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WelshBloke

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I wish there was still some place we could just send criminals like Australia. "You appear to be too dumb to live, therefore we sentence you to Australia. If you survive well then there was hope for you after-all, if not then no big loss"

That's what we used America for before we started using Australia.
 
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Humpy

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Hope the little punks and their families suffer for years from this.
 

brianmanahan

Lifer
Sep 2, 2006
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Punishment should be mandatory public caning or lashes, hard labor, and forced to join the military for discipline.

if i was the prosecutor i would push for the death penalty for the kid who threw it over, but michigan outlawed it back in 1847
 

clamum

Lifer
Feb 13, 2003
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Yeah heard about this on Michigan Radio this morning on the way to work. I think it's only a couple hours north of me where this took place.

Should line up the perps and continually boot them in the nuts until they're sterile, as a punishment.
 

Red Squirrel

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May 24, 2003
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Such idiots, this is beyond "just a prank". It would be one thing if they were throwing soft objects (not that it would be right) but throwing rocks is basically being cool with the idea that someone might get seriously injured.

They deserve whatever trouble they get into.
 

XavierMace

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I can see a 6 or 7 year old throwing rocks at a car and thinking it was OK. 15? Hell no. You don't need an adult at that age to tell you it's a bad idea.
 

SNC

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I don't know, can you parent your kid to be smart enough not to partake in this when "all their friends" are doing it? Would your kid just not go, would they simply leave the group?

Their life is pretty much over before it begins, with a ~15 year sentence. What a cloud over their parents' heads.
You seriously think that there is no way to teach your kids that throwing hard objects at people can cause serious harm and that it should not be done? Please tell me you never plan on having kids. This is behavior learned in the first few years of life. If you've fucked that up you have zero hope of your kid making it to 20 without being in jail at least once.
 

rh71

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You seriously think that there is no way to teach your kids that throwing hard objects at people can cause serious harm and that it should not be done? Please tell me you never plan on having kids. This is behavior learned in the first few years of life. If you've fucked that up you have zero hope of your kid making it to 20 without being in jail at least once.

I already said there is teaching right from wrong but there is no way to ensure they will comply. The point is there is no fool-proof way to parent, but you think there is. Like nobody's ever thrown a rock or baseball at someone in a moment of rage. What a joke you are. Oh right, this is the internet where everything is black and white.
 
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SNC

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I already said there is teaching right from wrong but there is no way to ensure they will comply. The point is there is no fool-proof way to parent, but you think there is. What a joke you are. Oh right, this is the internet.

You can not be serious. This is not a right and wrong issue, that might be where you might be tripping up on. Its a mater of life and death, literary. If you think you'll have a hard time raising kids that will not go out and knowing do something that might kill some one you really need to get your vas clipped ASAP. I'm not sure what teh Internet has to do with this.
 

rh71

No Lifer
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^ read the above edited. Rage or other uncontrolled factors has caused many people to be harmed. What does parenting have to do with controlling that? You can't control all variables, even kids who decide to forego logic when they're with their friends. How many kids do stupid things simply driving in a car with other kids?

I have two well-behaved boys, so what other put-downs will you think of next?

The internet - full of people who think it's all just black and white. The judgment-full zone. You're basically blaming parents for not doing their job when you know nothing of their upbringing. Kids did something dumb, the parents never taught them. Simple as that huh?
 
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SNC

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^ read the above edited. Rage or other uncontrolled factors has caused many people to be harmed. What does parenting have to do with controlling that? You can't control all variables, even kids who decide to forego logic when they're with their friends. How many kids do stupid things simply driving in a car with other kids?

The internet - full of people who think it's all just black and white.
There is a MASSIVE difference between doing something stupid and something fundamentally wrong like pointing a gun at someone and pulling the trigger, pushing someone down a flight of stairs, throwing fucking massive rocks at cars on the freeway. These kids were taught a lack of respect for others. Perhaps if they had actual parents, that 5 year old would sill have both of his. I say throw the book at them just as they did with rock and make sure the parents spend a little time behind bars too. Or are you trying to justify your lack of parenting skills?
 

rh71

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There is a MASSIVE difference between doing something stupid and something fundamentally wrong like pointing a gun at someone and pulling the trigger, pushing someone down a flight of stairs, throwing fucking massive rocks at cars on the freeway. These kids were taught a lack of respect for others. Perhaps if they had actual parents, that 5 year old would sill have both of his. I say throw the book at them just as they did with rock and make sure the parents spend a little time behind bars too. Or are you trying to justify your lack of parenting skills?

Dropping rocks at cars is not the same thing as pointing a gun at someone and pulling the trigger. That's the whole basis of your argument and it's not even true. You could throw a rock at someone standing still and that'd inflict more harm by chance/percentage than doing it to cars despite the velocity disparity (like kids would think that through). How many rocks did they drop exactly? Was it even 1 each? Maybe they were just thrill-seeking and didn't think anything would happen with 1 rock other than a dented roof. Again, not remotely close to pulling the trigger of a gun pointed at someone.

What lack of parenting skills am I exhibiting exactly by saying it's not always the parents' fault? Reach more.

P.S. Go on Youtube and you'll see a shitload of pranks or other hijinx worse than someone pushing someone down a flight of stairs. Not even close to as harmful as using a gun. And you're equating the two.
 
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SNC

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Dropping rocks at cars is not the same thing as pointing a gun at someone and pulling the trigger. That's the whole basis of your argument and it's not even true. You could throw a rock at someone standing still and that'd inflict more harm by chance/percentage than doing it to cars despite the velocity disparity. How many rocks did they drop exactly? Was it even 1 each? Maybe they were just thrill-seeking and didn't think anything would happen other than a dented roof. Again, not remotely close to pulling the trigger of a gun pointed at someone.

What lack of parenting skills am I exhibiting exactly? Reach more.

Seeing as how a father ended up dead, yes throwing of a rock, is exactly like firing a gun at someone. If the kids took a tank and drive over the car and killed the man, how is it any different, they killed a man because they have no morals. Rock, gun, tank, Drano pick your weapon sane outcome.

Have you taken a look at this little rock you think might only dent the hood, its fucking massive. That "rock" has to weigh 8 pounds.
I'm not sure that id be able to throw that rock at 65 miles an hour at someone, but if I could I would be pretty sure that if it hit his head he would have a pretty small chance of living through it.

If your trying to justify this as some 'boys will be boys' stunt then ya, you have parenting issues. This was not a fight in the schoolyard, theres a difference.
 
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rh71

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Seeing as how a father ended up dead, yes throwing of a rock, is exactly like firing a gun at someone. If the kids took a tank and drive over the car and killed the man, how is it any different, they killed a man because they have no morals. Rock, gun, tank, Drano pick your weapon sane outcome.

Have you taken a look at this little rock you think might only dent the hood, its fucking massive. That "rock" has to weigh 8 pounds.
I'm not sure that id be able to throw that rock at 65 miles an hour at someone, but if I could I would be pretty sure that if it hit his head he would have a pretty small chance of living through it.

If your trying to justify this as some 'boys will be boys' stunt then ya, you have parenting issues. This was not a fight in the schoolyard, theres a difference.

You're looking at the result. Which again points to the Internet monday-morning-quarterback factor. These boys when trying to decide right from wrong (or if they did that at all on this little adventure), did not likely feel they would kill someone by doing this, and so they went ahead. You're saying these same boys would willfully drive a tank over the guy's car while he's in it, or pour Drano down the man's throat KNOWING those things would kill him? Like I said before, reach more.

It's a lack of foresight issue, inhibited by being with other kids. Not a lack of morals because their parents never taught them. FFS.
 

SNC

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You're looking at the result. Which again points to Internet monday-morning-quarterback factor. These boys when trying to decide right from wrong (or if they did that at all on this little adventure), did not likely feel they would kill someone. You're saying these same boys would willfully drive a tank over the guy's car while he's in it, or pour Drano down the man's throat KNOWING those things would kill him? Like I said before, reach more.

Seriously have you looked at the rock? Is there ANYWAY someone can look at that as think for a minute that it would only do a little damage?
This is not a fucking pebble, if it had been I would agree with you. This was a MASSIVE rock! The had to know it would do a shit ton more damage than just a dent.

I'll add this; If this was my kid, he would be pleading guilty and accepting whatever punishment he was given. If that be prison, then so be it. My kids were raised to help others and to look out for those less able. They understand that actions have consequences, and that thought needs to be the first thing before action. And to answer your question, yes one of then did leave a group that were off to cause carnage. I got a call to come pick him up because he didn't want to partake. It is about how you bring them up. Mental disease aside, but your not claiming they are mental ill are you?
 
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rh71

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Seriously have you looked at the rock? Is there ANYWAY someone can look at that as think for a minute that it would only do a little damage?
This is not a fucking pebble, if it had been I would agree with you. This was a MASSIVE rock! The had to know it would do a shit ton more damage than just a dent.

Yes, and how many of the 5 boys threw them? It's perhaps 1 idiot because it would make him look cool. That's still not intent to murder someone, regardless of the chance that it would. It happened, they deserve whatever they get. And you would punish the parents because why again?
 

SNC

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Yes, and how many of the 5 boys threw them? It's perhaps 1 idiot because it would make him look cool. That's still not intent to murder someone, regardless of the chance that it would. It happened, they deserve whatever they get. And you would punish the parents because why again?

I'm sorry, there had to be intent. I cant believe you can look at that rock and believe that they did not want serous damage to happen. There had to be a ton of smaller rocks they could have thrown, and perhaps they had and those just didn't get the result they wanted. I wonder if you would be so willing to let them off if it were your spouse or family they killed.
 

whm1974

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Couldn't care less what color they are, what would it matter?
It doesn't. If was a large heavy rock(I didn't read the article), then I have to agree with SNC about intent. Those kids had to be well aware that such a object dropped from an overpass could very well cause death and with possibly more then one person.
 

SNC

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It doesn't. If was a large heavy rock(I didn't read the article), then I have to agree with SNC about intent. Those kids had to be well aware that such a object dropped from an overpass could very well cause death and with possibly more then one person.
The report I heard said about 6 pounds, the car was traveling at about 70. This was no pebble, it was a chunk of concrete.
 

whm1974

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The report I heard said about 6 pounds, the car was traveling at about 70. This was no pebble, it was a chunk of concrete.
At those speeds a raw potato will go through a windshield and do some serious damage to a person and very likely kill.
 
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