Kingston 512MB PC3200 HyperX - $90 @ outpost.com

[sleepeeg3]

I'm thinking the latest rebate will work, because they may have run out of stock of the KHX3200 (as ironic as that sounds) and switched to the "actual" KXH3200A that they should have been selling.

*shrug*

I hope that's not the case, because I was trying to finnegle another stick...

The only thing I'm sure of is they suck either way.

So did anyone who orderd RAM after Sunday receive there's yet?

 

[Zero Plasma]

HOT

 

[gururu]

I got the non-A stuff. it runs at 200MHz @ 2-2-2-5 If I overclock my cpu though and set the ratio to 5:4, my cpu limits won't let me take the memory over 195MHZ @ 2-2-2-5. At a ratio of 1:1 and a low cpu overclock, the BH-5 won't even let me have 210 MHz. I'm a little bummed.

 

[Maximoff]

Ordered Monday, got mine today, received the "A" version so no BH-5 for me.

I was going to use these in a moderately overclocked system with a socket 754 AMD 64/3200 and the DFI Lanparty board, still good enough for that or should I return and get something else?

 

[DaveX]

Originally posted by: sleepeeg3
^ Which doesn't surprise me. Winbond switched to CH-5 because of incompatabilities with BH-5.

Winbond switched to making BH-5/BH-6 to CH-5/CH-6 using a smaller 130nm process was because it was cheaper to manufacture.

These are obviously refurb KHX3200/512 BH-5 sticks. If they do 2-2-2- @ 240MHz 3.3V, it will be very good.

I think I remember that an OCForums member or Futuremark member e-mailed Fry's and confirmed it was refurb KHX3200/512. They aren't trying to deny it like CompuVest does.

Not going to jump on this deal like I originally thought. Better to wait and get some PQI Turbo or G.Skill TCCD ram when I go A64.

 

[Sacrilicious]

I just got mine (ordered Monday) and it's a retail box brand-spanking-new KHX3200A/512R like raulinigo... No soup for me...:shocked:

 

[ferrarifreak93]

one of my sticks had a white sticker on one side that said:

Beim Entgernan dises Aufklebers Gewghrleistunfsverlust

WTF?

 

[Marauder-]

Originally posted by: ferrarifreak93
one of my sticks had a white sticker on one side that said:

Beim Entgernan dises Aufklebers Gewghrleistunfsverlust

WTF?

Looks like that might have been hand picked from their German fabrication factory. LOL

Oh yeah, couldn't help it - I jumped in on this today. Seems to be the best bang / buck - vs the other deal (Corsair Value @ $170)

 

[Lanyap]

Originally posted by: PhilipPip
I purchased this memory a couple weeks ago from Outpost.com. Like others, I was shipped 'KHX3200/512', though I've not tested it yet so am ignorant of whether it carries BH5 chips. There appear to be very slight abrasions in the middle of the heat spreader (used, refurbished module?). If this memory runs properly, however, I probably would give serious consideration to buying another DIMM.

However, the rebate situation is very odd, and might in fact expose Outpost's loose way with the facts (especially if the rebate must be approved by Kingston). As reported in previous posts, the rebate form applies to 'ValueRAM' and includes a photo of a DIMM sans memory spreader. More likely to prove a complication: the rebate form does list 'KHX3200A/512R'. However, most of us have been receiving 'KHX3200/512', which may not fulfil the rebate criteria. Certainly the UPC listed on the rebate form ('740617079456') does not match the UPC on my received memory ('740617071733'). I may write Outpost and Kingston this afternoon and ask them to clarify the situation.

To consider: whatever one might think of HyperX v other premium memory brands, this has been for some time a suspiciously cheap price for KHX3200A or KHX3200. What the ah heck is going on? Is this altogether legit? Are we all being misled into buying used / refurbished memory? Regardless of its actual quality, refurbished technology products should always be labelled as such. I am beginning to harbour grave doubts regarding Outpost...

If you google the two UPCs you find that 740617079456 can only be found on Outposts's rebate form. UPC 740617071733 has about 10 hits and appears to be correct for this RAM.

 

[Foladar]

I spoke with someone with Kingston, she stated that if you want your rebate you need to call Outpost and have them exchange it for the correct RAM.

 

[PhilipPip]

To those of you who actually received KHX3200A memory: what UPC did you find on your packaging?

 

[PhilipPip]

Well, I tattled on our favourite retailer to Kingston in a fairly detailed email. Of course, Outpost is now shipping the advertised memory, ha. Anyhow, the text of their response follows. It pretty much confirms what forum participants have figured out on their own.

* * * * * * * *

I have seen this once before. I have forwarded your email to our sales
department so they can decide what to do about it.

Here are some things I can tell you. The KHX3200 and KHX3200A parts are
slightly different. The KHX3200 has more aggressive timings and these
timings load at default. This can cause problems in some machines that
can't handle these timings. The KHX3200A was redesigned so that less
aggressive timings would load at default and you would have to manually set
them to get the optimal timings for the memory modules.

The KHX3200 parts have been discontinued. If the parts sold by this
retailer are genuine Kingston parts, they would be covered under our
warranty. But, because we no longer make the parts, they would have to come
in for testing and repair as opposed to replacement. We would not be able
to replace them with a different part number.

The packaging these parts come in is not Kingston packaging. Any module we
package, whether the part is brand new or returned by a customer for some
reason, is rigorously tested and repackaged in a black clamshell package
with a clear top and sealed with a sticker with our part number on it. This
is true for all of our memory regardless of the part.

If the warranty is for ValueRam, HyperX is not covered. ValueRam are
generic modules built to industry standard specifications for the memory
type (KVR400 memory is built to the industry standard for DDR400 memory).
Although HyperX is considered generic memory, it is not built to industry
standards (timings are too aggressive for that) and thus is not considered
ValueRam.

I hope this clears up any confusion. Thank you for all the information
about this retailer. As I said, I will forward this information to my
superiors so they can evaluate it and take the appropriate action.

Best regards,
Glenn Neumeister
US Technical Support
Kingston Technology

 

[Foladar]

Yeah, I spoke with Kingston and got the above aswell. She told me to go after Outpost, get the one with "A" and have them exchange...and gave me her address to send my rebate infos to when it's all settled. They said these parts are discontinued as of Dec 03

 

[mope54]

ordered monday and received today: 'A' type.

I don't understand why some people ordered this knowing (hoping) that they would receive something other than what they ordered, and then complain when they got what they wanted.


I don't know if I'm going to keep the two sticks that I got-still haven't decided. This was probably a good deal, but not great. I guess that memory seems to be going up now, though, not down in price but I haven't been paying attention. I know some people really track this kind of stuff, so any insight as to whether I should keep them is appreciated (I have an nf7-s 1.2).

 

[russr]

CH-5 which is the 3200 followed by the "A" is great RAM and has very good timings if you want to run at 200mhz or close to it. IF you're a serious overclocker, CH-5 is not very good. Some people have gotten it overclock well, but in general it doesn't overclock well especially on nforce2 boards with cpc on.

So as to whether you should keep this ram or not, you need to decide if you want to overclock big time or not. If you don't then keep it, otherwise sell it and get something better with Samsung TCCD chips.

EDIT: Would they still be selling BH-5 had we not complained that it wasn't 3200A? The $10 that you wouldn't get in the rebate is well worth the price for BH-5 chips. CH-5 sucks compared to BH-5.

 

[mope54]

Originally posted by: russr
CH-5 which is the 3200 followed by the "A" is great RAM and has very good timings if you want to run at 200mhz or close to it. IF you're a serious overclocker, CH-5 is not very good. Some people have gotten it overclock well, but in general it doesn't overclock well especially on nforce2 boards with cpc on.

So as to whether you should keep this ram or not, you need to decide if you want to overclock big time or not. If you don't then keep it, otherwise sell it and get something better with Samsung TCCD chips.

EDIT: Would they still be selling BH-5 had we not complained that it wasn't 3200A? The $10 that you wouldn't get in the rebate is well worth the price for BH-5 chips. CH-5 sucks compared to BH-5.

Thank you for the info. I buy stuff with the intention of overclocking, but never really get around to it! So I end up with fairly fast equipment for not too expensive! haha, thank you very much for the information.

EDIT: of course, it's interesting to note: wouldn't the refurbs be from dealsearchers (like here and other forums) and overclockers finding these particular (not BH-5's in general) chips to be poor perfomers? So the BH-5's that people got might be known poor performers and suck, too.

 

[estew33]

Originally posted by: 1luckymf
Ordered this weekend and received the KHX3200/512, not the KHX3200A/512. It has BH5 chips. Also ordered 4 of the 256 and they all had BH5 chips also. Items were shipped from Ohio warehouse.

Too bad they have a limit of one per household

How are you able to tell they are bh5 chips
ed

 

[PhilipPip]

It did half occur to me that whingeing about the KHX3200A v nonA might reduce the 'heat' of this deal. On the other hand, even though $90 is a great price for BH5-bearing KHX3200, I was not best pleased by Outpost sending refurbished memory. At $90 (or $80) I'd rather receive new, working KHX3200A (still a good price -- $140 - 150 at most retailers) than questionable KHX3200. Please bear in mind that as KHX3200 is no longer being produced, if you have to return your memory to Kingston, they will only 'repair' the memory, not replace (how they do that without a supply of BH5 chips, I dunno).

I am inclined, however, to agree with the speculation posted above: that Outpost was liquidating their stock of refurbished KHX3200 that was lying about. It's probably been exhausted so now they are sending actual KHX3200A. I suspect this means the low-price KHX3200A deal will also be terminated presently.

I would -not- order at this time if you are counting on getting KHX3200 (BH5). Myself, I just want qualite memory that will run at 200 MHz (I am overclocking an Athlon XP 2500+ to 3200+) and do not intend to go over 200 MHz, so CH5 chips would probably be sufficient. If you want to overclock > 200 MHz and use aggressive timings, at this point do not go in for this deal. If you have no idea what the rest of us are talking about, go in for this deal if you need good PC3200 memory. At this price the HyperX costs almost the same as PC3200 ValueRAM at many retailers.

 

[PhilipPip]

According to Kingston, Outpost ordered KHX3200 memory from them and then later KHX3200A and most likely have them linked to the same PLU.

From: ###@Kingston.com
Subject: Re: legitimacy of third-party Kingston memory sales and warranty
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 09:11:36 -0700

Dear Sir -

It sounds like there are 2 issues at hand.  First, receiving refurbished
modules.  Kingston does not countenance ANY of our retailers to sell
refurbished memory.

Secondly, it sounds like an incorrect part is being sold.  The KHX3200/512
was previously ordered by this retailer.  This part has since been
discontinued and the KHX3200A/512R has been ordered into this retailer more
recently.  It sounds like they have attached both part #'s to the same
PLU#.  This is a retailer error - not Kingston, but I will contact our
buyer to bring this issue to his attention.

Kingston does honor "lifetime" warranty on any deffective DRAM modules.  If
it is a wrong part issue, you will want to contact the retailer to swap or
get the correct module.

You are correct in that the rebate is valid for the "A" part only.
Submissions for the KHX3200/512 will be denied.

 

[user1234]

repost !

 

[imported_amx]

can anyone confirm the timings for the A module. I just recieved it and want to overclock my pc

 

[PhilipPip]

KHX3200A: realistically 2-3-3-6 is what you should try at 200 MHz (officially it is 2-3-2-6, and some people can do it). SPD will set the memory to CL 2.5 (on some motherboards even 3!). Manually adjust it yourself, but 2-3-3-6 ought to work on a decent board at 2.6V. You're very unlikely to achieve over 200 MHz with these HyperX modules. With 'current' HyperX, you'd probably have to get the KHX3200UL or something above PC3200 for >200 MHz and aggressive timings.

 

[fastcuda]

I got 4 of the 256 sticks and 1 of the 512 sticks, all bh-5 and all running smooth at 2-2-2-5@202 2.9volts, non a versions in the clear plastic cases, looked and smelled brand new to me, ymmv

 

[Foladar]

Yeah, mine looked new not refurb..I got the non A version aswell.

 

[user1234]

I just received the A version, which does seem to have SPD of 2.5 at 200MHz, but I don't really care as I'm running it at 166MHz (DDR333) with 2-2-2-5. It's running great, which makes the nForce2 IGP chipset (w/integrated GeForce MX 400) finally to be stable (it has problems with slower memory). I can't wait to send the rebate and get my $10 bucks !!!

And for the record, mine was 100% new, not refurbished, re-manufactured, re-packaged or whatever. Just brand new, plain and simple.