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juiio

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However, let's say for whatever reason SF can't punch it in and they get the FG instead. The refs really only are costing the Panthers 4 points in that situation (7-3) by missing the call. Add in the FG gift from the first quarter on the horrid unnecessary roughness where Carolina legitimately got the stop on 3rd down, and the refs really only directly cost Carolina 7 points (4+3). They still lost by 13 so it didn't matter from an objective standpoint.

The whole game plays out differently if they get 3 or 0 instead of 7. You can't just subtract the points and call it the same. The lack-of-call didn't cost the Panthers the game, but it certainly gave the 49ers an edge. I doubt it would have mattered enough to change the outcome though.
 
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mikegg

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This is gonna sound a lot like butthurt, and I guess it is, but back to my gameday replies about horrible officiating... on SF's TD play to end the 1st half:



That was on the same play as the 12 men in the huddle no-call. I wish they hadn't done a review of whether Davis was inbounds on the play, because I think it distracted the refs from making the two calls they should have made on the play, which would have rendered the catch meaningless. And while SF punched Carolina in the mouth in the 2nd half, those two calls, and the bogus PI call on that late drive, and other calls as noted really killed Carolina's momentum. They outplayed SF in the 1st half and should have gone into the locker room with a solid lead. SF may have won the game anyway, but that doesn't excuse the terrible officiating.

The stakes in these games are too high to excuse bad officiating.
http://www.ninersnation.com/2014/1/...f-49ers-panthers-12-man-on-the-field-non-call

It turns out Pereira likely was wrong. After the game, lead official Carl Cheffers talked to the media about the call.

"I saw the player (McDonald) come off, but I had not yet marked the ball ready for play, so that is why I did not call it as a foul. The ball was not in play, yet. That's why I didn't call the foul on the play."
 

smackababy

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The whole game plays out differently if they get 3 or 0 instead of 7. You can't just subtract the points and call it the same. The lack-of-call didn't cost the Panthers the game, but it certainly gave the 49ers an edge. I doubt it would have mattered enough to change the outcome though.

Even if it changes everything, the Panthers scored only in the 2nd quarter. They couldn't score after half time. So, unless the 49ers not scoring due to that somehow make the Panthers offense more effective for the rest of the game, there is no reason to even argue it had anything to do with the outcome.
 

Imported

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Apparently Wisenhunt got $1million more from Tennessee than Detroit was offering.. money talks.
 

davmat787

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It's been posted before and shown to be terribly unfair to Kaep. I don't really like Kaep, but I do agree--he does a lot of stuff off the field for kids, as well, but it would be generally unfair to compare anyone to saint Wilson, obviously.

I honestly had never seen that .jpg before I posted it.

Anyway, it's good for Kaep that he has someone to look up to in Wilson. ()

Seriously now, I have nothing against Kaep other than being my teams rival QB. Let's all hope Kaep doesn't turn into Raepernick by pulling a Big Ben.
 

zinfamous

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Seriously now, I have nothing against Kaep other than being my teams rival QB. Let's all hope Kaep doesn't turn into Raepernick by pulling a Big Ben.

I really, honestly, truly hope that doesn't happen....


.....but I would love to use that nickname.
 

IndyColtsFan

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Plus, its easier to get in the playoffs in the AFC than it is in the NFC.

I'm not so sure about that, especially if you consider two factors:

1. The players currently on the team.
2. The rest of the division.

IMO, Detroit has far better players than Tennessee and play in a division where they are probably better overall than Chicago and Green Bay. I think they stand a far more likely chance of winning that division and getting that playoff bid than the Titans do of winning the AFC South or competing for a wildcard playoff spot. If Locker can't stay healthy, the Titans are toast fast.
 

IndyColtsFan

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I still don't understand how Caldwell keeps a job. He always seemed like he fell into successful positions and was *just* good enough to act like he was doing something there.

Do you know what Caldwell's job was before he was named head coach of the Colts? Wait for it.....wait for it......wait for it.....



He was PEYTON FREAKING MANNING'S "Quarterback Coach." Peyton Manning needing a QB coach is like Rosie O'Donnell needing an eating coach -- it borders on preposterous.

He got the Colts' HC job because Dungy went to bat for him, not because he was an awesome prospect or deserved it on merit. When Dungy retired, they didn't even bother interviewing anyone else -- Caldwell was the designated successor and all he had to do was stay out of the way and let the team win. His biggest mistake was getting rid of Ron Meeks and replacing him with Larry Coyer, whose buffoonery cost us a Super Bowl win.

EDIT: I can't blame Larry totally -- Chris Polian deserves a HUGE part of the blame for botching several drafts in a row with such great first round picks as Anthony Gonzalez and Jerry Hughes.
 
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You what might have been helpful to the Colts? If Peyton Manning had even allowed his backup to take any first team snaps
 

IndyColtsFan

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You what might have been helpful to the Colts? If Peyton Manning had even allowed his backup to take any first team snaps

What would've been helpful was if they had drafted wisely and had depth to back up injured players like Freeney, Bob Sanders, etc. and if they would've had a decent backup instead of Curtis Freaking Painter.

Bill Polian knew talent. His son Chris didn't and when Chris took over, it was quite the reign of terror at the Colts complex as he had a Napoleon complex while destroying the team through poor drafts.
 

rudeguy

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What's Jim Bob up to these days? He was an assistant on the Colts for awhile. Maybe it was under Caldwell -- so you may get your wish and Jim Bob may still yet be a Lion!

He is coaching in Denver.

I was trying to find a new coach and he caught my eye.
 

zinfamous

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He was PEYTON FREAKING MANNING'S "Quarterback Coach." Peyton Manning needing a QB coach is like Rosie O'Donnell needing an eating coach -- it borders on preposterous.

Nah, even the greats need notes, and coaching. Peyton Manning wouldn't be anything if he didn't think he was learning something new every year, or could keep learning from others.
 

Childs

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I'm not so sure about that, especially if you consider two factors:

1. The players currently on the team.
2. The rest of the division.

IMO, Detroit has far better players than Tennessee and play in a division where they are probably better overall than Chicago and Green Bay. I think they stand a far more likely chance of winning that division and getting that playoff bid than the Titans do of winning the AFC South or competing for a wildcard playoff spot. If Locker can't stay healthy, the Titans are toast fast.

I considered the just winning the NFC North, but as long as Greenbay has Rodgers for 10 games they will probably win the division. In the AFC 8 to 9 wins can get you in. The Cards could have had 11 wins and not gotten in. Obviously things change from year to year, but the bottom end of the playoff contenders in the NFC seem much better than in the AFC. No doubt Detroit has talent, but the franchise just seems broken.
 

davmat787

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Do you know what Caldwell's job was before he was named head coach of the Colts? Wait for it.....wait for it......wait for it.....



He was PEYTON FREAKING MANNING'S "Quarterback Coach." Peyton Manning needing a QB coach is like Rosie O'Donnell needing an eating coach -- it borders on preposterous.

Speaking of Manning and a QB "Coach", I saw it mentioned this season during a Denver game that Manning has a personal "on field entourage" or more likely a group of personal assistants. The group consisted of 2-4 personnel, and possibly was the same group from his days in Indy, and IIRC it was portrayed a QB having a group like this is particular to Manning.

Are you familiar with what I am alluding to, and if so, what exactly do they do? My guess would be his collection of aids that help collect data, present it to him, .etc to prep for that weeks opponent.
 

Capt Caveman

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Do you know what Caldwell's job was before he was named head coach of the Colts? Wait for it.....wait for it......wait for it.....



He was PEYTON FREAKING MANNING'S "Quarterback Coach." Peyton Manning needing a QB coach is like Rosie O'Donnell needing an eating coach -- it borders on preposterous.

He got the Colts' HC job because Dungy went to bat for him, not because he was an awesome prospect or deserved it on merit. When Dungy retired, they didn't even bother interviewing anyone else -- Caldwell was the designated successor and all he had to do was stay out of the way and let the team win. His biggest mistake was getting rid of Ron Meeks and replacing him with Larry Coyer, whose buffoonery cost us a Super Bowl win.

EDIT: I can't blame Larry totally -- Chris Polian deserves a HUGE part of the blame for botching several drafts in a row with such great first round picks as Anthony Gonzalez and Jerry Hughes.

Don't see the issue with a QB coach. Brady has always had one until he passed away. I forget his name but Brady would work with him all off-season, working on mechanics, footwork, pocket presence, etc. And after every game, Brady would speak to him to go over his game.

All QBs including Manning have missed seeing a wide open WR or did something wrong during the course of a game, having someone point those out and how to correct them can only make a QB better.

Edit - Tom Martinez

http://espn.go.com/blog/afceast/post/_/id/14930/tom-brady-still-listens-to-qb-whisperer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bNE9kjJVsMc
http://content.usatoday.com/communi...oun-death-of-quarterback-coach-tom-martinez/1

I believe Josh McDaniel and Bill O'Brien were one time Brady's QB coach.
 
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davmat787

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I know many people Richard Sherman is nothing but a punk. And on the field, he does talk trash just like many DB's and WR's. However, Sherman is an extremely smart guy, even graduating from Stanford. His on field antics are an act to get into the oppositions head.

The diva WR that was more prevalent during the 90's and early 00's drove me crazy, even if he was on my team.

Off the field, Sherman is a completely different person. To wit, check out this video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gH_otsw7jTE
 
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I know many people Richard Sherman is nothing but a punk. And on the field, he does talk trash just like many DB's and WR's. However, Sherman is an extremely smart guy, even graduating from Stanford. His on field antics are an act to get into the oppositions head.

The diva WR that was more prevalent during the 90's and early 00's drove me crazy, even if he was on my team.

Off the field, Sherman is a completely different person. To wit, check out this video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gH_otsw7jTE

His off the field antics are what annoy people. Talk on the field is one thing, talking off the field is far worse. And please, let's not pretend that everyone who goes to Stanford is smart, plenty of idiots can be found there.
 

The_Dude8

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Apparently Wisenhunt got $1million more from Tennessee than Detroit was offering.. money talks.

Detroit is broke, they spent all their money locking up stafford and megatron; while the titans only dump their money into cJ2k.

wonder if the titans will cut cj2k next season.
 

fustercluck

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I like Brady but him saying the Patriots are underdogs is just obnoxious. Zero people will be surprised if the Patriots beat the Broncos on Sunday.
 

fustercluck

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Well they're certainly not the favorites either. If you're not one you're the other really.

technically I suppose, but I don't think either team is an "underdog" in this game. The 49ers could make the same claim, going into Seattle where they haven't had any success, but I don't hear anyone on the 49ers playing the underdog card...although I'm sure one of the players has by now, or will by Sunday
 

glenn1

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I like Brady but him saying the Patriots are underdogs is just obnoxious. Zero people will be surprised if the Patriots beat the Broncos on Sunday.

The Vegas line on them is +5 (or a +180 moneyline if you're so inclined), so they're the underdog by the definition that makes the most sense. And of course no one will be "surprised" if they win, a predictive point spread doesn't become deterministic and prevent any alternative realities from occuring.
 
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