Key House Democrat Formally Asks For Trump's Tax Returns

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fskimospy

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Highly unlikely. The IRS doesn't have the resources or the will to pursue low probability ancient tax cases against deceased individuals like Fred Trump.

Apparently New York State does though:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...epartment-probes-trump-taxes-from-decades-ago

New York state tax authorities have opened an investigation into allegations reported in the New York Times that President Donald Trump and his family created their real estate empire through “instances of outright fraud,” evading taxes on hundreds of millions of dollars.

“The Tax Department is reviewing the allegations in the New York Times article and is vigorously pursuing all appropriate avenues of investigation,” said James Gazzale, spokesman for Department of Taxation and Finance.
 
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I'm surprised Turmp has argued that he can't release them because he's just now filing (and then looking like an idiot when people tell him the deadline to file has passed and ask if he got an exemption to file late and he responds "no, I pay yuuuuge sums of taxes!").
 

Greenman

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Yes you did. You have to include your W2, 1099, and other forms that disclose the sources of the income you are claiming. Do you really think the IRS just trusts you to tell them how much income you have with no documentation?
Yes. Documented income was about 5 percent of the total. I remodel a house, the owner writes me a check, I deposit that check. There is no documentation other than the check itself. Homeowners don't send 1099s.
 

SMOGZINN

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Yes. Documented income was about 5 percent of the total. I remodel a house, the owner writes me a check, I deposit that check. There is no documentation other than the check itself. Homeowners don't send 1099s.

You acted as a independent contractor, they should have issued a 1099. If they did not they are either committing tax fraud, or failure to file. If audited they would be in trouble for it. If you are really only declaring 5 percent of your income you are only getting away with it by pure luck that the IRS has not looked at your taxes too closely. Since the IRS so underfunded they are only able to catch a small amount of such crimes, that does not make it legal.
 

fskimospy

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You acted as a independent contractor, they should have issued a 1099. If they did not they are either committing tax fraud, or failure to file. If audited they would be in trouble for it. If you are really only declaring 5 percent of your income you are only getting away with it by pure luck that the IRS has not looked at your taxes too closely. Since the IRS so underfunded they are only able to catch a small amount of such crimes, that does not make it legal.

Only businesses provide 1099s from my understanding, a homeowner would not. That being said, Greenman must absolutely keep records of who exactly paid him, how much they paid him, and when. All of this tax information must be made available to the government upon request.

What conservatives don't seem to get is that getting Trump's tax returns is only the START of the investigation. It will probably take years to uncover all the rot and corruption he's engaged in.
 

SMOGZINN

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Only businesses provide 1099s from my understanding, a homeowner would not. That being said, Greenman must absolutely keep records of who exactly paid him, how much they paid him, and when. All of this tax information must be made available to the government upon request.

What conservatives don't seem to get is that getting Trump's tax returns is only the START of the investigation. It will probably take years to uncover all the rot and corruption he's engaged in.

I misunderstood what he was saying. I was thinking he meant working as a contractor for a rental agency or some such. I agree if he was working as a sole proprietor then he does not have to report individual sales, but does have to keep individual sale records for transactions over $600. There is also a whole lot of exceptions to that rule. I doubt Trump would fall under the sole proprietor or small business' rules, and most of Trump's business revolves around real estate, which has specific reporting requirements.
 

allisolm

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You acted as a independent contractor, they should have issued a 1099. If they did not they are either committing tax fraud, or failure to file. If audited they would be in trouble for it. If you are really only declaring 5 percent of your income you are only getting away with it by pure luck that the IRS has not looked at your taxes too closely. Since the IRS so underfunded they are only able to catch a small amount of such crimes, that does not make it legal.

I am a homeowner and if I hire someone to remodel my bathroom, replace my roof, or even build me a new house, I don’t have to send them a 1099.
 

SMOGZINN

Lifer
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I am a homeowner and if I hire someone to remodel my bathroom, replace my roof, or even build me a new house, I don’t have to send them a 1099.

Yes, I misunderstood him. I was thinking of him as a contractor for a business doing home remodeling. He would have to keep records of the sale to you though.
 

Greenman

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You acted as a independent contractor, they should have issued a 1099. If they did not they are either committing tax fraud, or failure to file. If audited they would be in trouble for it. If you are really only declaring 5 percent of your income you are only getting away with it by pure luck that the IRS has not looked at your taxes too closely. Since the IRS so underfunded they are only able to catch a small amount of such crimes, that does not make it legal.
Completely incorrect on every point. Homeowners are not compelled to send out 1099's to contractors. I've never received one from a homeowner in the 32 years I've been in business. Do you send out a 1099 to your mechanic when he repairs your car? What about an accountant or doctor, do you 1099 them? Of course not. You don't have to 1099 a business.
I declare all of my revenue, 1099 or not, and take all the deductions I'm allowed. Not a single tax form I've ever seen lists my net worth or where the bulk of my income came from, and it's all legal and proper.
 

UberNeuman

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Some people are paid under the table. Sometimes that catches up with people. Some people are okay with lawbreakers getting caught. lol.
 
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Wait, even ignoring the misunderstanding about form filing, did he just admit to committing tax fraud? I have a strong hunch that he did.
 

JSt0rm

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Wait, even ignoring the misunderstanding about form filing, did he just admit to committing tax fraud? I have a strong hunch that he did.

now he is trying to walk it back but thats how it reads to me. He also keeps receipts of the input materials and writes off more. showing losses probably. Basically he is a freeloading pos.
 

MixMasterTang

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Yes. Documented income was about 5 percent of the total. I remodel a house, the owner writes me a check, I deposit that check. There is no documentation other than the check itself. Homeowners don't send 1099s.

So you dont have any record of how much material you bought, any other outside labor or any invoices for your work, just a check huh?
 

brycejones

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Completely incorrect on every point. Homeowners are not compelled to send out 1099's to contractors. I've never received one from a homeowner in the 32 years I've been in business. Do you send out a 1099 to your mechanic when he repairs your car? What about an accountant or doctor, do you 1099 them? Of course not. You don't have to 1099 a business.
I declare all of my revenue, 1099 or not, and take all the deductions I'm allowed. Not a single tax form I've ever seen lists my net worth or where the bulk of my income came from, and it's all legal and proper.
You do know he already acknowledged his mistake like 12 hours before your post right?
 
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Greenman

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So you dont have any record of how much material you bought, any other outside labor or any invoices for your work, just a check huh?
Of course I do, those are expenses that are listed on scheduled C.
I'm going to guess that no one else here is self employed, as these are elementary questions. I recommend you download a copy of schedule C and take a look at it.
 

Bird222

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Yes. Documented income was about 5 percent of the total. I remodel a house, the owner writes me a check, I deposit that check. There is no documentation other than the check itself. Homeowners don't send 1099s.

Regardless of this, you are supposed to include that income on your taxes.
 

dank69

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Yes. Documented income was about 5 percent of the total. I remodel a house, the owner writes me a check, I deposit that check. There is no documentation other than the check itself. Homeowners don't send 1099s.
Yes, the check is the documentation and tells the IRS where the income came from. If they audit you I assume they get access to your bank which provides them with copies of all checks you deposited.
 

trenchfoot

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It came to me awhile back that Trump has this adulterous love/hate affair with himself. Meathead #1 has a compulsive habit of shooting his mouth off before his slow as molasses addled brain can catch up with it. Meanwhile Meathead #2 in the mirror is feeling the love and showing it by doubling down on what M#1 did or said yet is furious with M#1 for having to provide cover for him all the time.

Worse still, both of him worship each other to the exclusion of every other single person on the face of the earth except of course, his mentor Putin, who unlike Meatheads #1 and # 2 has mastery over himself and those millions of others he can snuff out on a whim.

So here we have the Meatheads love/hating himself as they both try to hide as best they can every instance of skulduggery they've managed to get away with up to this point in time and now they're at each other's throats because they're blaming each other for not being clever enough to lose the election that got them into being a rape victim perpetrated by this witch hunter guy and that hag of a nag Pelosi.

The new normal, brought to you by those well meaning yet gullible folks who bought a bright shiny car with a very very loud Dixie playing horn except without those luxury add-on's like wheels, engine, transmission and ECM (electronic control module).
 
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now he is trying to walk it back but thats how it reads to me. He also keeps receipts of the input materials and writes off more. showing losses probably. Basically he is a freeloading pos.

Well it makes his adoration of Turmp make sense at least. Not at all surprised that he doesn't just play a piece of shit online, he really is one in real life. Gotta love how those assclowns do shit like that then use that as an argument for why we should just ditch taxes. Of course they always say its others doing it and take no responsibility for their own bullshit. Party of personal responsibility for ya...
 
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pcgeek11

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What he said was this:

" I declare all of my revenue, 1099 or not, and take all the deductions I'm allowed. Not a single tax form I've ever seen lists my net worth or where the bulk of my income came from, and it's all legal and proper. "
 
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Greenman

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Well it makes his adoration of Turmp make sense at least. Not at all surprised that he doesn't just play a piece of shit online, he really is one in real life. Gotta love how those assclowns do shit like that then use that as an argument for why we should just ditch taxes. Of course they always say its others doing it and take no responsibility for their own bullshit. Party of personal responsibility for ya...
I'm going to guess you don't read well, as I never said any of the things you just attacked. Or do you just make this crap up in your head and pretend it's truth? Your stupid or dishonest, which is it?
 
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