nuclear Programs.
"We know where they are, they're around Baghdad and Tikrit"

How could they have NOT seen what was going on ?

 

[villager]

Originally posted by: adlep

Originally posted by: DragonMasterAlex
You know, this figure gets larger every time someone posts about it. It started at 350 tons, now it's 400?

Sheesh.

It is 380 US tons which is equal to 350 Metric tons (1 Metric tone = 1000Kg. I weight about 75kg so that gives you an idea).

Anyone think it is still 350 tons?

 

[feralkid]

Originally posted by: KevinH

Originally posted by: CycloWizard
I'm sure Kerry would have personally assigned someone to watch this particular batch of explosives.

You fvck up on the job...you get canned. Remeber that personal responbility bit you were harping about in another thread? Ring a bell?

:thumbsup:

 

[maddogchen]

I wonder...is this more the incompetance of our military or incompetance of the Bush administration?

 

[CycloWizard]

Originally posted by: KevinH

Originally posted by: CycloWizard
I'm sure Kerry would have personally assigned someone to watch this particular batch of explosives.

You fvck up on the job...you get canned. Remeber that personal responbility bit you were harping about in another thread? Ring a bell?

You have failed to demonstrate how the PRESIDENT can possibly be held personally responsible for the actions of every last military man and woman. I sincerely doubt that Bush is in charge of making specific security assignments in Iraq. If you can prove me wrong, please do so. Until then, your position holds no water.

Originally posted by: CaptnKirk
You know . . . we have these things called Spy Satellites, see . . .
and we have the capability to view and observe anything that is
as large as a soccer ball from space. Every 5 minutes another
satellite takes over the view of the one that just just finished its
track, and this goes on 60 times an hour, 24 hours a day, with a
cascade of 1440 surveilances daily over that region.

A truck entering the complex and loading up something the size
of a soccer ball and driving off would have been spotted and
tracked from point of origin to the end destination, or close to it,
by running the recorded data stream visuals and sequenced to
a coherent track. The Military can do this if they want, and when they
desire - all they have to do is send the command to the 'Bird'.

It's in the same place that they originally said they were watching
for the development of Nuclear Programs.
"We know where they are, they're around Baghdad and Tikrit"

How could they have NOT seen what was going on ?

Are you willing to quadruple your taxes to hire and train a sufficient number of experts to analyze all this satellite data in real time? Doubtful.

 

[abaez]

Isn't Bush the Commander in Chief?

 

[maddogchen]

Originally posted by: abaez
Isn't Bush the Commander in Chief?

true, although its more symbolic. But ultimately I guess he would get blamed for any military failures.

 

[CycloWizard]

Originally posted by: abaez
Isn't Bush the Commander in Chief?

Yeah. We should have canned FDR and Lincoln if we lost any battles in WW II or the Civil War also, I suppose. Makes perfect sense to me. :roll:

 

[CaptnKirk]

Are you willing to quadruple your taxes to hire and train a sufficient number of experts to analyze all this satellite data in real time? Doubtful.



They are in place right now analyzing data - that's their job.
What makes you think we have to raise taxes and train and hire more ?
We've been doing this for 30+ years.

 

[her209]

Originally posted by: CycloWizard
Yeah. We should have canned FDR and Lincoln if we lost any battles in WW II or the Civil War also, I suppose. Makes perfect sense to me. :roll:

Bush hasn't taken any blame for Iraq.

 

[maddogchen]

Originally posted by: CaptnKirk
You know . . . we have these things called Spy Satellites, see . . .
and we have the capability to view and observe anything that is
as large as a soccer ball from space. Every 5 minutes another
satellite takes over the view of the one that just just finished its
track, and this goes on 60 times an hour, 24 hours a day, with a
cascade of 1440 surveilances daily over that region.

A truck entering the complex and loading up something the size
of a soccer ball and driving off would have been spotted and
tracked from point of origin to the end destination, or close to it,
by running the recorded data stream visuals and sequenced to
a coherent track. The Military can do this if they want, and when they
desire - all they have to do is send the command to the 'Bird'.

It's in the same place that they originally said they were watching
for the development of Nuclear Programs.
"We know where they are, they're around Baghdad and Tikrit"

How could they have NOT seen what was going on ?

it would work unless the truck stops at a house/marketplace or underneath a roof that a lot of people walk in and out of. How are you going to track everyone that leaves the place? Even if they send troops to raid the place, the stuff was probably gone by then.

 

[Isla]

Either way, it seems like the priority out there has always been oil.

 

[JustAnAverageGuy]

Originally posted by: CycloWizard

Originally posted by: abaez
Isn't Bush the Commander in Chief?

Yeah. We should have canned FDR and Lincoln if we lost any battles in WW II or the Civil War also, I suppose. Makes perfect sense to me. :roll:

Except for the fact that those wars were justified.

 

[CaptnKirk]

it would work unless the truck stops at a house/marketplace or underneath a roof that a lot of people walk in and out of. How are you going to track everyone that leaves the place? Even if they send troops to raid the place, the stuff was probably gone by then

And when the vehicle moves to it's next place it would be seen and tracked as well.

I suppose that an Iraqi could supposedly tuck a 1,000Kg object down his pants and
walk off un-noticed, but he would probably be dragging something - like a compound hernia.
Small truck to transfer - it's seen too. the 'Snap' is a 70 mile by 70 mile frame - series of stills.
Hard to get outside that range in a window of opportunity that is 5 minutes.
you could only transverse 5 miles at 60 MPH and you do leave trails you know.

 

[NightCrawler]

Originally posted by: JustAnAverageGuy

Originally posted by: CycloWizard

Originally posted by: abaez
Isn't Bush the Commander in Chief?

Yeah. We should have canned FDR and Lincoln if we lost any battles in WW II or the Civil War also, I suppose. Makes perfect sense to me. :roll:

Except for the fact that those wars were justified.

Not everyone thought so though, there were plenty of peaceniks who always think war is bad.

 

[maddogchen]

Originally posted by: CaptnKirk
it would work unless the truck stops at a house/marketplace or underneath a roof that a lot of people walk in and out of. How are you going to track everyone that leaves the place? Even if they send troops to raid the place, the stuff was probably gone by then

And when the vehicle moves to it's next place it would be seen and tracked as well.

I suppose that an Iraqi could supposedly tuck a 1,000Kg object down his pants and
walk off un-noticed, but he would probably be dragging something - like a compound hernia.
Small truck to transfer - it's seen too. the 'Snap' is a 70 mile by 70 mile frame - series of stills.
Hard to get outside that range in a window of opportunity that is 5 minutes.
you could only transverse 5 miles at 60 MPH and you do leave trails you know.

heheh I was thinking a marketplace to sell the explosive material. And people leave with whatever amount they buy. But it doesn't matter...it seems no one bothered to put any survellance on the facility, a bad mistake.