*Kitna named Superbowl MVP!* Official NFL 2013 Postseason thread

[rudeguy]

As the error of panic claims another victim, Caldwell to Detroit official, expect Painter to be signed any moment now.

FFS

 

[Atomic Playboy]

Why do they call it the Divisional round?

KT

Because the league is broken up into two conferences comprised of four divisions each. After you've sorted out your wild cards, the division winners play to determine the top two teams from each conference. The conference championships determine the top two teams in the league. And the winner of that game is the champion. Wild card -> division -> conference -> league.

 

[zinfamous]

We agree to disagree then on Kaepernick over Wilson. I don't believe Wilson's ceiling is as high as Kaepernick's.

Give Wilson someone like Boldin and Davis (whom he probably wouldn't ignore for about a season's worth of games) to throw to and then we'll see.

 

[KeithTalent]

Because the league is broken up into two conferences comprised of four divisions each. After you've sorted out your wild cards, the division winners play to determine the top two teams from each conference. The conference championships determine the top two teams in the league. And the winner of that game is the champion. Wild card -> division -> conference -> league.

Huh, never thought about it like that. Thanks homeslice.

KT

 

[darkewaffle]

We agree to disagree then on Kaepernick over Wilson. I don't believe Wilson's ceiling is as high as Kaepernick's.

Well he probably doesn't have to concern himself with that when purchasing a house, I mean at 5'11 Wilson can afford to have lower ceilings than a guy like Kaepernick. Since he's 6'4 some houses just may not suit him.

 

[IAteYourMother]

whom he probably wouldn't ignore for about a season's worth of games

What doees that mean?

 

[BergeLSU]

Kap only has 1 int for 2 games, while cam had 2 int's for 1 game. That's 4 times the INT rate as Kap, while Cam makes 5.5 million to Kap's $750,k.

For this year, I'd rather have Kap.

How is this going to affect these defensive teams when their young QBs demand "Flacco" money when their rookie contracts are up?

 

[SP33Demon]

We agree to disagree then on Kaepernick over Wilson. I don't believe Wilson's ceiling is as high as Kaepernick's.

Wilson surpasses Kaepernick in every advanced metric this year. For example, PFF's QBR (takes into account dropped passes, throw aways, spikes, and yards in the air which NFL QBR does not) = Wilson #5 behind only Foles, Manning, Rivers, Brees; Kap = #8. Wilson is #1 in the NFL in deep passing (> 20 yards); Kap = #5. Under Pressure, he's #11/26 whereas Kap is tied with Matt Schaub for dead last (26/26). Total QB grading on the year (comprised of Passing, Rushing, and Penalties) Wilson = #4 at +23.1 with 1,006 snaps graded. Kap, #18 at only +2.7 with 999 snaps graded. Broken down further, Wilson graded out higher in every single category: Passing +13.1 to -0.4, Rushing +10.8 to +4.3, Penalties -0.8 to -1.2.

Wilson's "ceiling" is higher than Kap based on 2013's performances. I can't imagine if he actually had the weapons that Peyton (#2 graded Pass Blocking O-Line, #5 Run Blocking) or even Kap (#10 graded Pass Blocking, #4 Run Blocking) had this year. Wilson (#23 Pass Blocking, #22 Run Blocking) simply did more with less and his maturity level is also higher. Seattle really lucked out getting that guy in the 3rd round, just amazing. He is likely to become our generation's version of Brady, a late rounder but with insane football IQ and ability to boot.

 

[smackababy]

Wilson surpasses Kaepernick in every advanced metric this year. For example, PFF's QBR (takes into account dropped passes, throw aways, spikes, and yards in the air which NFL QBR does not) = Wilson #5 behind only Foles, Manning, Rivers, Brees; Kap = #8. Wilson is #1 in the NFL in deep passing (> 20 yards); Kap = #5. Under Pressure, he's #11/26 whereas Kap is tied with Matt Schaub for dead last (26/26). Total QB grading on the year (comprised of Passing, Rushing, and Penalties) Wilson = #4 at +23.1 with 1,006 snaps graded. Kap, #18 at only +2.7 with 999 snaps graded. Broken down further, Wilson graded out higher in every single category: Passing +13.1 to -0.4, Rushing +10.8 to +4.3, Penalties -0.8 to -1.2.

Wilson's "ceiling" is higher than Kap based on 2013's performances. I can't imagine if he actually had the weapons that Peyton (#2 graded Pass Blocking O-Line, #5 Run Blocking) or even Kap (#10 graded Pass Blocking, #4 Run Blocking) had this year. Wilson (#23 Pass Blocking, #22 Run Blocking) simply did more with less and his maturity level is also higher. Seattle really lucked out getting that guy in the 3rd round, just amazing. He is likely to become our generation's version of Brady, a late rounder but with insane football IQ and ability to boot.

Wilson's height was really the only "issue" that kept him from being a first round pick.

And take into account he is the lowest paid QB, he is really helping his team. I can see him not wanting that "Flacco money" and preferring to take a lot less to keep his team (because you know that D is going to get paid).

 

[Ban Bot]

What doees that mean?

My guess is he is referring to how Kap did not seem to click with Davis for a long stretch, especially last year. Kap does tend to lock in and prefers Crabtree. Wilson is more of a distributor and goes tends to go deeper into his progressions; he doesn't have a favorite target and tends to take what the defense gives him.

RE: Ceiling/Floor. It is easy to say Kap has a higher ceiling. He is taller and faster and has a bigger arm. Wilson is fast and has a big arm, but Kap is a step up.

I am going to be biased here but I think that physical tools are pretty weak indicators of a QB. I remember Brady being lambasted for dink and dunk (not to mention he has always been slow) and Manning and his arm/wobbly balls and Brees his height and arm strength. What makes a great quarterback is QB-smarts and great work ethic and is someone who can get people to follow them. Wilson has shown to excel at QB-smarts and is a hard worker and has proven he will let himself be coached and work within a system. A great QB improves regularly and works with what they have to succeed. All these things make him an easy QB to rally around.

I don't think those aspects of QB play should be overlooked. And I wouldn't assume Kap's ceiling is higher in those areas.

 

[Imported]

Wilson surpasses Kaepernick in every advanced metric this year. For example, PFF's QBR (takes into account dropped passes, throw aways, spikes, and yards in the air which NFL QBR does not) = Wilson #5 behind only Foles, Manning, Rivers, Brees; Kap = #8. Wilson is #1 in the NFL in deep passing (> 20 yards); Kap = #5. Under Pressure, he's #11/26 whereas Kap is tied with Matt Schaub for dead last (26/26). Total QB grading on the year (comprised of Passing, Rushing, and Penalties) Wilson = #4 at +23.1 with 1,006 snaps graded. Kap, #18 at only +2.7 with 999 snaps graded. Broken down further, Wilson graded out higher in every single category: Passing +13.1 to -0.4, Rushing +10.8 to +4.3, Penalties -0.8 to -1.2.

Wilson's "ceiling" is higher than Kap based on 2013's performances. I can't imagine if he actually had the weapons that Peyton (#2 graded Pass Blocking O-Line, #5 Run Blocking) or even Kap (#10 graded Pass Blocking, #4 Run Blocking) had this year. Wilson (#23 Pass Blocking, #22 Run Blocking) simply did more with less and his maturity level is also higher. Seattle really lucked out getting that guy in the 3rd round, just amazing. He is likely to become our generation's version of Brady, a late rounder but with insane football IQ and ability to boot.

I like PFF, but they aren't the end all be all for football stats. Both Football Outsiders and Advanced NFL Stats rank Kaepernick ahead of Wilson. ESPN's total QBR does too for whatever that stat is worth.

 

[Childs]

Wilson's height was really the only "issue" that kept him from being a first round pick.

And take into account he is the lowest paid QB, he is really helping his team. I can see him not wanting that "Flacco money" and preferring to take a lot less to keep his team (because you know that D is going to get paid).

It'll be interesting to see what the market is like for Wilson. While I like him as a QB, I dont think he will have that many options. I think Seattle will at least offer him Matt Flynn money, since they offered it to Flynn. I dont think anyone is going to get offered that Flacco money anymore.

 

[Imported]

It'll be interesting to see what the market is like for Wilson. While I like him as a QB, I dont think he will have that many options. I think Seattle will at least offer him Matt Flynn money. I dont think anyone is going to get offered that Flacco money anymore.

Wilson will get Flacco money. So will Kaep, Luck, Newton. The going rate on a new deal for a franchise QB is $15mil/yr+. Look at what Cutler got.. lol

 

[zinfamous]

What doees that mean?

when Harbaugh put Kap in mid season last year, Davis suddenly became a ghost. Kap, for whatever dumbfuck reason, decided one of the most consistent and talented options on the team for the previous 3 seasons was suddenly worthless. Consequently, Crabtree suddenly became very productive.

That continued for a little while this season, but Davis, thanks to Crabtree's season-long injury, has managed to appear on Kap's radar.

That was one of my major frustrations with the whole Kap thing last year--he totally ignored the absolute best receiver on the team.

 

[zinfamous]

Wilson's height was really the only "issue" that kept him from being a first round pick.

And take into account he is the lowest paid QB, he is really helping his team. I can see him not wanting that "Flacco money" and preferring to take a lot less to keep his team (because you know that D is going to get paid).

I also see him taking less money than expected--I think his smarts will convince him that spending money on the O-Line and receiving options will be better for him and the team.

He's probably just going to give away much of that money, anyway.

Wilson was also drafted into the MLB and his commitment to football was still questionable in most people's minds. That alone would have kept him out of the first round. (his "questionable football commitment" is what lead our dumbfuck coach at NCSU to release him for his senior year, and well, consequently lead to our dumbfuck coach being fired at the end of the following season--you know, everyone for "some reason" only thinking of Wilson as coming from WU at the end of that season... )

 

[smackababy]

Wilson will get Flacco money. So will Kaep, Luck, Newton. The going rate on a new deal for a franchise QB is $15mil/yr+. Look at what Cutler got.. lol

I just don't think he will want to take it. He seems like a guy who knows well enough that taking up half the salary cap with a single player means your season ends up like the Giants. If they can't afford to pay other good players, they won't get far.

He really seems like a guy who will take the lowest the players association will allow and be happy. He doesn't have to be the highest paid QB in history to prove himself. He wants to be the greatest QB of all time, not the one worth the most money.

 

[dainthomas]

Wilson's height was really the only "issue" that kept him from being a first round pick.

And take into account he is the lowest paid QB, he is really helping his team. I can see him not wanting that "Flacco money" and preferring to take a lot less to keep his team (because you know that D is going to get paid).

I know he's a nice guy and everything, but (especially if he wins the SB) I can't imagine he would sacrifice millions and millions for the chance to maybe win another one. NFL careers are short, and a guy needs to think about his family.

 

[Imported]

Did you not watch the playoffs last year? Davis had great games against Atlanta and Baltimore.

 

[preslove]

How is this going to affect these defensive teams when their young QBs demand "Flacco" money when their rookie contracts are up?

Either refuse to pay, or give him a great contract, draft a 2nd or 3rd round qb, coach them up, and then trade/cut the old one.

Srsly, though, I don't think they'll get max deals. Tom Brady has never had a max contract, has he?

 

[smackababy]

I know he's a nice guy and everything, but (especially if he wins the SB) I can't imagine he would sacrifice millions and millions for the chance to maybe win another one. NFL careers are short, and a guy needs to think about his family.

He has to think about his family? The difference between $5 million a year and $10 million a year doesn't change your family's well being unless you're MC Hammer. It is not like the players association is going to allow him to take $50k a year. He just doesn't seem like the kind of guy that will demand a huge contract. He is smart enough to know that money is much better spent on O line, receivers, and defense.

 

[rudeguy]

Either refuse to pay, or give him a great contract, draft a 2nd or 3rd round qb, coach them up, and then trade/cut the old one.

Srsly, though, I don't think they'll get max deals. Tom Brady has never had a max contract, has he?

IIRC he did, then took a cut when the team needed help. But I'm going off my shitty memory so please don't flame me if I'm getting this wrong.

 

[Imported]

You guys are delusional if you think a player that can make $15mil/yr is going to pass it up to help the team. Brady redid his contract but it still puts him in the top half at most guaranteed.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

As the error of panic claims another victim, Caldwell to Detroit official, expect Painter to be signed any moment now.

LOL

Detroit fans, get used to seeing blank stares on the sidelines, along with the patented Caldwell "deer in headlights" look.

 

[zinfamous]

Did you not watch the playoffs last year? Davis had great games against Atlanta and Baltimore.

haha! did you forget about Davis publicly lamenting the fact that he had been ignored for pretty much all of those regular season games?

yes, things got better, eventually, but he was very suddenly not the Vernon Davis that everyone knew, and it became part of the public discussion before things changed.

 

[Imported]

haha! did you forget about Davis publicly lamenting the fact that he had been ignored for pretty much all of those regular season games?

yes, things got better, eventually, but he was very suddenly not the Vernon Davis that everyone knew, and it became part of the public discussion before things changed.

I remember. But if I need a catch made, I'd still throw to Crabtree over Davis.