*Kitna named Superbowl MVP!* Official NFL 2013 Postseason thread

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lupi

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Guy was offsides. Obviously the 49ers declined the penalty. Was hard to hear it at the end but it was announced.

haha, if they had to accept that it would have been a massive packer qq session.
 

mikegg

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And pretty much everyone but you that watches football knows that Russell Wilson is a much better quarterback.

...what exactly is your point?

I really don't think you watch the games

And trolling again... Russell Wilson is a "much better quarterback"... And way to speak for "pretty much everyone".

Have you seen some of Wilson's games this year? He was atrocious at times. Wilson is a good QB - not elite.

If Russell Wilson is a much better QB than Kaepernick, then Kaepernick must be terrible. The Niners should have just kept Alex Smith. We need to fire Jim Harbaugh for selecting the wrong QB.
 

TallBill

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Colin's deep ball has been good this year. He's hit Vernon Davis often this year for deep balls. This game was in near record low temps, no body expected great deep balls. Rodgers certainly didn't throw any either.

Rodgers was terrible in his two comeback games.
 

zinfamous

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Ha! I've watched 49ers games pretty regularly since the Singeltary years--this being as long as I have lived here and have very little choice between them and the Raiders.

Here's the thing--I'm not invested in these teams. I feel that I can see these things more objectively. Where it, say, the Chargers and Rivers, where it took me a full year (into last season) to finally admit that he was going through a legit funk and might indeed be done (well, it seems he got better...)...then I would have to excuse myself from that discussion. I'm an admitted brainless Rivers homer, but that is from before the NFL.

Yes, I'm also a Wilson homer--also before the NFL--but at the same time, I totally believed that he would be playing baseball and never cut it in the NFL. It was totally impossible. I knew the guy was brilliant, his mechanics were perfect, but I just assumed NFL defenses were too fast and too complex for him--he always tended to let plays develop over time, because college football is so damn slow.

But, I was wrong about that, and I don't feel biased in praising the guy when 99.9998% of people that watch him play admit that he's better than most out there.
 

mikegg

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Rodgers was terrible in his two comeback games.
How many QBs in the league could have gone into GB tonight in that temperature and come out with a 88 QBR? Maybe 2-3. I'd say Brady and Andrew Luck could do it.

Kaep threw for 400 yards against GB in warm weather. He ran for almost 100 yards in extreme cold weather. That's how you win.
 

TallBill

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How many QBs in the league could have gone into GB tonight in that temperature and come out with a 88 QBR? Maybe 2-3. I'd say Brady and Andrew Luck could do it.

Kaep threw for 400 yards against GB in warm weather. He ran for almost 100 yards in extreme cold weather. That's how you win.

I should have added the caveat *for Rodgers.
 

Slew Foot

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Niners are a completely different team with Crabtree. His first game back was at NO where they should have won (drew brees hometown call) and theyve been undefeated since.
 

zinfamous

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And trolling again... Russell Wilson is a "much better quarterback"... And way to speak for "pretty much everyone".

Have you seen some of Wilson's games this year? He was atrocious at times. Wilson is a good QB - not elite.

If Russell Wilson is a much better QB than Kaepernick, then Kaepernick must be terrible. The Niners should have just kept Alex Smith. We need to fire Jim Harbaugh for selecting the wrong QB.

shouldnt' the better QB win more games?

isn't that..."kinda" important?

no bullshit here--everyone realized the Niners are a goddamn great team. The only thing that has really changed with them is the QB. Oh, their records were better the previous 2 years?

that's....odd. I wonder why? :hmm:

and lol if you think it was Kaep that got them to the superbowl--. I'm going to assume you didn't watch the NFC championship 2 years ago (you must be one of those people that started watching football last year because of this young studmuffin named "kaepernick" that suddenly started playing for your "local team")--It was the god damn ball that bounced off of Ginn Jr's knee when he was receiving the kickoff that lead to their loss, and kept them out of the superbowl.

It was T G jr, right? not some other jerk? :hmm:
 

mikegg

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Ha! I've watched 49ers games pretty regularly since the Singeltary years--this being as long as I have lived here and have very little choice between them and the Raiders.

Here's the thing--I'm not invested in these teams. I feel that I can see these things more objectively. Where it, say, the Chargers and Rivers, where it took me a full year (into last season) to finally admit that he was going through a legit funk and might indeed be done (well, it seems he got better...)...then I would have to excuse myself from that discussion. I'm an admitted brainless Rivers homer, but that is from before the NFL.

Yes, I'm also a Wilson homer--also before the NFL--but at the same time, I totally believed that he would be playing baseball and never cut it in the NFL. It was totally impossible. I knew the guy was brilliant, his mechanics were perfect, but I just assumed NFL defenses were too fast and too complex for him--he always tended to let plays develop over time, because college football is so damn slow.

But, I was wrong about that, and I don't feel biased in praising the guy when 99.9998% of people that watch him play admit that he's better than most out there.

99.9998%? You must not have watched Wilson's games against the Niners, Cardinals, Houston. And you are clearly wrong because half the people on ESPN, NFL.com have said they would take Kaepernick over RG3 and Russell Wilson.

Wilson is a good QB. I like him. But you're clearly not as objective as you make yourself.
 

rudeguy

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Niners are a completely different team with Crabtree. His first game back was at NO where they should have won (drew brees hometown call) and theyve been undefeated since.

He did look good tonight.

Big Ed looked funny in his snow gear. It's he from warm weather?
 

zinfamous

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Niners are a completely different team with Crabtree. His first game back was at NO where they should have won (drew brees hometown call) and theyve been undefeated since.

this is the truth. He definitely makes Kape look a lot better.
 

mikegg

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shouldnt' the better QB win more games?

isn't that..."kinda" important?

no bullshit here--everyone realized the Niners are a goddamn great team. The only thing that has really changed with them is the QB. Oh, their records were better the previous 2 years?

that's....odd. I wonder why? :hmm:

and lol if you think it was Kaep that got them to the superbowl--. I'm going to assume you didn't watch the NFC championship 2 years ago (you must be one of those people that started watching football last year because of this young studmuffin named "kaepernick" that suddenly started playing for your "local team")--It was the god damn ball that bounced off of Ginn Jr's knee when he was receiving the kickoff that lead to their loss, and kept them out of the superbowl.

It was T G jr, right? not some other jerk? :hmm:

Better QBs don't have to win more games. Alex Smith won more games than Rodgers.

Wilson won 1 more game than the Niners. Big deal. The Hawks have the best defense in the league and it isn't close. Good for them.

Okay, so you lost the battle of facts and now you're targeting me? I've been watching football for 10 years. Yea, the Kylwe Williams loss hurt. But guess what? The Niners actually made the Superbowl with Kaepernick - not with Alex Smith.

Alex Smith couldn't do anything against the Giants. He had a QBR of 29.3. 50 is average. Alex Smith was far below average.

But Kaepernick's championship game against Atlanta? 95 QBR. And that's why they won.

And why are we still talking about Alex Smith? Stats, advanced stats, coaches, results all say Kaepernick is a better QB.
 

zinfamous

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Better QBs don't have to win more games. Alex Smith won more games than Rodgers.

Wilson won 1 more game than the Niners. Big deal. The Hawks have the best defense in the league and it isn't close. Good for them.

Okay, so you lost the battle of facts and now you're targeting me? I've been watching football for 10 years. Yea, the Kylwe Williams loss hurt. But guess what? The Niners actually made the Superbowl with Kaepernick - not with Alex Smith.

Alex Smith couldn't do anything against the Giants. He had a QBR of 29.3. 50 is average. Alex Smith was far below average.

But Kaepernick's championship game against Atlanta? 95 QBR. And that's why they won.

So in one post, you argue that teams with better quarterbacks don't always win, but then the niners were a better team that won only because they had a better quarterback for that one game?

:hmm:

you were sent to the wrong school:

 

SSSnail

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oh right. KYLE WILLIAMS! Fuck that guy!
And you know what's funny? The Chiefs signed him, and then he torn his ACL the FIRST week he was there in practice, sort of took an arrow to his knee, so to speak. Been on IR ever since, and I believe he was a curse to the Chiefs. D:
 

Childs

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You clearly don't watch 49ers games if you think Kaep is a run first QB. Now I know you're just trolling off of one game and I will not argue with you anymore.

But I will leave you with this:

Kaep still outplayed Rodgers this game.

Kaep QBR this game: 88
Rodgers QBR this game: 57

One thing to consider is Kaep is playing against an 8-7-1 team, and Rodgers is playing against a 12-4 team. And Rodgers is coming off a collar bone injury, which might have been why he didnt run at all, which was really the only difference in the QBR. You put Rodgers on the 49ers, and not only do they win the Superbowl, but I doubt they lose a game. Clay Mathews didn't play either. This game shouldnt have been as close as it was.
 

mikegg

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this is the truth. He definitely makes Kape look a lot better.

Trolling. Rob Gronkowski makes Brady look better. Reggie Wayne makes Luck look better. Crabtree makes Kaepernick look better. Welker, Decker, Thomas all make Peyton Manning better.

But guess what? Crabtree couldn't even make Alex Smith look better. Crabtree took off when Kaepernick took over.

Oh, the Niners were still in the playoffs prior to Crabtree's return. And Kaepernick had the most efficient game this season against JAX WITHOUT Crabtree. In fact, he had two.
 

zinfamous

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Trolling. Rob Gronkowski makes Brady look better. Reggie Wayne makes Luck look better. Crabtree makes Kaepernick look better. Welker, Decker, Thomas all make Peyton Manning better.

But guess what? Crabtree couldn't even make Alex Smith look better. Crabtree took off when Kaepernick took over.

Oh, the Niners were still in the playoffs prior to Crabtree's return. And Kaepernick had the most efficient game this season against JAX WITHOUT Crabtree. In fact, he had two.

lol, Alex Smith was damn great when Crabtree was there. You ALREADY ARGUED in this thread that Kaepernicks QBR drastically improved when Crabtree returned.

do you even know what you are saying anymore?

here you go:

Kaep has a 21 to 8 interception ratio this year. And he did it without Crabtree most of the year and he had to play the Seahawks twice. No body escapes Seatle without throwing at least a couple of picks.

Since Crabtree has come back, Kaepernick is 12-2 in TD-INT ratio.

Why is Kaep an idiot? Bring some facts.

And it's already been mentioned that Kaep lost Michael Crabtree, the best receiver on the Niners team. All their other WRs were junk except for Boldin. Now that Crabtree is back, Kaep has been one of the most efficient QBs in the game.

And your boy Russell Wilson? Kaep had a higher QBR this season than Wilson did.
 

mikegg

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One thing to consider is Kaep is playing against an 8-7-1 team, and Rodgers is playing against a 12-4 team. And Rodgers is coming off a collar bone injury, which might have been why he didnt run at all, which was really the only difference in the QBR. You put Rodgers on the 49ers, and not only do they win the Superbowl, but I doubt they lose a game. Clay Mathews didn't play either. This game shouldnt have been as close as it was.

Rodgers said he was fine and not rusty.

Niners gave up over 800 yards passing in their last 2 games. Why couldn't Rodgers exploit that?

Kaepernick clearly outplayed Rodgers in their 3 games. Packers fans will tell you that.
 

mikegg

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lol, Alex Smith was damn great when Crabtree was there. You ALREADY ARGUED in this thread that Kaepernicks QBR drastically improved when Crabtree returned.

do you even know what you are saying anymore?

My argument was that no body looks good without good players around them. Just look at Tom Brady's stats this year with and without Gronk. Luck's numbers with and without Wayne.

Crabtree came back and gave the team balance. Before, it was just double Boldin and no one could get open. Now you can't just double Boldin because Crabtree is there.

Do you even know ANYTHING about football? Holy crap. I feel like I'm arguing with a retard. No offense to you.

#1. you don't know much about football
#2. you don't know anything about the Niners
#3. you don't know anything about Kaep
#4. you just use emotions and generalizations to argue rather than using facts and statistics

Niners got the w. Packers lost again. Niners moving on. Good game.
 
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zinfamous

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Rodgers said he was fine and not rusty.

Niners gave up over 800 yards passing in their last 2 games. Why couldn't Rodgers exploit that?

Well, there is that whole broken collarbone thing.... :hmm:

and again, if you watched those tosses, it wasn't from lack of Rodgers. dude is a troll.
 
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