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mv2devnull

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Me too. I'm going octo-SLI with quad 4960X and a terabyte of RAM this time, how about you?
Depends on inches. The rig specs must stay between the e and rl (peens) in size.

However, I have colleagues who use more than terabyte of RAM, so the QPI and IMC of 4960X simply don't play ball in the league.
 

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September 1st, 2014 at 7:10 pm - Author Matthew Wilson

Nvidia has announced that it will be hosting a 24 hour event on the 18th of September called Game24, the goal is simple- to celebrate PC gaming. The company will be live streaming content from events set up in London, Los Angeles, Shanghai, Stockholm as well as other locations.
If you would like to go to one of the physical locations for this event then you will have to sign up for entry and hope you get in, it appears to all be on the house so you won’t have to pay anything to get in if you’re selected.

The company will be promoting the event with a count down of gaming’s biggest moments up until the 18th. Nvidia has yet to post information on what will be happening at its event locations, although the company has promised giveaways, game reveals and developer interviews, which will be viewable on the live stream.Nvidia is also rumored to announce its next series of graphics cards this month based on the Maxwell architecture.
http://www.kitguru.net/gaming/matthew-wilson/nvidia-to-host-24-hour-pc-gaming-event-this-month/

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MSI teases GeForce GTX 980/970 Gaming with Twin Frozr V

http://videocardz.com/51457/msi-teases-geforce-gtx-980970-gaming-twin-frozr-v

Over at the Asian based mydrivers website a new render popped up slightly teasing the new MSI new MSI TwinFrozr V cooler. The cooler is based on a big dual-stack aluminum fin heat-sink led by five 8 mm thick nickel-plated copper heat pipes. The fans will become bigger at two 100 mm fans.

MSI is rumored to be innovating a new impeller design that steps up air-flow to noise ratio. Well, we'll have to wait and see if the upcoming Maxwell series graphics card released later this month will have this new cooler. Here's the render. Also added some concept photos taken at Computex which look quite a bit different, courtesy of Computerbase.

http://www.guru3d.com/news-story/teaser-image-of-new-msi-twinfrozr-v-cooler.html
 
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Fastx

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We are very close to GeForce GTX 900 series announcement. Yet the amount of leaks is not very overwhelming.

Thankfully, Gibbo from OverclockersUK spilled some beans about GTX 980 and GTX 970. According to him NVIDIA is planning 4GB reference models and also 8GB with custom cooling solutions ‘at later date’. Of course, we also heard about 8GB models. In fact flagship cards with doubled memory are nothing surprising. According to OCUK’s and our information GTX 980 and GTX 970 with 8GB models are expected somewhere between November and December.

Gibbo did not comment on GM204 performance, but he did mention that GTX 980 replaces GTX 780, not GTX 780 Ti.

Gibbo:



980 / 970 4GB reference cards with 8GB coming at a later date with custom coolers. Can’t say any more but don’t expect a huge leap in performance over current single GPU stuff.

Gibbo:


They replace 780, not 780Ti.

Performance wise, my lips are sealed on how it compares to 780Ti, but of course 980 is quicker than 780 for sure!
 

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I read what Gibbo said. Perhaps I'm reading through rose-colored glasses, but I'd like to think he was being coy and playing games. He says in his first line that "they replace 780, not 780ti." I think he means in the pricing scheme, not performance. His next line discusses performance. If he really knows the 980 is "quicker than 780 for sure," I highly suspect that he knows (or has a good idea about) where 980 lands relative to the 780ti. There is, what, a 20% difference between 780 and 780ti, give or take a few % points?
 

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I read what Gibbo said. Perhaps I'm reading through rose-colored glasses, but I'd like to think he was being coy and playing games. He says in his first line that "they replace 780, not 780ti." I think he means in the pricing scheme, not performance. His next line discusses performance. If he really knows the 980 is "quicker than 780 for sure," I highly suspect that he knows (or has a good idea about) where 980 lands relative to the 780ti. There is, what, a 20% difference between 780 and 780ti, give or take a few % points?

I got a bad vib (not much faster than 780TI imo) but I reading between the lines imo. Yes I believe the 780Ti is around 20% faster than the 780.
 

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Yeah. My impression from his comments was that the 980 will be as fast or only slightly faster than 780ti. Like he said, not a "huge leap" in performance over the current single GPU cards. But, presumably, at much lower power usage.
 

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It may not be much faster in stock form, but the question is.. How well will it OC? Can't wait to find out!
 
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It may not be much faster in stock form, but the question is.. How well will it OC? Can't wait to find out!

Yes that is true, but imo if its -/+ a small percent vs a 780Ti, I am just going to hold on to my Tri X 290 and maybe CF it like I did with my 7950 vs buying the 780 at $650.00 that time. Now if this GTX 980 comes in at 25-35% faster (as some are thinking/saying) in stock form and then we overclock it, now we talking some nice single card performance! The other option is the 980Ti when it arrives, but then price starts to become more of a factor imo.
 
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I got a bad vib (not much faster than 780TI imo) but I reading between the lines imo. Yes I believe the 780Ti is around 20% faster than the 780.

Slightly faster/trading blows with the 780 Ti has always been right around my expectations. It'll depend on what the clock speeds are though. But since the die should be much smaller, there is no reason for nVidia to keep the 780 Ti on the market even if it ends up being better in some cases. Titan can stay because of it's DP capabilities.
 

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I don't think anyone here is saying GM204 on 28nm is going to be 35% faster than GK110. Maybe a few months ago, but not in the past 6-8 weeks.

TV I did say 25-35%, one example check post #347 dated 8-13-14 member saying at least +25% over the 780Ti in this same thread who carries a little weight with his opinion for me on Nvidia products imo, I have seen a few other posts on AT by a few members saying similar in 1 or 2 other threads within around the last 4 weeks but I can't remember which threads or going spend the time to trying to find them. I also remember reading someone saying not that long ago here that the 980 might be a 400mm^2 and not the 300mm^2 reported by KG in which case thinks we might see this type of performance if it is 400mm^2 depending also on the core/sp's count. At this point I really do not know what to expect from the 980.
 

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TV I did say 25-35%, one example check post #347 dated 8-13-14 member saying at least +25% over the 780Ti in this same thread who carries a little weight with his opinion for me on Nvidia products imo, I have seen a few other posts on AT by a few members saying similar in 1 or 2 other threads within around the last 4 weeks but I can't remember which threads or going spend the time to trying to find them. I also remember reading someone saying not that long ago here that the 980 might be a 400mm^2 and not the 300mm^2 reported by KG in which case thinks we might see this type of performance if it is 400mm^2 depending also on the core/sp's count. At this point I really do not know what to expect from the 980.

Yes Blackend23 is expecting ~25%. And you did say 25-35%, but I said specifically no one is has been saying 35% for some time now. It seems 25% is the upper bound and most don't think that. But his reasoning is sound, if not overly optimistic. GM107 absolutely destroys everything in perf/watt so if Nvidia engineered GM204 to scale up with a higher TDP than GK104, then it should scale up in performance as well. But if it consumes roughly the same amount of power as GK104 and has the same efficiency as GM107, then it'll end up about 5-10% faster than GTX 780 TI. I think *most* are guessing 10-15% faster. I personally have went from thinking it'll be 30% faster a few months ago, to now being among the 10-15% plurality. If it's on 28nm, it's going to end up being around 400mm^2 regardless of it's final performance. My best current guess is $549 GTX980 and +5-10% over GTX780 TI, $449 for GTX970 +10% over GTX780, and $379 for GTX960 TI performance about 5% slower than GTX780. I think GK104 will be rebadged as GTX960 and GTX950 TI, while a higher clocked with faster memory GM107 will be the GTX950.
 
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For a smaller chip with fewer "cores" it's not so much a failure as a good deal if it's cheaper than 780ti, uses less power & is easier to make while offering similar performance.

Sure, if you're not interested in getting people who have 780 and 780ti cards to upgrade...
 

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The $500+ card market were at last numbers about 1-3% of the discreet market. Basically the perpetual upgraders. If the card is not even faster than a 780ti, it's a fail. Lots of way to spin it, but I'd guess there would be buyers who wouldn't find it a fail that over a year later a card no faster gets released and will buy one, because they didn't already get a 780, Titan or 780ti... :whiste:
 

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The $500+ card market were at last numbers about 1-3% of the discreet market. Basically the perpetual upgraders. If the card is not even faster than a 780ti, it's a fail. Lots of way to spin it, but I'd guess there would be buyers who wouldn't find it a fail that over a year later a card no faster gets released and will buy one, because they didn't already get a 780, Titan or 780ti... :whiste:

It actually only needs to be about 5-10% faster for you to eventually upgrade. You've gone from what... 680s to Titans to 780s to 780 TI's now? I can see why you are complaining. In fact, I'll go as far to say if it matches the 780 TI at stock, but overclocks way better you'll jump all over it yet complain nonstop.
 

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It actually only needs to be about 5-10% faster for you to eventually upgrade. You've gone from what... 680s to Titans to 780s to 780 TI's now? I can see why you are complaining. In fact, I'll go as far to say if it matches the 780 TI at stock, but overclocks way better you'll jump all over it yet complain nonstop.

Yikes! Not sure why so hostile. Titans were a lot faster than 680s, big upgrade, but way overpriced. I made money selling them and buying 780 Classifieds and then used an EVGA stepup to go to 780tis at not cost.

Now that we have the history lesson out of the way...

I don't think you'll see many people running high end rigs with 780tis, Titans, 780s dropping them for a card that isn't faster - and if so - probably will be slower at high resolutions because of a 256bit bus and with the hassle of the actual upgrade with switching hardware... all just to save a $2 a month on their power bill.

It is what it is. Hopefully it doesn't pan out this way, but gtx 980=gtx 780ti=epic fail.
 

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It actually only needs to be about 5-10% faster for you to eventually upgrade. You've gone from what... 680s to Titans to 780s to 780 TI's now? I can see why you are complaining. In fact, I'll go as far to say if it matches the 780 TI at stock, but overclocks way better you'll jump all over it yet complain nonstop.
I'm on a 670, and I'd consider it a failure if the 980 wasn't faster than the 780TI as well.
 

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some peeps think it might have a 1200 boost coming out of the box , so we'll have to see that it max clock will be. 1200 +20% will be 1440 ??
 

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Judging by what AMD is doing with GCN 1.3 aka "3rd gen GCN"
(brand new 285 being whole generation behind in perf/W vs 6 months old GM107),
Nvidia will continue to drag their behind.

New cards will pack just enough punch to give most of us the reason to upgrade.
Any reserves will be saved for later.
 

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Yes Blackend23 is expecting ~25%. And you did say 25-35%, but I said specifically no one is has been saying 35% for some time now. It seems 25% is the upper bound and most don't think that. But his reasoning is sound, if not overly optimistic. GM107 absolutely destroys everything in perf/watt so if Nvidia engineered GM204 to scale up with a higher TDP than GK104, then it should scale up in performance as well. But if it consumes roughly the same amount of power as GK104 and has the same efficiency as GM107, then it'll end up about 5-10% faster than GTX 780 TI. I think *most* are guessing 10-15% faster. I personally have went from thinking it'll be 30% faster a few months ago, to now being among the 10-15% plurality. If it's on 28nm, it's going to end up being around 400mm^2 regardless of it's final performance. My best current guess is $549 GTX980 and +5-10% over GTX780 TI, $449 for GTX970 +10% over GTX780, and $379 for GTX960 TI performance about 5% slower than GTX780. I think GK104 will be rebadged as GTX960 and GTX950 TI, while a higher clocked with faster memory GM107 will be the GTX950.



Ok got it, also good read for me on your post and the newer predictions vs. your older 30% prediction. Do you know or have any predictions in your opinion on the core count along with the 400mm^2 GPU size.
 
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