KitGuru tested the FX9590... it's pretty bad.

[guskline]

Though the FX9590 only has a 1 yr warranty, if you cool it properly ( high aio water cooler) and run in spec I bet it will last a long time.

 

[guskline]

As to the price of the FX 9590, I agree it is very high for what you get when you can buy a 8350 for $199 and oc to nearly 4.7 ghz. However, the same argument can be made when comparing Intel's 3960/70k to the 3930k.

 

[ShintaiDK]

Though the FX9590 only has a 1 yr warranty, if you cool it properly ( high aio water cooler) and run in spec I bet it will last a long time.

1 year? Newegg list it as 30 days.

In the EU however its a mandatory 2 years.

 

[guskline]

1 year? Newegg list it as 30 days.

In the EU however its a mandatory 2 years.

I think the 30 day newegg policy is for return to them The AMD warranty I have seen for the 9590 appears to be a 1 yr limit.

 

[ShintaiDK]

I think the 30 day newegg policy is for return to them The AMD warranty I have seen for the 9590 appears to be a 1 yr limit.

There is no warranty for OEM parts from Intel or AMD. Its handled exclusively by the OEM.

http://support.amd.com/us/warranty/oem/Pages/oem-step1.aspx
http://www.intel.com/support/processors/sb/CS-020033.htm

 

[Idontcare]

Are you trolling me? Warranty periods depend on country, and I cannot give you an universal span.

In this same thread, USER8000 gave three links to three retailers who are selling the FX 9590 series with 3 years warranty from AMD.

We've already seen multiple examples of retailers falsely advertising the clockspeed of the 9590 as a "5GHz processor" only to later correct their mistake and correctly report it is as the "4.7GHz" processor that AMD sells it as.

So I'm not interested in the imagination of retailer marketing teams who take creative liberties with reality at AMD.

I'd like to see an AMD link detailing their warranty of the FX-9590 since that seems to be a big deal to you in your posts above.

 

[chubbyfatazn]

We've already seen multiple examples of retailers falsely advertising the clockspeed of the 9590 as a "5GHz processor" only to later correct their mistake and correctly report it is as the "4.7GHz" processor that AMD sells it as.

So I'm not interested in the imagination of retailer marketing teams who take creative liberties with reality at AMD.

I'd like to see an AMD link detailing their warranty of the FX-9590 since that seems to be a big deal to you in your posts above.

Pardon my ignorance, but would this thing even have a warranty for the direct-end consumer? As far as AMD is concerned, it's only supposed to be sold to "system integrators".

Would you have to provide proof that you're one of those system integrators in order to obtain warranty service from AMD?

Not a question specifically directed to you, of course.

 

[ShintaiDK]

Would you have to provide proof that you're one of those system integrators in order to obtain warranty service from AMD?

Yes.

OEMs also individually negotiate price and warranties. One OEM might have longer warranty than the other and so on. Serials have to match as well.

Also its unlikely that its an item to item warranty. Rather a credit on the next purchase.

 

[guskline]

I stand CORRECTED it is only a 30 day limited warranty from newegg. Lordy for $899 that's a serious concern. I'll stick with the FX 8350!

 

[SlowSpyder]

I doubt the cooler is at its limit.

Water cooling only hits its limit when the water reaches its boiling point under whatever pressure the self-containment loop provides.

(yes a very real analogy to the water-cooling loop in your car applies here)

If the core is at 65C then the water is only going to be cooler than that.

The other way you know the H100 couldn't possibly be near its limit is just compare it to the stock coolers that come on a GPU card that has a 330W TDP at stock. Nowhere near as beefy as an H100 but they get the job done too.

Yea, but FX chips can't operate at ~100C. But you are correct, I asked if the cooler was at its limit, which as you explained clearly the water could absorb more heat energy since it isn't yet boiling at <65C..

What I should of asked is if Guskline feels the H100 had the ability to keep the FX within what are considered safe operating temps while running 1.515v/5GHz while under full load.

SlowSpyder, I agree with IDC's assessment of the cooling capacity of the Corsair H100 - it's a beast for the $$. From what I have read, a custom water cooling sytem gives the best overall cooling but the higher end AIO water coolers do agood job for the money.

I wish you luck with the FX 9590. What mb did you buy?

Ok, thanks... so it was probably up to task for the most part.

I bought ths MSI board.


Regarding the warranty, I'm not entirely sure... the pictures make it look like a retail boxed processor to me, just in different packaging since there is not a cooling solution. Wouldn't that fall under AMD's boxed processor warranty?

Take a look: http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboB...=Combo.1386646

What I paid for at Amazon may be OEM (and maybe why the prices were so low, system builders dumping these cheap?), but the Newegg links look like a retail package to me.

 

[ShintaiDK]

They are not boxed. The model number also shows its not boxed. It would have to end on xxBOX. There are only OEM versions of these 2 CPUs. The 30 days warranty is simply something Newegg offers. The mandatory 2 year warranty in the EU will be covered by the shop, not by the manufactor.

AMD also made it clear, that these CPUs would only be avaliable for system integrators aka OEMs.

 

[SlowSpyder]

They are not boxed. The model number also shows its not boxed. It would have to end on xxBOX. There are only OEM versions of these 2 CPUs. The 30 days warranty is simply something Newegg offers. The mandatory 2 year warranty in the EU will be covered by the shop, not by the manufactor.

AMD also made it clear, that these CPUs would only be avaliable for system integrators aka OEMs.

I was just looking at the packaging, I didn't realize the SKU cleared up that it still isn't considered 'boxed'.

Thanks, and I agree, that AMD should offer a better warranty for what these cost. 30 days is pretty weak.

 

[jvroig]

I bought ths MSI board.

Ouch. I have the original "Version 1" of that board (note that yours clearly states Version 2 / V2), I bought it almost (but not quite) 2 years ago by my estimate. I'll have to check to be sure how long, but definitely over a year now. I only wanted the lower end GD65, but none was in stock, and it was for my existing Thuban, not BD or PD.

It has been a source endless frustration.
1.) the BIOS is crazy. There are lots of settings available for the OC section, as expected, but none of them ever indicate what the default or auto values are. For example, I'd want to play around with the CPU PLL voltage to see how it affects stability, but if I decide to remove it from Auto, I see a choice of voltages but I don't know where to start (which ones are the "Safe" voltages) because there is no indication at all of what Auto is set to or what are the supposed 'safe' values.

2. I recently had an 8350 available, and since it was very cheap and a direct, painless CPU swap for the 1090T rig, I took it. Even at stock, it is more than a match for my 1090T at 3.9 (but I only really run that 1090T at 3.7 for 24/7 use), so the cheap upgrade CPU swap is well worth it. But the mobo, again, proved to be a source of frustration (it's been sporting the latest BIOS for quite a long time now). Still the same problems with defaults not being shown, but there's also a new problem of the vcore being limited to a max of 1.449V (!) As a result, I could only reliably get to 4.3GHz on all cores. Note that on my 1090T, the vcore limit was much higher than 1.449V, in fact my OC logs show I once tried using 1.462V on my 1090T while experimenting with OC limits. I can only conclude they deliberately capped the vcore for the 8350.

3.) The board has no LLC option that I can find, anywhere. And I need it because the board works differently depending on whether it is running my 1090T or my 8350. On the 1090T, whatever vcore I set is some sort of baseline, but the vcore shoots up at load. For example, I'd set it to 1.399V, and it would idle at slightly lower (say, 1.38V), but at load it can get as high as 1.48V, for example in Prime95 or IBT. But on the 8350, the behavior is the reverse. If I set it to 1.290V, that would be it's idle vcore, then on single thread loads it would drop down to 1.280V, then in full load (Prime95 / IBT) it would stabilize at a much lower 1.264V. At the max allowable vcore of 1.449, my max vcore at load only gets as much as 1.384V, and it is nowhere near enough to make 4.4GHz stable.

4.) Throttling. The board automatically throttles the 8350, unless you turn on an option in the BIOS called "HPC mode". I would have failed to notice this if I had not run a bench suite I made composed of my normal duties. From stock settings, for example, I could just crank vcore to max (since 1.449 is very low on the "adventurous scale"), set base clock to 4.2, and Turbo to 4.6. It would pass P95 all day, but it won't actually bench much higher than at stock. Then I noticed that during P95, CPUz would be showing fluctuating clocks (instead of a nominal 4.2, it would fluctuate from 3.4 to 4.2 briefly every now and then). In fact, before I saw this, I thought it was stable at 4.4. Turning off CnQ (or enabling HPC mode, or both) removes this throttling / fluctuation, but also exposes the "supposedly stable" to not stable at all. It's annoying. And this throttling is present even at stock - at pure stock settings, I've seen the brief fluctuations from 3.4-4GHz every now and then while under prime95 large fft.

In short, although this board has served me well for what I believe is almost 2 years now, and has performed adequately for the 1090T it used to run until 2 weeks ago despite its obvious flaws, it has even more flaws and drawbacks running Piledriver.

I sincerely hope the V2 revision has improved on all of this.


UPDATE: According to my financial records, I bought this mobo Oct 1, 2011, Saturday. It is indeed 2 months and change short of 2 years old. I do hope this V1 is no way indicative of how your incoming V2 model will perform.

 

[ShintaiDK]

I was just looking at the packaging, I didn't realize the SKU cleared up that it still isn't considered 'boxed'.

Thanks, and I agree, that AMD should offer a better warranty for what these cost. 30 days is pretty weak.

AMD might offer a good warranty to OEMs. But the problem is, Newegg or any other shop is not an OEM and you buy it from there.

And 30 days is simply what Newegg offers you on their own.

 

[inf64]

http://support.amd.com/us/warranty/oem/Pages/oem-step1.aspx

AMD&#8217;s warranty on processors only extends to customers who have purchased sealed, retail-packaged Processors In a Box.

If the processor came pre-installed in the system, warranty will be provided by the system builder. System builders can range from small, local computer stores and online vendors, to large OEMs such as DELL, Hewlett Packard, or Gateway.
If the processor was purchased separately, but was not sold in a sealed, retail-packaged box, the processor is consider to be OEM. Warranty service will be provided by the point of purchase, and not AMD.
Common Examples of System Builders & OE Manufacturers:

So the links USER8000 gave are correct as these are warranties provided by AMD's partners.

 

[SlowSpyder]

jvroig, thank you for the information. Some of that is not too different from my current MSI board and I know I can deal with doing some extra leg work looking for defaults and such.

I was searching on the LLC thing and found this MSI forum post. According to this poster there are more voltage options in 'control center'. I believe that is a Windows utility, though, not a BIOS overclock. Not ideal, but thought you might be interested in that if you weren't already aware of it.

Again, thanks for the information! I'll be sure to let you know what V2 improves on, if anything.

 

[Rvenger]

Thanks, and I agree, that AMD should offer a better warranty for what these cost. 30 days is pretty weak.

AMD's intention was to sell these as complete systems such as an IBuyPower etc. Not what Newegg is doing.

 

[TerryMathews]

I'm really flabbergasted at this. Has everyone forgot about buying tray processors?

 

[cbrunny]

Don't see what the big deal is. Clearly a marketing gimmick and not much more than that. AMD won't hang their hats on this one for long so nbd.

 

[TerryMathews]

Don't see what the big deal is. Clearly a marketing gimmick and not much more than that. AMD won't hang their hats on this one for long so nbd.

Its the P4 Extreme Edition, all over again.