KitGuru tested the FX9590... it's pretty bad.

BallaTheFeared

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Was anyone expecting anything other than another bulldozer?

Their cinebench score is lower than my on air i5-4670k gets at 5ghz.

Seriously pathetic considering my power at the wall was over 100w lower.
 

mavere

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Well, it performed exactly as well as it should. It's a binned Piledriver, not magic.

Not that AMD-Intel discussions are usually rational, but there's been way too much said over something so mundane.
 

Chiropteran

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The FX9590 @ 5GHz is generally slower than a stock 4770K, costs nearly as much as a 3970X, and needs serious cooling.

Are you confused?

The review you linked compared the 9590 to an OVERCLOCKED to 4.4ghz 3960x, and the 9590 mostly was within 1-2 fps. Often lower average fps by 1-2 points but higher minimum by a similar amount. It boggles my mind why they didn't compare it with a stock intel CPU, but if it's basically equal to a 4.4ghz overclock than I think it's safe to say it's generally faster than a stock 4770 which turbos 500mhz slower at best.
 

BallaTheFeared

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Are you confused?

The review you linked compared the 9590 to an OVERCLOCKED to 4.4ghz 3960x, and the 9590 mostly was within 1-2 fps. Often lower average fps by 1-2 points but higher minimum by a similar amount. It boggles my mind why they didn't compare it with a stock intel CPU, but if it's basically equal to a 4.4ghz overclock than I think it's safe to say it's generally faster than a stock 4770 which turbos 500mhz slower at best.

Given the 1600p and high settings at questionable fps with non cpu intensive games while using a 670 it's unlikely it would have made any difference.

I believe he was referencing the none pointless tests they ran.
 

Chiropteran

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Given the 1600p and high settings at questionable fps with non cpu intensive games with a 670 it's unlikely it would have made any difference.

So the review is totally worthless then.

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They skipped all the potentially interesting tests.

For one, take an 8350 and overclock it to 9590 speeds, and compare power usage between the overclocked 8350 and the "real" 9590. That would actually be interesting.

For another, disable 6 or 7 cores just to see how fast it can clock stable with a single module, would be interesting just to see what it can do.

Power usage seemed incredibly reasonable, it looks like it might even be using less than the listed 220W, or maybe 220W is just far more accurate in it's case than the 125W measure for the 8150. I'd be curious to see if it uses less power at 8350 speeds than a real 8350 does.

Compare, stock for stock, vs an 4770k, which is really what everyone would really care about, nobody with a $1060 i7-3960X is going to seriously consider downgrading to an $800 AMD CPU, so it's a pointless comparison.

And they show the power usage for the 3960x @ 4.8ghz, which is interestingly MUCH higher than the FX-9590, and at stock... but not at the tested 4.4ghz? What kind of joke review is this? Does anyone take these guys seriously?
 
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SPBHM

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Are you confused?

The review you linked compared the 9590 to an OVERCLOCKED to 4.4ghz 3960x, and the 9590 mostly was within 1-2 fps. Often lower average fps by 1-2 points but higher minimum by a similar amount. It boggles my mind why they didn't compare it with a stock intel CPU, but if it's basically equal to a 4.4ghz overclock than I think it's safe to say it's generally faster than a stock 4770 which turbos 500mhz slower at best.

pure GPU bottleneck... useless gaming tests. some $200 i5 would achieve the same results, hitting the GPU limit at those settings/tests

if you look on the other results, the $ 900 FX should shine for video encoding or 3d rendering, but it doesn't look impressive compared to $350 CPUs.

AMD priced this CPU way to high, it's like they decided they don't want to sell this thing or something.
 

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Performance is not too bad, but no thanks to the power consumption. Review really needs to show the power for the 4.4ghz 3960k.
 

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The FX9590 @ 5GHz is generally slower than a stock 4770K, costs nearly as much as a 3970X, and needs serious cooling.

This is sad.

Link: http://www.kitguru.net/components/cpu/zardon/amd-fx9590-5ghz-review-w-gigabyte-990fxa-ud5/

Did you not know this before the testing? Did anyone try and say that it would be anything else? Nobody with any knowledge of general CPU performance would have even imagined that somehow over clocking an 8350 to 5GHz would produce different results. I actually expected it to be worse than what it was.
 

Idontcare

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The results are pretty much as expected based on OC'ing reviews of the 8350 combined with the added expectation that AMD would be binning these as superior chips in terms of power-consumption and shmoo plot results.

I really don't understand the negativity surrounding AMD's decision to launch this product.

Its like being an orange lover but deciding it isn't good enough to just find great oranges to eat and leave everyone else to themselves, instead you also insist on loathing pear eaters and seeking out pear eaters to point out how much their pears taste nothing like your oranges. A pear is never going to taste like an orange, accept it and move on.
 

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Performance is not too bad, but no thanks to the power consumption. Review really needs to show the power for the 4.4ghz 3960k.

They show the power for the 4.8 3960X, and it really doesn't look good compared to the 9590, but that's pretty extreme OC'ing.... (it uses 110w more than the 9590 under load)
 
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The results are pretty much as expected based on OC'ing reviews of the 8350 combined with the added expectation that AMD would be binning these as superior chips in terms of power-consumption and shmoo plot results.

I really don't understand the negativity surrounding AMD's decision to launch this product.

Its like being an orange lover but deciding it isn't good enough to just find great oranges to eat and leave everyone else to themselves, instead you also insist on loathing pear eaters and seeking out pear eaters to point out how much their pears taste nothing like your oranges. A pear is never going to taste like an orange, accept it and move on.

Well, to me, it is not the chip itself, it is the price. If it was 300.00 or less, it would be a reasonable choice, although not one I would pick. But at more expensive than a 3930k, and more than twice the price of a 4770k, I dont see much to recommend it, except perhaps for encoding.
 

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The results are pretty much as expected based on OC'ing reviews of the 8350 combined with the added expectation that AMD would be binning these as superior chips in terms of power-consumption and shmoo plot results.

I really don't understand the negativity surrounding AMD's decision to launch this product.

Its like being an orange lover but deciding it isn't good enough to just find great oranges to eat and leave everyone else to themselves, instead you also insist on loathing pear eaters and seeking out pear eaters to point out how much their pears taste nothing like your oranges. A pear is never going to taste like an orange, accept it and move on.

IDC, I'd like a competitive CPU from AMD. No more, no less. Intel and AMD both make oranges. I'd like my oranges to be a 4 for a dollar, sweet, a little tart, and as big as a woman's fist.

I don't want my oranges huge, with lots of tasteless juice, at two for a dollar (AMD).

I don't want my oranges seperated into mixed bags of flavor slices, where you can buy either sweet, or tart, at equal prices... or buy the flavor I like for double (Intel).

If this thing was $300, it'd be competitive with the 4770 in lots of things, but it's also saddled with an ageing chipset.

Allow me my disappointment, bud, I'm not sixteen, and I don't make arbitrary blind decisions to buy Intel... I find no other alternative.

Daimon
 

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Are you confused?

The review you linked compared the 9590 to an OVERCLOCKED to 4.4ghz 3960x, and the 9590 mostly was within 1-2 fps. Often lower average fps by 1-2 points but higher minimum by a similar amount. It boggles my mind why they didn't compare it with a stock intel CPU, but if it's basically equal to a 4.4ghz overclock than I think it's safe to say it's generally faster than a stock 4770 which turbos 500mhz slower at best.

What are you talking about?
The graphs had a 3770k and 4770k both at stock speeds.


And stock 3930k.
 
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And they said Haswell was the disappointment...



No thread crapping
-ViRGE
 
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Priced at more than double the price of the 4770k.

Consumes double the amount of power of a 4.5GHz 4770k.

Is actually slower than the 4770k.

There is absolutely nothing positive about this product. The only time this processor looks decent in this specific review is in the gaming results but that's only because those are GPU bound situations.

THIS PRODUCT SHOULD NOT EXIST.


ps: Excellent post Dac7nco.
 
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Priced at more than double the price of the 4770k.

Consumes double the amount of power of a 4.5GHz 4770k.

Is actually slower than the 4770k.

There is absolutely nothing positive about this product. The only time this processor looks decent in this specific review is in the gaming results but that's only because those are GPU bound situations.

THIS PRODUCT SHOULD NOT EXIST.


ps: Excellent post Dac7nco.

It's made by AMD. That's positive enough for the people who believe AMD is God.

Still no thread crapping
-ViRGE
 
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Zucker2k

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Actually worse than I thought. Pulling 317 watts @ 1.49v - CPUZ, and still losing to a stock 4770 that is pulling 135 watts! Congratulations AMD!

Kitguru:
Sure, we could say that fanatical AMD overclockers will love the FX9590, but unless you have money to burn we can think of better ways to spend that £700. When up against the Core i7 4770k or 3930k/3960x it is seriously outgunned. This is probably why AMD aren’t sampling the part directly to the press, aiming it at system builders. Again, we can’t imagine a system builder will want to cool this monster long term, while offering a warranty. There is only a 1 year warranty on the FX9590 too, so that is worth bearing in mind.


An interesting release from AMD to target system builders, but we can’t help but feel it is a little like bringing a knife to a gunfight.
Ouch!
 
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Idontcare

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IDC, I'd like a competitive CPU from AMD. No more, no less. Intel and AMD both make oranges. I'd like my oranges to be a 4 for a dollar, sweet, a little tart, and as big as a woman's fist.

I don't want my oranges huge, with lots of tasteless juice, at two for a dollar (AMD).

I don't want my oranges seperated into mixed bags of flavor slices, where you can buy either sweet, or tart, at equal prices... or buy the flavor I like for double (Intel).

If this thing was $300, it'd be competitive with the 4770 in lots of things, but it's also saddled with an ageing chipset.

Allow me my disappointment, bud, I'm not sixteen, and I don't make arbitrary blind decisions to buy Intel... I find no other alternative.

Daimon

There are more than just one variety of oranges as well.

The way you describe things you must not see any reason for the variety in cigars or top-shelf alcohol or various luxury brand vehicles.

Its all about getting from point A to point B for as little money as possible, right? Can't possibly be any good reason to enjoy the ride in the meantime.

As the price alone would seemingly make self-evident, the FX-9590 is clearly not priced for consideration by your typical mainstream "price/performance" budget conscious individual.

And if this were 2006 and we were talking about the then just released QX-6700 we'd be having the exact same discussion.

But the product is clearly intended to appeal to an extremely small volume of end-users who (1) have the right kind of disposable income, (2) are interested in spending it on an AMD FX-9590, and (3) probably buy equally expensive things for themselves just because they can.

AMD isn't trying to sell millions of these, they priced it exactly where they want to be in the supply/demand curve.

If there is no demand for the product then you can bet AMD would move the price point downwards. If there is demand for the product then that alone justifies AMD creating the product.

But all the negativity is simply weird. I can understand people liking a product and becoming a fan of it, that psychology is reasonable to me, but I can't grasp the psychology of why someone would waste their time despising a product (unless it is particularly destructive of people, such as drugs, cigarettes or misused firearms).

Unless "bash on AMD products" is in your top-10 list of "fun things I want to do with my day today" then why on earth would you spend time bashing on an AMD CPU at the expense of using that time to do any one of those other ten things you have on your top-10 fun things to do list?
 
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Zucker2k

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Good points, IDC, but imho manufacturers like Intel and AMD should not be encouraged to dabble in overclocking. Look at the specs of that system. All AMD did was raise the stock multiplier and voltage on a few select chips and spec'ed the rest of the components including cooling to handle the thermals. This is absolutely the wrong way for any manufacturer to do business. Enthusiasts are rightly frowning on this idea, lest it becomes popular in the near future. Hint, hint.

317 watts; and that price; for that effort!!?
 

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And they said Haswell was the disappointment...


It was. The difference with the FX 9590 here was everybody was expecting an overpriced, power-guzzling turd and that's what they got.

Kitguru's benchmark suite is horrible btw. Gaming performance looks good vs the 4.8 GHz 3960X. If it wasn't for the ridiculous price it would probably have been well received in most sites.
 
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