Kevin Kolb to the Cardinals

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I disagree.

If you look at the division we play in, if we would have had at least a half way decent QB last year, we make the playoffs. Our division is without a doubt the worst in the NFL and there isn't a corner in the NFC West that can cover Fitz and shut him down.

49ers re-signed Alex Smith (lol) and appear to be gunning for first place to draft Luck. They dropped their arguably their best corner (Clements) who was the best chance in the division to cover Fitz and while they may actually have a chance to re-sign him, I doubt it.

Rams have Sam Bradford and Stephen Jackson. Nobody else at a skill position on that team appears to jump out at you so the likely hood that the Rams become a dominant team this year are next-to-nil but if they cab keep up Bradford's development, I'm sure we shall see an influx of talent headed to StL.

The Seattle Trojans. LOL. I mean who really leaves what is essentially an NFL team in the PAC 10 to coach in Seattle? Pete Carroll is a great recruiter no doubt, but I surely doubt his ability to be a professional head coach. Winning the division last year was the aforementioned product of playing in the NFC West. You talk about terrible teams being terrible? Who just cuts their best QB and TRADES for Tavaris Jackson? LOL. I'm surely not expecting much from Seattle.

With that being said, good luck to Philly. You get a very soft corner that CAN make plays on the ball, but don't expect him to be physical or make very many tackles. AS fast as he is, there should be no reason why WR's out run him and score at will like they did last year. I'm sure you all remember that Super Bowl winning drive Pittsburgh had where Roethlisberger threw to Holmes in the end zone? Right, well guess who was the CB assigned to cover him? Who was 1 of the 3 defenders in coverage that could not cover that play? Oh, that's right it was DRC!

I think with the drafting of PP7, I'm not too worried about our coverage unit, especially with the lack of quality WR's in the NFC west. Besides, when you go up against one of the WR's in the NFL during practice, you can't do much better then that!

While I agree that the FO is full of retards and wish Graves was no longer employed, I really don't think this will be a bad trade for us. It's not like we really had that many options and I truly don't think that Orton would have been that much better of an option. Bulger certainly would not have been the answer.

I try to stay as unbiased as I can with the Cardinals and realize of course, they are not the A1, Gold Star team to play for, but playing in the NFC West sure helps! LOL

lol no way Clements is even close to the best corner... Couldn't man up and guard any receiver with decent speed/quickness... Oh yeah, and he would've made something like $15 million bucks with the way his "overpaid" contract was so heavily backloaded. Honestly, Andy Reid is a genius in how he maximizes QB potential, so it's hard to say that Kolb will do just as well away from Philly as he performed in Philly. Who are the AZ receivers besides Fitz? LaRod Stephens Howling?

Not gonna lie, Shawntae Spencer and the 49ers always do a good job of shutting down Fitz

I say this with the caveat that I still think the Cards are in better position that the 49ers as a whole, at least in the now.
 

Deeko

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Again I say....really? Of course its my opinion. You can't honestly expect every person to preface their sports posts with "listen this is just my opinion, don't be offended" can you? Why does this hurt your soul so much? Are you a Cardinals fan thats deeply, personally offended that someone would dare insut a move they made? Or did Kevin Kolb save your mom's sick puppy or something?
 

chalmers

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Again I say....really? Of course its my opinion. You can't honestly expect every person to preface their sports posts with "listen this is just my opinion, don't be offended" can you? Why does this hurt your soul so much? Are you a Cardinals fan thats deeply, personally offended that someone would dare insut a move they made? Or did Kevin Kolb save your mom's sick puppy or something?

Nope, Packers fan. I just think you're an NFL know-it-all.
 

Deeko

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I have never stated my opinion is more viable than anyone elses. If you want to be personally offended that I am willing to have a discussion on football that goes beyond "go team lolz" and actually have an opinion...well, that's your personal issue to deal with. Good luck!
 

Perknose

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You're an NFL scout? How exactly do you know more than NFL teams and GM's do? How do you have any idea how good he is? You sit on a couch and watch the games, right?
Again I say....really? Of course its my opinion. You can't honestly expect every person to preface their sports posts with "listen this is just my opinion, don't be offended" can you?

Deeko just gave his opinion, supernintendo C.

Deal with it, because otherwise you're looking silly and precious here.
 

cheezy321

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Eh, they overpaid a lot but they pretty much did it to save their jobs.

I think the head coach has a contract through 2013. They've been bleeding players left and right, like Boldin, Dansby, and some more. If they didn't get a good or potentially good QB for this year, Fitzgerald's gone since he's a FA in a year and everyone would lose their jobs.

So I understand the move even if it may not work out short-term or long-term. If they do nothing and keep using Max Hall or something, then they're fired. If Kolb sucks, they're fired. But if Kolb turned out great, then they get a new contract extension.

No way is it to save their jobs. I think the cards will have Whisenhunt for a while. They have never had stability at the coaching position and were the joke of the NFL for decades. Whisenhunt brought them to the freaking Super Bowl just 3 years ago! That is quite the feat and it is the reason why there are actually Cardinals fans in Arizona now. They have finally become a team that Arizona can have pride in. I would give Whisenhunt about 3 - 5 years at least.

As for the trade, I think if the pick was 6th or 7th round it would be more fair. The cardinals gave up a lot and were at the losing end of this trade. However, you can't get to the super bowl or win a lot of games without a QB. It is by far the most important position on the field.

As for the Seahawks fans in here, good luck with Tavaris Jackson. Now *that* was a terrible trade. Vikings fan here, T Jack is worthless
 
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I disagree.

If you look at the division we play in, if we would have had at least a half way decent QB last year, we make the playoffs. Our division is without a doubt the worst in the NFL and there isn't a corner in the NFC West that can cover Fitz and shut him down.

Mmmm... Who in the division had a good QB last year? Nobody. So it's not like you guys were extrodinarily handicapped relative to the division. You were definitely the worst off but even looking at that, your defense was a joke. The best QB in the division last year was Bradford and he was a rookie. QB isn't your only problem.

49ers re-signed Alex Smith (lol) and appear to be gunning for first place to draft Luck. They dropped their arguably their best corner (Clements) who was the best chance in the division to cover Fitz and while they may actually have a chance to re-sign him, I doubt it.

Salary cap move. It'll be interesting to see what Harbaugh has in mind for Smith. This whole series of events may be another rebuilding start. We'll see.

Rams have Sam Bradford and Stephen Jackson. Nobody else at a skill position on that team appears to jump out at you so the likely hood that the Rams become a dominant team this year are next-to-nil but if they cab keep up Bradford's development, I'm sure we shall see an influx of talent headed to StL.

If Bradford picks up where he left off and Jackson keeps up his usual production that offense could be pretty scary. The O line has some talent. The D is the big question there. They could have made the playoffs last year but lost what amounted to a playoff game with Seattle in week 17. We'll see. They're my pick to take the division this year.

The Seattle Trojans. LOL. I mean who really leaves what is essentially an NFL team in the PAC 10 to coach in Seattle? Pete Carroll is a great recruiter no doubt, but I surely doubt his ability to be a professional head coach. Winning the division last year was the aforementioned product of playing in the NFC West. You talk about terrible teams being terrible? Who just cuts their best QB and TRADES for Tavaris Jackson? LOL. I'm surely not expecting much from Seattle.

Winning the division might have been a joke but winning a playoff game was not. They didn't cut their #1 QB. I don't know where you got that from. They made a 2 year offer and he went elsewhere... to an even more desperate Titans team that was offering more years. That seems kind of silly considering he'll only be there for one year anyway. T Jack didn't look horrible last year when he got to play. Besides, after failing to sign Hass who else was out there? Kolb was headed to AZ from day one. McNabb? Please. Orton? With their young inexperienced line he would be a tackling dummy. Were they going to go with Whitehurst? I think not. Jackson makes sense for the short term and he might have some upside now that he has a few years under his belt. They'll still be shopping for a QB but he seems to fit for now.

With that being said, good luck to Philly. You get a very soft corner that CAN make plays on the ball, but don't expect him to be physical or make very many tackles. AS fast as he is, there should be no reason why WR's out run him and score at will like they did last year. I'm sure you all remember that Super Bowl winning drive Pittsburgh had where Roethlisberger threw to Holmes in the end zone? Right, well guess who was the CB assigned to cover him? Who was 1 of the 3 defenders in coverage that could not cover that play? Oh, that's right it was DRC!

I think with the drafting of PP7, I'm not too worried about our coverage unit, especially with the lack of quality WR's in the NFC west. Besides, when you go up against one of the WR's in the NFL during practice, you can't do much better then that!

Than. Don't go to sleep on the Rams or 'Hawks. A good QB can work miracles with mediocre talent (Bradford) and the 'Hawks have a lot of potential at receiver. Add to that an O line that might be able to get something done this year in the running game... We'll see. Okung and Gallery on the left side are interesting.

The Cards have Fitz but who do they go to after he's doubled?

While I agree that the FO is full of retards and wish Graves was no longer employed, I really don't think this will be a bad trade for us. It's not like we really had that many options and I truly don't think that Orton would have been that much better of an option. Bulger certainly would not have been the answer.

I try to stay as unbiased as I can with the Cardinals and realize of course, they are not the A1, Gold Star team to play for, but playing in the NFC West sure helps! LOL

This is true. But I still think the Cards have a way to go. I see the Rams taking the division with the Seahawks going second and the Cards third. I don't expect much from the Niners this year.
 
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zinfamous

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lol. I still have no idea why people get so huffy about Deeko's opinions. He does nothing more than what every other sports analyst does anywhere.

just move along...
 

AMDZen

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While I agree that the FO is full of retards and wish Graves was no longer employed, I really don't think this will be a bad trade for us. It's not like we really had that many options and I truly don't think that Orton would have been that much better of an option. Bulger certainly would not have been the answer.

I try to stay as unbiased as I can with the Cardinals and realize of course, they are not the A1, Gold Star team to play for, but playing in the NFC West sure helps! LOL

Orton would have been a better option. As a player he probably isn't better than Kolb, talent wise its a wash. But you could have had Orton for the 2nd round pick by itself, without throwing DRC in along with it, a top 10 CB in this league when healthy. And then you would only have to pay him 8.x million this year and evaluate if you want him long term, not the ridiculous long term money you gave Kolb
 

fustercluck

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How many games has Kolb started again? 2? 63 mill? Bleh. Cardinals have been back to sucking after their superbowl appearance.
 
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