Killing animals "humanely" for meat makes no sense

[tokie]

I respect hunters, butchers and vegetarians.

Hunters and butchers know exactly how to go from an animal being alive to being on your plate.

Vegetarians generally avoid killing/eating animals.

It is the in-between people I don't get. People who expect a nice piece of meat but care about it being "free range" or "organic".

If you are going to eat meat, it makes no difference whether you treat an animal "humanely" or just lop off its head. It still ends up living a shortened life and being on your plate.

Can someone explain to me how killing animals "humanely" makes any sense?

 

[Spineshank]

Organic just means they aren't feeding it growth hormones. And free range just means they aren't stuffed into cages all day. Has nothing to do with how they are killed. Some people need to feel better about themselves though I guess.

 

[lxskllr]

IMO, animals should be treated with care and respect until they're harvested. Their lives should be good, and stress free. That rules out pretty much all commercial meat. I'm a hypocrite, and eat commercial meat, but not much of it.

From a personal perspective, I couldn't raise animals to eventually kill them. Once I'm charged with their care, it strikes me as duplicitous to kill them after making them rely on me for food and shelter. Hunting, I have no problem at all with. I have no connection to the animal, and I'm fulfilling my role as predator, while they play the role of prey.

 

[Matthiasa]

Well humanely treated animals tend to taste better since stress hormones can cause off flavors in the meat.

 

[Imp]

I just thank Jesus that I have someone doing the dirty work for me because I'd be a vegetarian otherwise -- I'd use livestock, their eggs and milk, maybe eat the meat when they die (this part probably isn't healthy).

 

[dank69]

I respect hunters, butchers and vegetarians.

Hunters and butchers know exactly how to go from an animal being alive to being on your plate.

Vegetarians generally avoid killing/eating animals.

It is the in-between people I don't get. People who expect a nice piece of meat but care about it being "free range" or "organic".

If you are going to eat meat, it makes no difference whether you treat an animal "humanely" or just lop off its head. It still ends up living a shortened life and being on your plate.

Can someone explain to me how killing animals "humanely" makes any sense?

It matters if you think suffering is an actual thing. If you don't think suffering is a thing you might be a psychopath.

 

[lxskllr]

I just thank Jesus that I have someone doing the dirty work for me because I'd be a vegetarian otherwise -- I'd use livestock, their eggs and milk, maybe eat the meat when they die (this part probably isn't healthy).

I've thought about getting chickens for the eggs, and then I think "WTF am I gonna do with chickens that don't lay?". The answer is have pet chickens. I don't want pet chickens, so that stops that idea. I know a guy who used to raise them, and when they stopped laying, he'd release them in a local park. That gets out of doing the dirty work, but I don't think letting the foxes take care of the "problem" is a moral answer. Give the birds a week or so of terror and confusion instead of just breaking their necks...

 

[Imp]

I've thought about getting chickens for the eggs, and then I think "WTF am I gonna do with chickens that don't lay?". The answer is have pet chickens. I don't want pet chickens, so that stops that idea. I know a guy who used to raise them, and when they stopped laying, he'd release them in a local park. That gets out of doing the dirty work, but I don't think letting the foxes take care of the "problem" is a moral answer. Give the birds a week or so of terror and confusion instead of just breaking their necks...

Eff the animals... Can't wait until we grow all this shit in a lab.

 

[Thebobo]

http://www.upc-online.org/experimentation/experimentalConclusion.htm
http://www.wired.com/2012/02/headless-chicken-solution/

The Headless Chicken Solution

Another scenario is getting rid of the birds’ heads. In 1993, Robert Burruss wrote an essay in The Baltimore Sun in which he predicted that the future of chicken and egg production will include birds “beheaded and hooked up en masse to industrial-scale versions of the heart-lung machines.” Since these birds won’t move, cages will be obsolete. Nutrients, hormones and metabolic stimulants will be fed “in superabundance into mechanically oxygenated blood to crank up egg production.” Since no digestive tract will be needed, “it can go when the head goes, along with the heart and lungs and the feathers, too. The naked headless, gutless chicken will crank out eggs till its ovaries burn out. When a sensor senses that no egg has dropped within the last four or six hours, the carcass will be released onto a conveyer, chopped, sliced, steamed and made into soup, burgers and dogfood” (Burruss).

 

[MagnusTheBrewer]

You kill animals humanely to show respect. Animals are a resource that should not be squandered, taken for granted or, exploited entirely for money.

 

[MrPickins]

You kill animals humanely to show respect. Animals are a resource that should not be squandered, taken for granted or, exploited entirely for money.

This. :thumbsup:

And the vast majority of hunters/farmers/ranchers understand this.

 

[luv2liv]

You kill animals humanely to show respect. Animals are a resource that should not be squandered, taken for granted or, exploited entirely for money.

look, if u r gonna eat animals, how do you draw a line between a pig and dog? and what's to stop you from eating monkeys and humans?
im not gonna go into animal ethics. but i became a vegan because im fortunate to have a choice.

 

[waggy]

I have hunted since i was 8.
I enjoy fresh meat as anyone.

One thing that pisses me off as a hunter is seeing a idiot take a shot where it just wounds the animal. If you don't have a kill shot don't take the fucking shot.

Same as animals we raise for food. what's wrong with trying to make the killing as painless as possible? or not torturing them during th elife.

 

[TallBill]

look, if u r gonna eat animals, how do you draw a line between a pig and dog? and what's to stop you from eating monkeys and humans?
im not gonna go into animal ethics. but i became a vegan because im fortunate to have a choice.

Do you know how many animals die to get plants on your plate? I'll give you a hint, its a shitload.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Well humanely treated animals tend to taste better since stress hormones can cause off flavors in the meat.

huh.......you smoking free rang or organic stuff???

 

[dave_the_nerd]

People who expect a nice piece of meat but care about it being "free range" or "organic".

I eat "free range" and "organic" meat because:

1) Anything that animal ate, I'm eating. Respect the food chain.
2) It tastes better. I don't care why. I pay slightly more money for a superior product.

If you are going to eat meat, it makes no difference whether you treat an animal "humanely" or just lop off its head. It still ends up living a shortened life and being on your plate.

Can someone explain to me how killing animals "humanely" makes any sense?

Because killing them inhumanely makes you an asshole? (Well, either that or you're a Chinese fur farmer.)

 

[Matthiasa]

huh.......you smoking free rang or organic stuff???

Neither, just saying it as it is.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PSE_meat

Also why do you think kobe beef cost so much?

 

[pete6032]

I'd use livestock, their eggs and milk, maybe eat the meat when they die (this part probably isn't healthy).

Would you put your mouth right on that udder and suck the milk out?

 

[soulcougher73]

I smell a psychopath in the making in the op

 

[dighn]

is the world black and white to you? do you honestly see no difference between killing something humanely vs causing unnecessary suffering?

 

[IamDavid]

I've been in the Food\Protein industry for over 10 years and can say without a doubt the killing of animal's for human consumption is 100X's more humane then them dying in the wild. Spend a week in the wild a see nature at its finest.

 

[alkemyst]

I respect hunters, butchers and vegetarians.

Hunters and butchers know exactly how to go from an animal being alive to being on your plate.

Vegetarians generally avoid killing/eating animals.

It is the in-between people I don't get. People who expect a nice piece of meat but care about it being "free range" or "organic".

If you are going to eat meat, it makes no difference whether you treat an animal "humanely" or just lop off its head. It still ends up living a shortened life and being on your plate.

Can someone explain to me how killing animals "humanely" makes any sense?

Death is always finite. The life leading up to that death can be infinite.

 

[darkswordsman17]

Do you know how many animals die to get plants on your plate? I'll give you a hint, its a shitload.

Yes, yes, and think of all the people that live tortuous lives and/or die just so you can live in a modern world.

If you grow your own food or partake in local sharecropping it's not difficult to have a very minimal impact on animal life. Unless you're talking about insects that have short lives anyway although a lot of those people tend to shy away from using pesticides so I don't think they're even being harsh to them. Hell if you setup a closed water grow system (not likely admittedly) but you very well could have almost no impact.

Neither, just saying it as it is.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PSE_meat

Also why do you think kobe beef cost so much?

Because it's a scam? Unless you're in Japan you're more likely just getting fleeced if you order something described as Kobe beef.

 

[alkemyst]

I've been in the Food\Protein industry for over 10 years and can say without a doubt the killing of animal's for human consumption is 100X's more humane then them dying in the wild. Spend a week in the wild a see nature at its finest.

I think you just went full retard.

What "food/protein" do you look at? Probably not Chickens.

 

[MongGrel]

more growling.