Kim Jong Il Confirmed Dead

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janas19

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He was an evil despot and I hope he rots in hell.

That said, I always find transition in situations like this kind of scary. NK is an incredibly benighted, ignorant country thanks to his hammerlock control, and I fear he might be succeeded by someone even worse.

Kind of like Japan before WWII. But look, a couple of atom bombs and a few decades later, and they have become all grown-up capitalists.

In conclusion, dropping atomic bombs on N. Korea is the probably the best solution to this situation. Those people are so starved and hard up they'll probably be happy to go anyway.
 

feralkid

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In conclusion, dropping atomic bombs on N. Korea is the probably the best solution to this situation. Those people are so starved and hard up they'll probably be happy to go anyway.


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I used a daisy-cutter to rid my yard of moles; probably the best solution, as moles are ugly and want to die.
 

DCal430

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Look at the people mourning on the streets, these are not fake tears, these are people in grief. His people truly loved him, just ask anyone who has visited NK, they really did love him.
 

DCal430

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Those of you who are celebrating his death, would you have mind if Bush had died in office and other people celebrated.
 

Born2bwire

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Look at the people mourning on the streets, these are not fake tears, these are people in grief. His people truly loved him, just ask anyone who has visited NK, they really did love him.

Haha. You are a treasure.
 

UberNeuman

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Those of you who are celebrating his death, would you have mind if Bush had died in office and other people celebrated.

I'm kind of hoping for a Khomeini-type funeral procession in which the body is dropped to the ground and is kicked about like a soccer ball...

\i'm funny that way...
 

Hayabusa Rider

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Those of you who are celebrating his death, would you have mind if Bush had died in office and other people celebrated.

Let me guess, you like Josef Mengele because he provided healthcare. Btw we have about 300 million people in the US. I'm missing where Bush caused the deaths equivalent to perhaps 80 million of those by starvation. Your boy certainly showed us how it's done.
 
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yllus

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ccsNr9UJeVY

Legit or fake?

I guess there's 2 sad parts:

1) If this indeed is real, is this how you want to be portrayed? When our nation was engulfed in the 9/11 tragedy, did we show endless footage of tears? And if it's real, dang I guess its sad they're so brainwashed.

2) If this is indeed fake, why the fuck would you show footage of a bunch of crying people only. Sure crying is fine, but aren't you going to have some people talking the leaders up and saying some words of praise? How does showing endless tears make you remember your leader more? Shrug.

Showing only footage of your fellow citizens crying is specifically done to reinforce the infantilization of the North Korean populace. The deceased Dear Leader and the State in general are made out to be the ultimate father figure. It appears to have been a superior form of propaganda to straightforward indoctrination into communism.

The Atlantic - Mother of All Mothers

Kim Il Sung's title Eobeoi Suryeong means not "Fatherly Leader"—a common rendering that encourages Martin to exaggerate the influence of Confucianism on the personality cult—but "Parent Leader," the most feminine title the regime could get away with. As the country's visual arts make clear, Kim was more a mother to his people than a stern Confucian patriarch: he is still shown as soft-cheeked and solicitous, holding weeping adults to his expansive bosom, bending down to tie a young soldier's bootlaces, or letting giddy children clamber over him. The tradition continues under Kim Jong Il, who has been called "more of a mother than all the mothers in the world." His military-first policy may come with the title of general, but reports of his endless tour of army bases focus squarely on his fussy concern for the troops' health and comfort. The international ridicule of his appearance is thus as unfair as it is tedious. Anyone who has seen a crowd of Korean mothers waiting outside an examination hall will have no difficulty recognizing Kim's drab parka and drooping shoulders, or the long-suffering face under the pillow-swept perm: this is a mother with no time to think of herself.

When it comes to the Workers' Party, the symbolism is even more explicit, as in this recent propaganda poem:

Ah, Korean Workers' Party, at whose
breast only
My life begins and ends
Be I buried in the ground or strewn
to the wind
I remain your son, and again return to
your breast!
Entrusting my body to your
affectionate gaze,
Your loving outstretched hand,
I cry out forever in the voice of a child,
Mother! I can't live without Mother!

It's easy to imagine what Carl Jung would have made of all this, and he would have been right. Whereas Father Stalin set out to instill revolutionary consciousness into the masses (to make them grow up, in other words), North Korea's Mother Regime appeals to the emotions of a systematically infantilized people. Although the propaganda may seem absurd at a remove, it speaks more forcefully to the psyche than anything European communism could come up with. As a result, North Korea's political culture has weathered the economic collapse so well that even refugees remain loyal to the memory of Kim Il Sung.

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It would appear that Kim knows just enough. The border with China remains so porous that even children often sneak back and forth, and yet no more than three or four percent of the population has chosen to flee for good. The regime obviously did the smart thing by publicly acknowledging the food shortage and then blaming it on American sanctions, instead of pretending there was no food shortage at all, as Stalin used to do. The Dear Leader has also deftly exploited the tradition according to which Koreans care for their parents in old age: the masses are told that it is their job to feed him, not the other way around, and his famed diet of "whatever the troops are eating" is routinely invoked to shame everyone into working harder. Never has a dictator been such an object of pity to his people, or such a powerful source of guilt. In 2003 North Korean cheerleaders, living it up on a rare visit to a sports event in the South, responded to a rain-soaked picture of Kim by bursting into a hysterical lament that baffled their hosts.

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Kim must also be aware that the infantilization of the people has come at a price. Away from Pyongyang's carefully monitored tourist sites, North Korea is a much more raucous place than any dictator could be comfortable with. "One surprising thing," Michael Breen writes in Kim Jong Il: North Korea's Dear Leader (2004), "surprising because you expect robots, is … how frequently fights break out." According to refugees, even women fight out their differences, and young female teachers are said to hit children the hardest. This lack of restraint is a problem for many North Koreans trying to adjust to life in the South. Social workers complain that the refugees pick fights with strangers, and storm off jobs on the first day. "I'd have thought they'd be better at controlling themselves, coming from a socialist system," is a common lament.
 
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crashtestdummy

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Those of you who are celebrating his death, would you have mind if Bush had died in office and other people celebrated.

He was the head of an ultra-nationalist cult. Of course they cried. I'm sure some of it is real, as their prophet just died. Although there was also a lot of pressure by the government to for the populace to give the appearance of grief when Kim Il-Sung died.

North Korea is pretty much the epitome of the Orwellian society. All those things in 1984 that you thought were so weird they couldn't happen? They're in full bloom there.

http://www.vice.com/the-vice-guide-to-travel/vice-guide-to-north-korea-1-of-3
 
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Does anyone know what's the hardest material in the world besides diamond? After seeing people in this thread humoring DCal430 for 4 pages, I feel like banging my head against something really tough and I don't think reinforced concrete is gonna do it...
 

mammador

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I don't care in honesty, I didn't know the guy and he didn't touch my life.

I think though that as morals are subjective, then it lends to us in the West not demonising North Korea for their "immoral" political system.
 

Perknose

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I don't care in honesty, I didn't know the guy and he didn't touch my life.

Yes, he did. Very directly. He reached right into your pocketbook; you're just too uninformed to know that.


I think though that as morals are subjective, then it lends to us in the West not demonising North Korea for their "immoral" political system.

He let several million of his own people DIE OF STARVATION while he diverted his state's resources to the building of craptastic nuclear weapons and missiles.

Just how subjective are your morals that they can even begin to think this craven act of genocide against the most vulnerable of his own citizens wasn't immoral?
 

bfdd

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Nope. Morals are absolute. Many people deciding to not follow said morals has been proven as a fact throughout human history.

right and wrong are subjective.

though the man was a monster and obviously evil. anyone who is so anti-human progress as that man is the definition of such.
 

cybrsage

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right and wrong are subjective.

Nope, they are absolute. Right and left are subjective, though.

though the man was a monster and obviously evil. anyone who is so anti-human progress as that man is the definition of such.

Allowing so many to starve so he can build more missles for which he has no need is horrible. We definately agree.
 
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