Keystone XL pipeline - why the fuss?

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cabri

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Or they can build something in America. It's not like there is nothing that needs building other than pipelines. High speed rail maybe.

high speed rail is a boon doggle, money pit except for high density travel areas.

CA is a perfect example of waste.

You have to look at the passenger air miles between points to determine if it is effective.

Very few places outside of along the east coast or west toward chicagohave those numbers.
 

cabri

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Money is available to government at rates below inflation. There is a lack of will, not resources.

Which is why the pipeline went pure Canadian. Lack of will - government.
The government will take the easy way out.
Obama's put America back to work is a perfect example of waste. The funds and political capital were available to tackle the nations infrastructure of highway/bridges. That was long term work with needed jobs.

But instead it went to the easy, visible plumb/paybacks with very little long term benefits.
 

CPA

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Oil prices are controlled by global oil speculation, not by how big our pipeline from Canada is. Remember when oil hit $130/barrel? That wasn't because of supply changes.

So, why have any pipelines anywhere? You are right on speculation controlling oil prices, but what does that have to do with building the pipeline?
 

CPA

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Or they can build something in America. It's not like there is nothing that needs building other than pipelines. High speed rail maybe.

yes, because rail has been so popular and profitable in the states.
 

Matt1970

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Article indicates 4-5 years to get it done.

They intend on utilizing some existing pipeline.

Each job generated outside of Alberta could have been a US job.
And the pipeline is longer than what wold be needed to get the crude to the US refineries.

Politics killed jobs.
The Alaska pipeline from the North Slope works in a harsher environment.

Yep.
 

K1052

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yes, because rail has been so popular and profitable in the states.

The NEC services are quite profitable. It subsidies the long distance routes which lose the most money but not even the GOP will really touch those because there would be serious hell to pay with their constituents as they serve many rural areas in their districts.
 

iGas

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How much would the world oil supply change?
Not much in the grand scheme, but it would become more readily available at the area where the oil ended up in, hence lower price in that area. And, refineries run at full capacity lead to more refineries built to over supply/processing, therefore lead to lower local price at the pump.

There are vested interests from many entities to protests the expansion of the pipeline. Envirokooks get funding for protests, and local companies that are extracting oil/gas in the US fear of competing with big volume giants, and perhaps fear of leading to lower local oil price.
 

dmcowen674

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Not much in the grand scheme, but it would become more readily available at the area where the oil ended up in, hence lower price in that area. And, refineries run at full capacity lead to more refineries built to over supply/processing, therefore lead to lower local price at the pump.

Stop lying.

This has been proven to be false a millions times over.

Even the Sheeple as dumb as they are have finally seen the light of you and your Oil Buds bullshit.
 

desy

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I don't see why adding capacity and resilience is ever a bad thing?
All oil/coal/gas/ethanol/deepwater drilling etc is dirty so really adding 1/100 of supply to the market isn't destroying the evironment
 

iGas

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Stop lying.

This has been proven to be false a millions times over.

Even the Sheeple as dumb as they are have finally seen the light of you and your Oil Buds bullshit.
Mcow, you would know sitting in your basement and have the answer to solve world hunger with out ever working in the field or held a job.

Thank you for educated me.
 

werepossum

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Article indicates 4-5 years to get it done.

They intend on utilizing some existing pipeline.

Each job generated outside of Alberta could have been a US job.
And the pipeline is longer than what wold be needed to get the crude to the US refineries.

Politics killed jobs.
The Alaska pipeline from the North Slope works in a harsher environment.
Yep. Not to mention, if things really go to hell and we can't get oil from Mexico and the rest of the world, it would certainly be nice to have a supply flowing through our nation.

nevermind old old post is very old.
Everything old is new again.

At least two refineries in the Beaumont/Port Arthur area are expanding to handle the increased oil from Cushing now the southern Keystone XL pipeline has been completed allowing midwest oil to reach the area.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/busin...e35abc-82bb-11e3-bbe5-6a2a3141e3a9_story.html
Wealth-producing jobs are always a national plus, even if we're producing more of a product than we need. Helps stem the outflow of wealth.
 

Stewox

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I don't understand what's the big deal about the Keystone XL pipeline expansion. We already have a Keystone pipeline from the tar sands in Canada over Nebraska and that crosses over the aquifer that is being quoted as the risk.

Can someone explain to me - without invoking partisan politics - why it's ok that the Keystone pipeline exists and is operational but an expansion of it is bad? I mean if people were honestly worried about the aquifer then how/why did the original pipeline get built?

And if someone invokes job-killing-democrats or oil-funded-republicans in their answer, I'll lose all faith in P&N and I'll go post the question at Reddit.


Here you go:
http://www.infowars.com/democrats-who-oppose-keystone-xl-pipeline-own-shares-in-competing-companies/
( original snapshot)


Basically the railway guys want the traffic (can't find a great video with deeper explanation, just forgot where i saw it)
 
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zinfamous

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Bumping this thread rather than starting thread #6 on the subject

Link

Looks like Canada is going to get the investment/jobs to create the pipeline instead of US workers as well as refining the crude.

Alberta to Newfoundland pipeline

what jobs? Building the extension amounts to a few hundred temporary, contracted positions until the pipeline is finished, and then maybe 1 dozen permanent positions to maintain the pipeline--as so much of this industry is completely automated.

You are really talking about a dozen jobs. Who gives a shit? The "jobs" FUD is the biggest lie about all of this.
 

zinfamous

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high speed rail is a boon doggle, money pit except for high density travel areas.

CA is a perfect example of waste.

You have to look at the passenger air miles between points to determine if it is effective.

Very few places outside of along the east coast or west toward chicagohave those numbers.

I don't get your point, here. At first you call it a boondoggle and California a waste...then you say it only makes sense in places like the east coast, Chicago....and California, where they are all currently being planned.

So, which is it?
 

cabri

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what jobs? Building the extension amounts to a few hundred temporary, contracted positions until the pipeline is finished, and then maybe 1 dozen permanent positions to maintain the pipeline--as so much of this industry is completely automated.

You are really talking about a dozen jobs. Who gives a shit? The "jobs" FUD is the biggest lie about all of this.

Those are jobs that presently do not exist.
 
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