Kim Jong Il Confirmed Dead

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bfdd

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Nope, they are absolute. Right and left are subjective, though.



Allowing so many to starve so he can build more missles for which he has no need is horrible. We definately agree.

I disagree with you on that. For instance in another thread you think drugs are wrong, which means you believe they are immoral, why else would you wish to outlaw them? I on the other hand believe it's arbitrary to treat anything we put into our bodies differently than the next. Just like I disagree with PETA about killing animals being immoral due to them having a consciousness or "intelligence", I believe their definitions of those are wrong(lols immoral if you will).
 

cybrsage

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Right and wrong are not subjective. Our desire to do what is right is subjective. A man can believe it is right to murder someone, but that does not mean it is right. It is still wrong regardless of his view on the matter. (note, I used murder since it is something universally agreed upon)

Morality is simply conforming to right conduct. Immorality is not conforming to right conduct. Our views on what is right and wrong are irrelevant to what is actually right and wrong. Our views, though, are quite relevant to the amount of effort we expend to be moral.
 

Nebor

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I on the other hand believe it's arbitrary to treat anything we put into our bodies differently than the next.

So to you, huge black cocks = raisin bran = meth?


Please find a less offensive way to make your point.

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mammador

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right and wrong are subjective.

though the man was a monster and obviously evil. anyone who is so anti-human progress as that man is the definition of such.

Evil doesn't exist. He did as he did.
 

mammador

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Right and wrong are not subjective. Our desire to do what is right is subjective. A man can believe it is right to murder someone, but that does not mean it is right. It is still wrong regardless of his view on the matter. (note, I used murder since it is something universally agreed upon)

Morality is simply conforming to right conduct. Immorality is not conforming to right conduct. Our views on what is right and wrong are irrelevant to what is actually right and wrong. Our views, though, are quite relevant to the amount of effort we expend to be moral.

Right conduct cannot be defined.
 

cybrsage

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There is no evidence to suggest they are. Anything is acceptable in life.

Evil doesn't exist. He did as he did.

Right conduct cannot be defined.

You are right in that evil does not exist. Evil is simply the absense of good. In that way, it is like cold and dark. Cold is the absense of heat and dark is the absense of light. Cold and dark do not actually exist, they are simply words we use to describe the absense of something. Evil is just like that, it is the absense of good.

Not everything is acceptable in life and right conduct can easily be defined.
 

bfdd

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Evil doesn't exist. He did as he did.

Uh actually you're fucking wrong. Maybe the philosophical definition of evil is up for debate, but there are other definitions to the word and uses. Kim Jong Il absolutely fits the definition of evil, as a harmful, irritable little man who did nothing but injure his own people. That's evil. You want to debate the meaning of words now?
 

Braznor

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Much of the things we call evil is just borne out of ignorance and the rest that's left is pure insanity.
 

EagleKeeper

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Where is the determination; it is a subjective moral issue. Where is the line in the sand that one can determine if crossed?
You can find most of it here:

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Mark 92&version=NLT

(the search for a chapter that does not exist brings up a list of every book and chapter, makes it easier for me ).

A religious text is considered to be the line in the sand.
The text is a persons interpretation of something

Quite a few religions out there. I wonder if they all state the same. If not; why is one supposedly the "source" or absolute?
 

BoberFett

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A religious text is considered to be the line in the sand.
The text is a persons interpretation of something

Quite a few religions out there. I wonder if they all state the same. If not; why is one supposedly the "source" or absolute?

Because god said so? His god of course, not that other guys god. His god is real, all those other religions gods are fake. God told him so.

Wow, my head is spinning...
 

Orignal Earl

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Kim Jong Il: Top 10 weird facts about N Korea's late leader

Kim was just born 2000 years too late.
If he had lived back then, someone would of wrote down all his miracles and cybrsage would be quoting The gospel of Jong.
 
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EagleKeeper

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One additional legacy

Kim Jong Il's death leaves the Korean peninsula and the rest of East Asia in a period of great uncertainty. But one of Kim Jong Il's most dangerous legacies has security implications well beyond the region: he leaves behind a thriving nuclear weapons export business that must now be stopped.
There has been mounting evidence in recent years that North Korea has set up an illicit nuclear export business to Syria, Iran and potentially elsewhere. Syria's Al-Kibar nuclear reactor, which was bombed by Israeli warplanes in 2007, closely resembled a North Korean facility used to produce plutonium for bombs, and one western diplomat told me that several senior North Korean technicians were killed in the raid. (See photos of Syria's nuclear reactor destroyed in 2007.)
North Korea and Iran's sharing of technology for missiles that could be used to deliver nuclear warheads is so extensive that some analysts say it is only appropriate to view it as operationally a joint missile program. No one knows if North Korea is also helping Iran with nuclear weapons design, and it's possible it has other, yet-to-be-detected clients as well.
North Korea shares little similarity or ideology with Syria or Iran; its dealings are largely profit-driven. For its clients, DPRK provides a black market to purchase sensitive nuclear technology without detection by the international community. The nightmare scenario is that Pyongyang would even sell fissile material -- the key ingredient for nuclear bombs -- to terrorists if the price is right.

While the last may not be likely directly; the fact that such technology is moving into hands of terrorist supporters can enable the possibility of "slipups". Material itself can be dangerous as demonstrated in multiple countries that have had industrial accidents.
 

CrackRabbit

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/facepalm

Oh good, a religious nutjob. Arguing with this one is pointless.

It took you guys this long to realize this?
Almost everything that guy has posted has been "literal interpretation of the bible goes here, and you are wrong because of it".
You're getting rusty Bober and Eagle.
 
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