[KitGuru] AMD readies three new GPUs: Greenland, Baffin and Ellesmere

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AMD’s code-named “Arctic Islands” family of products will include three brand-new chips – “Greenland”, “Baffin” and “Ellesmere” – a source with knowledge of AMD plans said. The “Greenland” will be the new flagship offering for performance enthusiasts, whereas the “Baffin” and “Ellesmere” will target other market segments, such as high-end and mainstream. It is unclear whether the “Arctic Islands” family will take in any existing products, but it is possible that AMD may address certain markets with previous-gen products.

The “Greenland” graphics processor will rely on the second-generation high-bandwidth memory (HBM), so expect ultra-high-end graphics cards and professional solutions with up to 32GB of DRAM onboard with bandwidth of up to 1TB/s. Consumer-class “Greenland”-based products will likely come with 8GB – 16GB of memory. Due to usage of HBM, expect the “Greenland” chip and upcoming graphics cards on its base to resemble the currently available AMD Radeon R9 Fury-series adapters.
The number of transistors inside the “Greenland” as well as its die size are unknown. Since 14nm/16nm FinFET manufacturing technologies have considerably (up to 90 per cent) higher transistor density than contemporary TSMC’s 28nm fabrication process, it is logical to expect that the new flagship product will feature 15 – 18 billion of elements if it retains around 600mm² die size from the “Fiji”.
It is believed that AMD has already taped-out its “Greenland” graphics processing unit and is about to get the first silicon in the coming weeks.

Source: http://www.kitguru.net/components/g...gpus-for-2016-greenland-baffin-and-ellesmere/
 

Ancalagon44

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None of it is really news. I mean, we all knew that AMD was working on new cards (when would they not be?)

What I would be really interested in is dates.
 
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None of it is really news. I mean, we all knew that AMD was working on new cards (when would they not be?)

What I would be really interested in is dates.

The date can be extrapolated IF the tape out info is correct.

3 months for the typical QA. If all goes well, it goes into production. If it needs redesigns, add 3 months to the schedule with each respins.
 

Blitzvogel

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All the new cards really need is DX12 compatibility and maybe increased on-GPU cache. That is Maxwell's secret sawce, since it greatly mitigates the need for higher amounts of bandwidth, and with it, reduces board power consumption.

I do wonder if HBM2 will be come the norm across the mid and upper range of cards, as there is still alot of life left in GDDR5 at the low and mid range. What really has to happen is a whole new lot of GPUs, no more rebrands as the 5000 series was the last true completely new line up. The only justified rebrand I would say is Oland or Cape Verde at the lowest end tier just to cover that price point. 1024 and 2048 SP parts should stick to GDDR5 where affordability is a factor whereas 3072 and a 4096 SP parts are the only GPU SP counts (with appropriate binned parts) where I think HBM2 makes any sense, unless HBM2 really costs the same compared to GDDR5 when all is said and done.

Also, depending on what the binning situation looks like in terms of leakage and efficiency, AMD could get away with having only 3 actual GPU designs thanks to appropriate binnings.
 
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All the new cards really need is DX12 compatibility and maybe increased on-GPU cache. That is Maxwell's secret sawce, since it greatly mitigates the need for higher amounts of bandwidth, and with it, reduces board power consumption.

I some times wonder if HBM1 was a poisoned chalice for AMD.
 
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I some times wonder if HBM1 was a poisoned chalice for AMD.

It would be if they did all that and got no advantage out of it compared to NV, ie. if they let NV have it easy, free, at the same time, etc.

But if they do get first dibs, then its an advantage next-gen.
 

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I am interested in the Ellesmere. Either that or the 950.
 
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NTMBK

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Please, please let one of these be a replacement for Pitcairn. That chip needs to put out to pasture.
 

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It would be if they did all that and got no advantage out of it compared to NV, ie. if they let NV have it easy, free, at the same time, etc.

But if they do get first dibs, then its an advantage next-gen.

Of course, but gambling with the current line up.

It would be nice to see AMD release a GDDR5 type fury card, a 970 killer, capitalising on the poor release of the 970.

One of AMD's metas seems to be anticipating the market...at the expense of the current generation.
 

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After 4 years of nothing but rebrands from BOTH parties, I don't like to see even one rebrand. Don't care if its $50 part or $200 part, no more rebrands.

They better create new GPU's for all markets and they all better be 50% faster than the ones they are replacing.

A new R5 460 should be 50% faster than the R7 360, same for R7 370, R9 380, whatever...
 

Ancalagon44

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They might not bother with refreshing the low end cards since I'm sure APUs are killing that market anyway.
 

Glo.

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So if everything works for AMD and GloFo 14 nm GPU like R9 480 will have 3584 GCN cores with 4 GB of HBM?

And 600 mm2 GPU will have 8192 GCN cores?
 

railven

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I'm just going to take this post like I do the ones over in the CPU section. Again, at this point AMD should be ruling the world with their PR statements.

It's been a long time since they've actually validated their own claims.
 

DarkKnightDude

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I'm just going to take this post like I do the ones over in the CPU section. Again, at this point AMD should be ruling the world with their PR statements.

It's been a long time since they've actually validated their own claims.

This isn't even a PR statement by AMD, its an article talking about the names of their upcoming GPUs. Doesn't even talk about performance.

Anyways, yeah wouldn't surprise me if they rebadge the 380s as 470s next up.
 

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All products are being "readied" until they are either released or cancelled. Just need to wait and see, no point in speculating now.
 

Headfoot

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Of course, but gambling with the current line up.

It would be nice to see AMD release a GDDR5 type fury card, a 970 killer, capitalising on the poor release of the 970.

One of AMD's metas seems to be anticipating the market...at the expense of the current generation.

AMD had a 970 killer as soon as the Tri-X 290 hit $250 and less
 

Blitzvogel

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They might not bother with refreshing the low end cards since I'm sure APUs are killing that market anyway.

We just need to reevaluate what we consider a "Low end card".

A New 768 SP/128 bit GDDR5 GPU makes a ton of sense as an entry level dedicated graphics card, especially if it has every home theatre bell and whistle available like HDMI 2.0, full 4K support, etc, etc. It would have to be low profile and not need external power. 1+ GHz large board versions would serve entry level PC gaming, but it has to be on the same level as the GTX 950 I think to be worth anything.
 

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$100 cards still vastly outperform any IGP, even Iris Pro,
so yes, AMD could use a new midrange GPU for $100-200
add HEVC, HDMI 2.0 and better performance than the 260x, but lower power than the 270x or 380, and I think you have something to compete with the 750 ti and 950.
 

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Do we have a source on AMD having "first priority" on HBM2?
No. But you'll be smattered with tons of allusions and hints that AMD will have it first.... until they don't, or Nvidia has it at the same time (which is the likely scenario. Nvidia will be purchasing a whole lot more HBM2 than AMD will be, so Hynix will likely see the bigger dollar amounts from sheer volume as a "Let's take care of them first" point of view. What business wouldn't..? Maybe another company will get dibs over the both of them. Who knows.
Anyway, please don't get swallowed by the BS hype this time around. That would be refreshing. (not singling you or anyone out, but a message to all.)
 
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