*Kitna named Superbowl MVP!* Official NFL 2013 Postseason thread

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mikegg

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I kinda think he is the weakest link on the 49ers, but I never really questioned his character, especially after they did a bunch of stories on his upbringing last year. And I have to admit, that Beats by Dre commercial even has me thinking he's The Man.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Ttsx5squWg

Even thought about buying some wireless Beats. The power of advertising! :biggrin: Anyways, cant wait for this Sunday! I just hope Seattle and SF dont beat each other up too much so they can roll the AFC winner in the Superbowl.

Weakest link? Really? The dude was top 10 in QBR without his best receiver for 10 games.

Weakest link? You mean how he put up 45 points on the Packers in the 2012 playoffs - more than double the average the Packers allowed in the regular season and on his way to breaking numerous records? He then accounted for over 300 yards in Green Bay this playoffs in one of the coldest games ever. How he willed his team back from a 17 point first quarter deficit against the Falcons in last year's championship game?

The Niner's o-line is overrated. It's not any better than the Broncos or Seahawks and barely better than many other teams. The o-line isn't what makes Kaepernick good. They are good in the rush but average or below average in pass protection. And Gore is also overrated. Gore can be shut down quite easily nowadays. He's definitely lost a step and doesn't compare to running backs like Charles, McCoy, Peterson, Lynch, etc.

In this year's playoffs, he has a QBR of 88 in GB(one of the coldest games ever) and 77 in Carolina(the second best defense in the NFL). A QBR of 77 is the second highest the Panthers gave up all-season. The first? Drew Brees at 90.

When he's needed, he has delivered with both his arm and his legs. Greg Roman, the offensive coordinator is extremely conservative with his play calling even with Andrew Luck at Stanford. His raw stats would look a lot better if they played a gunslinger type of offense. When you look at Kaepernick's raw stats, it isn't great but when you look at his efficiency overall, he's been superb and one of the top QBs in the league. And he's even better in the playoffs.

Do I think Kaepernick can air it out like Manning, Brady, Ryan can right now? No. But I think his passing will get better. Matt Ryan said it took him 6 years to fully grasp the QB position.

Kaepernick has shown that he can win anywhere and in any condition. His arm strength allows him to throw in the weather and his legs allow him to do things very few QBs in the history can do.

When people criticize Kaepernick for his play this season, they should look at Russell Wilson. Wilson has a lower QBR. His play the last 5 games is abysmal and far below average. In fact, without his defense giving him the ball at the opponents' 40 yard line every time, he can't score on anybody.

I wouldn't trade Kaepernick for anybody.
 
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Ayrahvon

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Childs

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Weakest link? Really? The dude was top 10 in QBR without his best receiver for 10 games.

Its more about the overall strength of the team, and Kaeps inconsistency. Most of the 49ers are somewhat interchangeable, which is why I dont consider Gore the weak link. A lot of the 49ers games are closer than they should be, and I think its because of Kaep. He just has these stretches where he just looks bad. Cant even get off a play. They hardly ever have timeouts at the end of games. Sometimes it costs them, but they are generally good enough that it doesn't matter. The good thing is he has stretches where he looks like the best QB in the league. But that inconsistency is why I consider him the weak link. IMO this group of 49ers is better than the Patriots that went 18-1, but only when Kaep is on his game. I'm not saying bring back Alex Smith, but when he was starting in '11 they probably would have won the Superbowl if Williams didnt muff those two punts. If Kaep shows up for the first half in the Superbowl last year, they win that one. Buts thats whats frustrating about him...even with the bad half he was so good in the second half he was one questionable no call away from winning that Superbowl anyway.

The one thing I will say about Wilson is that his receivers suck. His best receivers were out essentially the whole season. I watched Seattle play about 6 times this year, and the receivers they have just dont get open. Defenses just go man against them and they cant get any separation. You give him Sidney Rice and Percy Harvin for a season, and I bet his QBR rises at least 10 points to match Kaep.

I wouldn't trade Kaepernick for anybody.

I'd probably take the 4 usual suspects ahead of him, but thats still pretty good. QBR doesnt matter. You put any of those QBs on the 49ers and they probably dont lose a game. But Kaep may be in that class in a year or two. He's still a pup.
 
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glenn1

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Both road teams win this weekend.

Possible, but improbable. Although it would be ironic to the Nth degree if the Pats make and win the SB this year with their patched together team of ragtag misfits after losing the last couple of times with good and great (the 16-0 season) teams.
 

dainthomas

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The one thing I will say about Wilson is that his receivers suck. His best receivers were out essentially the whole season. I watched Seattle play about 6 times this year, and the receivers they have just dont get open. Defenses just go man against them and they cant get any separation. You give him Sidney Rice and Percy Harvin for a season, and I bet his QBR rises at least 10 points to match Kaep.

Agreed. The only reason they're where they are right now is their defense, and to some extent their running game. Wilson has done great with what he has, but the defense has kept them in games they should have lost and the running game (as well as his scrambling ability) has taken a lot of the heat off him so he can make the passes he does to those guys.

With Rice and Harvin healthy all year, they lose maybe one game.

The weather looks perfect for the Denver/NE game. As well as Manning does at home and in good weather, I like them for that one.
 

Ban Bot

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Would take Brees, Manning, Brady, Rogers, Russell Wilson and Cam Newton ahead of Kaepernick. Possibly a couple of others too.

I would certainly toss Luck in there.

As much as I am meh on Kap, the Kap/Wilson graphic isn't really fair (actually, it is quite mean) to Kap who in his own right seems to use his notoriety for some good causes. There is bad taste, and then there is scummy. That graphic is scummy.

I wouldn't trade Wilson for anyone, but Kap deserves a lot more respect than that, not just as a player but as a person. I do not like Kap's attitude (it is easy to contrast Kap wearing a Dolphin cap vs. Wilson always saying "Go Hawks!" as a good summary of their attitudes) but this Hawk fan gives Kap a tip of my hat for all his community service.
 

Imported

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Would take Brees, Manning, Brady, Rogers, Russell Wilson and Cam Newton ahead of Kaepernick. Possibly a couple of others too.

Also, I think the Hawks win the SB, and that is okay with me.

I'd only take Rogers out of that list. Maybe Brees. I don't think Manning and Brady have many years left on them. Cam's a cry baby and deflects losses to anyone but him. There may be a case for Wilson, but I think Kaepernick's ceiling is higher. Wilson has a higher floor though.

Would also trade for Luck. INTs and all.
 

lupi

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Titans hire the Huntsmen. Lions left scrambling and looking at picking up caldwell (lol). Chargers to elevate the greatest comeback QB of all time to fill their OC.
 

preslove

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How many interceptions has Kap thrown during the past two games? Fewer than Cam Newton in one playoff games, and FAR fewer than Andrew Luck...

Oh, and he only makes 6 figures, so you can spend more money on defense...
 

dougp

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How many interceptions has Kap thrown during the past two games? Fewer than Cam Newton in one playoff games, and FAR fewer than Andrew Luck...

Oh, and he only makes 6 figures, so you can spend more money on defense...

http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/player/_/stat/passing/sort/passingYards/year/2013/seasontype/3

He's thrown 1 INT vs. Cam's 2 INTs. Not a huge disparity - but against Luck? Yeah, huge - but he also has close to double the yards and 3x the TDs.

As for cash, yeah, that's gonna suck for the 49ers when they have to pay him.
 

zinfamous

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Oh god not this QBR again....

..and anyone that would take Kaepernick over Wilson is a fool. a goddamn fool.

saying that, I agree that it makes sense to take him over guys like Manning and Brady, now--in the real world--because those dudes are approaching fossil status.

I would take someone like Brees, because that's almost certainly 2 superbowls right there with this team.

Luck, well that's a dynasty.
 
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lupi

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As the error of panic claims another victim, Caldwell to Detroit official, expect Painter to be signed any moment now.
 

preslove

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http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/player/_/stat/passing/sort/passingYards/year/2013/seasontype/3

He's thrown 1 INT vs. Cam's 2 INTs. Not a huge disparity - but against Luck? Yeah, huge - but he also has close to double the yards and 3x the TDs.

As for cash, yeah, that's gonna suck for the 49ers when they have to pay him.

Kap only has 1 int for 2 games, while cam had 2 int's for 1 game. That's 4 times the INT rate as Kap, while Cam makes 5.5 million to Kap's $750,k.

For this year, I'd rather have Kap.
 

Imported

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Oh god not this QBR again....

..and anyone that would take Kaepernick over Wilson is a fool. a goddamn fool.

saying that, I agree that it makes sense to take him over guys like Manning and Brady, now--in the real world--because those dudes are approaching fossil status.

I would take someone like Brees, because that's almost certainly 2 superbowls right there with this team.

Luck, well that's a dynasty.

We agree to disagree then on Kaepernick over Wilson. I don't believe Wilson's ceiling is as high as Kaepernick's.
 
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