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MetalMat

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On the Ross Tucker podcast he mentioned that the media has to wait 15 minutes after the game before they can enter the locker room, it's a cool down period for the players.

I don't find what Sherman said to be outlandish or anything but if the NFL has issues with it maybe they should not have sideline reporters shoving the microphone in a players face seconds after a huge game ends.
 

Retro Rob

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On the Ross Tucker podcast he mentioned that the media has to wait 15 minutes after the game before they can enter the locker room, it's a cool down period for the players.

I don't find what Sherman said to be outlandish or anything but if the NFL has issues with it maybe they should not have sideline reporters shoving the microphone in a players face seconds after a huge game ends.

Fwiw, he didn't say anything outlandish -- it was just a bag move congratulating crabs for losing. Was it surprising he hit him in the face?

I may have done the same thing.
 

davmat787

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I was also joking. No doubt Sherman would've had another meltdown if someone tweeted that. I didn't care for the Seahawks before Sherman's outburst, but his behavior certainly removed all doubts.

Oh, and BTW, Sherman's Stanford degree was in Communications. That's especially comical given his meltdown.

I am a huge 'Hawks fan, so I tend to give my guys the benefit of the doubt. In Sherman's case, remember he played for Harbaugh at Stanford, and was told by Harbaugh he wasn't NFL material. That is a pretty sizable chip to have on ones shoulder when playing a Harbaugh team. During a recent post game interview, Harbaugh was saying Crabtree has the best hands in the league, .etc.

I am not excusing Sherman's diva behavior, as I said earlier I have hated the dive WR/DB since their height in the 80's/90's with players like Andre Rison, Michael Irvin, and many others whom I am forgetting. I just think Sherman's behavior is more calculated than it appears at face value. And Carroll will reel it in if needed.

Some Bronco's fan was ripping on the Sherminator earlier IIRC. But I bet he would have loved to have Sherman covering Jacoby Jones instead of Moore in last seasons playoff game against the Ravens. :whiste:

Also factor in that he basically plays for the South Alaska Seahawks. It is incredibly hard for even the top tier guys to get national pub up here, mainly due to time zone differences. If he wants that huge contract, and who doesn't?, he needs to make a name for himself, draw attention, AND BACK IT UP. Nothing is worse than a player who talks way to much trash and can't back it up.
 
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Ban Bot

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It's not rocket science -- he knows what kind of world he lives in.

I think it does. It's not because I have some sort of "special insight", though sharing the same race he does, however, people (and himself included) seem awfully quick to throw his Stanford ed out there when they label his trash-talking "thuggish".

That's why I hold this opinion. It's like folks seem to say: "how can he be labled "thuggish", or "stupid"...he went to Stanford"?

I guess some people will never look past race. Kind of sad reading your post and defense on MLK day. Look, Sherman has *never* used his being "a black man" as justification for any of his behavior. Or the cause thereof. With no justification other than your opinion you made it a racial issue. You brought it up in an accusatory manner to explain why he acts the way he does. Go re-read your post.

What makes it worse is you are trying to "move the ball" from your racial insult to blaming others for defending him for being a Stanford graduate. What does that have to do with your racial insult? It couldn't be his general behavior is to raise his profile ($) and that his raw emotion after the game was genuine, raw, intense emotion that a loud mouth emotional athlete may have after making a play to go to the Super Bowel? Nope, his behavior has to be crouched racially

RE: Thug. I already addressed that. You can call him a thug. But I think it groups Sherman in with a crowd he does not belong in. The NFL is full of dudes who have been convicted of DUIs, resisting arrest, gun charges--freaking shooting people even, assault, beating women, rape charges, on and on. Come'on. Sherman is NOT a thug like that. Are people really fostering such hate for him over these things that he is going to be grouped with idiots who shoot people and get in accidents under the influence?

I get it that people don't like Sherman. He is a big, LOUD talker. Just like Sanders was. But so far he is backing it up with his play. It is a game, he is having fun. Don't like the loud mouth then root against him. But that doesn't make him a thug. There are some real thugs on the Hawks and 49ers (Aldon Smith? Parish Cox? Lynch has a history, too.) Where is all the lamenting of Smith getting the red carpet treatment considering the serious, serious accusations he is facing in court? Yet it is Sherman people are flooding his twitter account with IDIOTIC racial slams. What did Sherman do? In the biggest game of his life he made the game saving play along with Malcom Smith that sent his team to the Super Bowl. He did it against a team he hates, a coach he hates and feels did him many wrongs, against a player he feels disrespected by in the media. Sherman was a 5th round pick who has navigated the media to gain extreme exposure (e.g. 10th best selling jersey) for such a low pick playing a low-key position and is targeting a big pay day.

I have read far less vitriol toward Josh Brent than toward Sherman. Killing someone and endangering lives is a footnote, but going crazy after a career defining moment is worth racial slurs. You wouldn't even know the Brent trial was going on based on all the attention on Sherman.

Heck, let's talk about classless. BB called the Welker pick, "It’s not for me to decide, but it’s one of the worst plays I’ve seen". Welker could be telling the truth that he expected Talib to move deeper and he was trying to jam his inside shoulder. Maybe he was setting a hard pick. But for BB the day after to call it one of the worst plays he has seen is a joke. He constantly insults Welker. Speaking of Talib he was outright hostile hours after the game. He told reporters, “Get out of my face, mutherf–ker.” PFT was right when they said, "If Richard Sherman had said something like that, the Twitter servers would have spontaneously combusted." I don't see anyone lamenting Talib's behavior or claiming his behavior is rooted in the color of his skin.

People don't like Sherman. They don't like his big mouth. They don't like he is good and is beating a lot of people's teams. And they don't like he walks to his own beat. But these things don't make him a criminal thug. And they certainly don't excuse the thousands of idiots using their dislike for his personality--and him making a mistake--as a pathway to express their own deep seeded racism. Making this a racial issues says a lot more about the people throwing it out than it does Sherman.

Finally, it isn't Sherman who is taking away the focus from his team. It is the press and people who want to continue talking about it. Sherman went nuts after the play, no doubt. A two minute interview where he did not curse, threaten anyone, or break any laws has grabbed more attention than both games, the probowl, far worse comments from other players and coaches, and a criminal trial of a recent NFL player. And my opinion is if a clean cut white guy made Sherman's comments this would be a dead issue. But because he wears dreds he must be a thug. Hence stupid comments like, "because his is black he thinks....".

Ps- The way people are treating Sherman makes me like him more. I feel he has made himself a BIG target in the NFL, of his own doing and deserved. But he is getting treated pretty badly for something frivolous. I am so far and away different from him, and don't approve of his post game comments, but I respect his hard work, passion, and how he is using media to be successful. I would never do the things he does but no harm no foul. He is a loud mouth. But he doesn't deserve the real hate being brought on him. From everything I have ever read in his own time he is spends a lot of time helping those in need. That is a true measure of a person.
 
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The racial stuff is just a completely separate issue from the fact that Sherman is a giant wise and beautiful woman.

Of course you'll get people tweeting all sorts of nasty things at you when you make people unhappy, whether it be telling them to kill themselves, racial epithets, whatever. Whether Kaepernick is a "thug" because of his tattoos, or Lynch is a "thug," or Sherman. It's such a tired issue.
 

SP33Demon

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Seattle has a nasty D. Its like they have a defense that is comprised of only people that have the attitude and aggressiveness as the Honey Badger. And they use that attitude and aggressiveness on every play. I mean for fucks sake, the Honey Badger is undersized for the NFL but he was pretty productive because of his attitude and aggressiveness on every play. Well that was at least until his injury.Watching him in college was comical with what he did to offenses. Its like Seattle has a whole pack of him, except their defenders aren't as undersized. There is no other defensive unit in the league that has the same attitude and aggressiveness as Seattle's unit. Sure they are heavily penalized, but it works extremely well.

Pretty productive? He killed it. Mathieu (honey badger) finished top 3 CB's in the NFL per PFF grading. Size means nothing if you know anything about the slot position, no way Sherman is covering Wes Welker like Mathieu can and vice versa - different roles but both cornerbacks. Mathieu actually did his job slightly better than Sherman this year. (Revis, Grimes, Mathieu and V.Davis tied for 3rd overall, Sherman 6th). It was amazing what that guy did and keep in mind that grading is cumulative so he could have possibly caught Revis had he not been injured.
 

TheSlamma

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Man you tools are still going on about Sherman.. no wonder people do this stuff, they get your attention for way too long.
 

MrSquished

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I think the reaction to Sherman was so ridiculous, and then to get racial about it?

I've read about the guy, Sherman has been writing a column for the MMQB part of si.com - Peter King asked him to start writing earlier during the season. His columns are quite good. There are a lot of good articles to read out there like:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/tommyto...houghts-about-that-richard-sherman-interview/

http://www.sportsonearth.com/articl...chard-sherman-worth-rooting-for-in-super-bowl

http://www.mercurynews.com/sports/ci_24948663/richard-sherman-what-makes-him-tick

Good NFL Video on the guy: http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-films...L-Films-Presents-The-trash-talking-cornerback

We expect our players to go out there and play out of their minds, beat their bodies to all hell, see vicious hits that take being amped up (like sherman was), get hyped up and we see a ton of players talk trash on the field. But then when they talk on TV we want them to give the same cliched, canned boring answers that is basically every NFL interview.

'Yes well we had a good team, we got to move the ball, you know Joe got open and I made the throw.' blah blah blah blah

Bbut when one reporter catches a guy just after he made the play to end a huge game and he is all amped up and he gets a little loud, we are all of a sudden offended. What a crock of shit. It seems there is a history between Crabtree and Sherman from an event out in Arizona. Plus Sherman did offer to shake Crabtree's hand and Crabtree pushed him in the face.

Whatever the case, Sherman gave us 30 seconds of honest amped up football testoserone. I'm not saying what he said was so wonderful, but it certainly wasn't this atrocity that people are taking it as (now I can't like Seattle anymore. WTF talk about drama queens)

oh and this was Sherman's MMQB Column the day after the game and its about Crabtree http://mmqb.si.com/2014/01/20/richard-sherman-interview-michael-crabtree/

and, indeed, Sherman is arguably the best CB right now in the NFL. Deion said it, other announcers said it (ok announcers are kinda takling heads) but also the stats say it.
 
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spidey07

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I'm convinced now that Sherman is a master.

The media talk is no longer about Manning. It's all about sherman. Remember the cock gobbling love fest of Manning. He snuffed that out to a smolder.

Well played Sherman, well played. Who is this game about? This super bowl? A manning or a fucking cornerback?

Really? A position who single handily wins and loses games vs a fucking CB against 4 serious weapons?

Well played sherman. Well played. Who is talking about Manning now? It's all about a fucking corner back who can only cover a single receiver. Manning is so much smarter - you go yap boy, I'll just throw to the other 5 guys.
 

MrSquished

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I'm convinced now that Sherman is a master.

The media talk is no longer about Manning. It's all about sherman. Remember the cock gobbling love fest of Manning. He snuffed that out to a smolder.

Well played Sherman, well played. Who is this game about? This super bowl? A manning or a fucking cornerback?

Really? A position who single handily wins and loses games vs a fucking CB against 4 serious weapons?

Well played sherman. Well played. Who is talking about Manning now? It's all about a fucking corner back who can only cover a single receiver. Manning is so much smarter - you go yap boy, I'll just throw to the other 5 guys.


It's not Sherman, it's the fact that what he did matters so much to so many stupid people.
 

mugs

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I'm convinced now that Sherman is a master.

The media talk is no longer about Manning. It's all about sherman. Remember the cock gobbling love fest of Manning. He snuffed that out to a smolder.

Well played Sherman, well played. Who is this game about? This super bowl? A manning or a fucking cornerback?

Really? A position who single handily wins and loses games vs a fucking CB against 4 serious weapons?

Well played sherman. Well played. Who is talking about Manning now? It's all about a fucking corner back who can only cover a single receiver. Manning is so much smarter - you go yap boy, I'll just throw to the other 5 guys.

I bet you think you're pretty smart for thinking up that idiotic theory.
 

akugami

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Liking what Sherman did. He was amped up and he let it show. The NFL is known as the No Fun League for a reason. They've been systematically stamping out any sort of an identity for a while. Let's have some crazy shit every now and then. We don't have touchdown celebrations or a little in-your-face stuff because you get a flag. How hypocritical is this when you can't have more than 2 players celebrating together after a TD anymore? Two of the top 10 TD celebrations are the Ram's Bob & Weave which is pretty much illegal now and same with the beloved patriot's Fun Bunch celebrations.
 

SSSnail

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What I find incredibly ironic is all the 4ers fans calling other players classless. Class left the 49ers when Alex Smith left the team.
 

dbk

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Well I don't blame him for the way he acted right after the game. Crabtree shoved him in the face when Sherman was trying to say good game (although, that gesture itself could be interpreted as "rubbing it in"). He was angry! He was ticked off! Blood was boiling! He had that crazy guy look in his eyes staring directly into the camera during the interview. EEEEEEeeekk So I give him a pass on the rant.

I didn't like how he still kept calling Crabtree out during the presser. He should've let it go by then and rightly so, he apologized. OTOH, I didn't really pay attention to Crabtree's interview or his tweet. Dude, you just got pwnd. Don't talk. Go get better.
 

velillen

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What I find incredibly ironic is all the 4ers fans calling other players classless.

You mean the class like an un-uniformed player clothes lining a out-of-bounds Seahawks player on a punt return?

Its an fing game. id rather players have the emotion and bit of trash talking than to just sit there play after play looking like zombies. In any sport some of the best games are when the two teams are rivals and you have that tense must-win feeling being felt from the players.
 

rudeguy

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This thread is still going?

I was one of the most upset people after the game. I was ready to find Sherman and kick his ass. I was ready to pay Jim's way to New York so he could kick Roger's ass. But lets move on. Hopefully they replace the refs with blind fainting goats and require all players to surrender their vocal cords while in uniform.

QBs can just tweet the plays!
 

AMDZen

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I'm convinced now that Sherman is a master.

The media talk is no longer about Manning. It's all about sherman. Remember the cock gobbling love fest of Manning. He snuffed that out to a smolder.

Well played Sherman, well played. Who is this game about? This super bowl? A manning or a fucking cornerback?

Really? A position who single handily wins and loses games vs a fucking CB against 4 serious weapons?

Well played sherman. Well played. Who is talking about Manning now? It's all about a fucking corner back who can only cover a single receiver. Manning is so much smarter - you go yap boy, I'll just throw to the other 5 guys.

I love how you think that is a good thing.

I love how nobody is talking about the Broncos really at all. It's been like that all post season. Game one was all about Phillip Rivers and how Manning can't beat Rivers and how Rivers' record in Denver is so great and how they just beat us on a Thursday night. Next game was all about Brady and how Manning is 1-2 against Brady in the post season and how Manning can't beat Brady and blah blah blah. Nobody even mentioned how Brady is like 1-6 in Denver because it was all about how the Patriots were going to come in here and win.

Now its all about the Seattle Defense and Richard Sherman.

Broncos continue to fly under the radar, exactly where they want to be.
 

zinfamous

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yes....the Broncos are totally under the radar.

....If you aren't paying attention, I guess?
 
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