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wicktron

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The Lakers organization eph'ed up Kobe's years after he signed his big contract...

Look at the players they could have easily gotten but didn't get:
Baron Davis (he WANTED to be a Laker)
Ron Artest (he was going for pennies on the dollar)
Jason Kidd (Andrew Bynum is untouchable!?)

Here are the players they have received over the years:
Kwame Brown (over Caron Butler!?)
Vladmir Radmanovic (max mid-level exception)
Andrew Bynum (in 2005 draft, David Lee, Monta Ellis were still on the board)
Brian Cook (in 2003 draft, Josh Howard, Leandro Barbosa were still on the board)



The front office screwed this team up. If Jerry West were still with the organization:
1) Kobe & Shaq would not have been broken up
2) If they were broken up, they would have kept veteran character guys like Robert Horry & Derek Fisher
3) Even if they did lose those 2, he would have the balls to make a move for Baron Davis, Ron Artest and Jason Kidd



They were supposed to build quickly around Kobe, but instead hedged their bets on prospects for a long-term 5-7 year plan. But at that point, Kobe will be old, been in the league for too many years, and coming off of his prime. They're wasting Kobe's prime as we speak. Kobe's right -- they betrayed him, they gotta let him go.
 

iamme

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Jul 21, 2001
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Originally posted by: paulxcook
Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Originally posted by: James3shin
he wants to win....not going to win in LA

The reason he's not going to win in LA is because he fscked the entire team up with his antics. Nobody wants to work with this guy. I'm glad Shaq got a ring with another team before Kobe. Sweet sweet justice. :thumbsup:

Did you read the article where Shaq agreed it was the Lakers, not Kobe, that made sure he went somewhere else?

Or are you referring to other antics that I'm not familiar with?

yup, it's been documented that the Lakers had decided to keep Kobe and dump Shaq. it wasn't Kobe demanding that Shaq be traded. Kobe became the bad guy in the situation and shame on the Lakers organization for not setting the record straight.

Kobe may be a ball hog, but he's the most offensively gifted player in the NBA right now. he's a pretty good defender as well.
 

wicktron

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Originally posted by: wicktron
The Lakers organization eph'ed up Kobe's years after he signed his big contract...

Look at the players they could have easily gotten but didn't get:
Baron Davis (he WANTED to be a Laker)
Ron Artest (he was going for pennies on the dollar)
Jason Kidd (Andrew Bynum is untouchable!?)

Here are the players they have received over the years:
Kwame Brown (over Caron Butler!?)
Vladmir Radmanovic (max mid-level exception)
Andrew Bynum (in 2005 draft, David Lee, Monta Ellis were still on the board)
Brian Cook (in 2003 draft, Josh Howard, Leandro Barbosa were still on the board)



The front office screwed this team up. If Jerry West were still with the organization:
1) Kobe & Shaq would not have been broken up
2) If they were broken up, they would have kept veteran character guys like Robert Horry & Derek Fisher
3) Even if they did lose those 2, he would have the balls to make a move for Baron Davis, Ron Artest and Jason Kidd



They were supposed to build quickly around Kobe, but instead hedged their bets on prospects for a long-term 5-7 year plan. But at that point, Kobe will be old, been in the league for too many years, and coming off of his prime. They're wasting Kobe's prime as we speak. Kobe's right -- they betrayed him, they gotta let him go.

This being said, I'm not a Lakers fan. I'm a NorCal basketball fan so that means Kings/Warriors. I just don't see how they're making any sort of right moves to maximize Kobe's ability. Sure Kobe signed for a lot of many, probably too much; but they shouldn't have been going ultra young so quickly. Front office has a lot to do with the successes of teams. Mitch Kupchak just isn't up to par.
 

PaNsyBoy8

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Originally posted by: wicktron
Originally posted by: wicktron
The Lakers organization eph'ed up Kobe's years after he signed his big contract...

Look at the players they could have easily gotten but didn't get:
Baron Davis (he WANTED to be a Laker)
Ron Artest (he was going for pennies on the dollar)
Jason Kidd (Andrew Bynum is untouchable!?)

Here are the players they have received over the years:
Kwame Brown (over Caron Butler!?)
Vladmir Radmanovic (max mid-level exception)
Andrew Bynum (in 2005 draft, David Lee, Monta Ellis were still on the board)
Brian Cook (in 2003 draft, Josh Howard, Leandro Barbosa were still on the board)



The front office screwed this team up. If Jerry West were still with the organization:
1) Kobe & Shaq would not have been broken up
2) If they were broken up, they would have kept veteran character guys like Robert Horry & Derek Fisher
3) Even if they did lose those 2, he would have the balls to make a move for Baron Davis, Ron Artest and Jason Kidd



They were supposed to build quickly around Kobe, but instead hedged their bets on prospects for a long-term 5-7 year plan. But at that point, Kobe will be old, been in the league for too many years, and coming off of his prime. They're wasting Kobe's prime as we speak. Kobe's right -- they betrayed him, they gotta let him go.

This being said, I'm not a Lakers fan. I'm a NorCal basketball fan so that means Kings/Warriors. I just don't see how they're making any sort of right moves to maximize Kobe's ability. Sure Kobe signed for a lot of many, probably too much; but they shouldn't have been going ultra young so quickly. Front office has a lot to do with the successes of teams. Mitch Kupchak just isn't up to par.


is it mitch or is it jim buss?

while mitch is the gm, it is the buss family that signs the checks. i think jim buss needs to stop trying to be gm and let mitch do his job.
 

Miramonti

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Aug 26, 2000
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Originally posted by: PaNsyBoy8
Originally posted by: wicktron
Originally posted by: wicktron
The Lakers organization eph'ed up Kobe's years after he signed his big contract...

Look at the players they could have easily gotten but didn't get:
Baron Davis (he WANTED to be a Laker)
Ron Artest (he was going for pennies on the dollar)
Jason Kidd (Andrew Bynum is untouchable!?)

Here are the players they have received over the years:
Kwame Brown (over Caron Butler!?)
Vladmir Radmanovic (max mid-level exception)
Andrew Bynum (in 2005 draft, David Lee, Monta Ellis were still on the board)
Brian Cook (in 2003 draft, Josh Howard, Leandro Barbosa were still on the board)



The front office screwed this team up. If Jerry West were still with the organization:
1) Kobe & Shaq would not have been broken up
2) If they were broken up, they would have kept veteran character guys like Robert Horry & Derek Fisher
3) Even if they did lose those 2, he would have the balls to make a move for Baron Davis, Ron Artest and Jason Kidd



They were supposed to build quickly around Kobe, but instead hedged their bets on prospects for a long-term 5-7 year plan. But at that point, Kobe will be old, been in the league for too many years, and coming off of his prime. They're wasting Kobe's prime as we speak. Kobe's right -- they betrayed him, they gotta let him go.

This being said, I'm not a Lakers fan. I'm a NorCal basketball fan so that means Kings/Warriors. I just don't see how they're making any sort of right moves to maximize Kobe's ability. Sure Kobe signed for a lot of many, probably too much; but they shouldn't have been going ultra young so quickly. Front office has a lot to do with the successes of teams. Mitch Kupchak just isn't up to par.


is it mitch or is it jim buss?

while mitch is the gm, it is the buss family that signs the checks. i think jim buss needs to stop trying to be gm and let mitch do his job.

I wouldn't mind knowing more about that...I've always blamed Kupchak but can't say I know what good or bad influence the buss jr. and his pops have on the final decisions.
 

PaNsyBoy8

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Jul 19, 2001
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Originally posted by: jjsole
Originally posted by: PaNsyBoy8
Originally posted by: wicktron
Originally posted by: wicktron
The Lakers organization eph'ed up Kobe's years after he signed his big contract...

Look at the players they could have easily gotten but didn't get:
Baron Davis (he WANTED to be a Laker)
Ron Artest (he was going for pennies on the dollar)
Jason Kidd (Andrew Bynum is untouchable!?)

Here are the players they have received over the years:
Kwame Brown (over Caron Butler!?)
Vladmir Radmanovic (max mid-level exception)
Andrew Bynum (in 2005 draft, David Lee, Monta Ellis were still on the board)
Brian Cook (in 2003 draft, Josh Howard, Leandro Barbosa were still on the board)



The front office screwed this team up. If Jerry West were still with the organization:
1) Kobe & Shaq would not have been broken up
2) If they were broken up, they would have kept veteran character guys like Robert Horry & Derek Fisher
3) Even if they did lose those 2, he would have the balls to make a move for Baron Davis, Ron Artest and Jason Kidd



They were supposed to build quickly around Kobe, but instead hedged their bets on prospects for a long-term 5-7 year plan. But at that point, Kobe will be old, been in the league for too many years, and coming off of his prime. They're wasting Kobe's prime as we speak. Kobe's right -- they betrayed him, they gotta let him go.

This being said, I'm not a Lakers fan. I'm a NorCal basketball fan so that means Kings/Warriors. I just don't see how they're making any sort of right moves to maximize Kobe's ability. Sure Kobe signed for a lot of many, probably too much; but they shouldn't have been going ultra young so quickly. Front office has a lot to do with the successes of teams. Mitch Kupchak just isn't up to par.


is it mitch or is it jim buss?

while mitch is the gm, it is the buss family that signs the checks. i think jim buss needs to stop trying to be gm and let mitch do his job.

I wouldn't mind knowing more about that...I've always blamed Kupchak but can't say I know what good or bad influence the buss jr. and his pops have on the final decisions.



http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-2...rs-Must-Get-Front-Office-in-Order.html

Here's a good read.
 

noto12ious

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Aug 24, 2001
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Originally posted by: UncleWai
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/index?lpos=globalnav&lid=gn_NBA_NBA

This guy is a sore loser.

QFMFT.

You gotta love kobe fangirls. It's everyone's fault except kobe's! right?

kobe the cancer

Sooner or later, Kobe Bryant turns on everyone in his life. Professional, personal, it's never mattered to him. He can be calculated and merciless this way. When he wants something, it seems everyone's disposable.

So, it is little surprise to discover that, through a source who has spoken with Jerry West, that the Logo is downright livid with Bryant for demanding West's return to the Los Angeles Lakers at the expense of his protégé, Mitch Kupchak.

Maybe there was a chance that West could've come back with the Lakers, but Bryant's self-absorbed and self-destructive crusade to crush Kupchak over Memorial Day weekend has made it far less likely.

Yes, West and Bryant have always shared the bond of cutthroat competitiveness, DNA that demands greatness of themselves and those surrounding them. For both, it has been a blessing and a curse, but it's an undeniable thread that runs through them.

Yet, here's the difference: West is legendarily loyal.

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Once West's contract expires with the Grizzlies after the NBA draft, perhaps there had been a possibility that he could return to the Lakers as a consultant. Nothing has been discussed with owner Jerry Buss, the source said, and West issued a statement on Monday night insisting that he would never, ever do anything that would undermine Kupchak.

"Kobe has to turn on everyone at some point, cut people and ties in almost every relationship in his life," a former Bryant associate said Monday. "He turns on people because he believes he's not getting what he deserves. He has a one-track mind that thinks the world revolves around him and doesn't take a second to consider the costs, or what's the best way to handle something.

"This is the same stuff he did with (Shaquille O'Neal). He would leak the story, instigate it and then not understand why it never worked. Shaq is still more beloved than Kobe, and he will always be in L.A. People have seen this all before with Kobe. This never turns out right for him."

Bryant has stayed true to character in this embarrassing episode, going back and forth on his demands over the weekend. First, he ripped Kupchak, insisting that he had been, more or less, incompetent on the job. Then he told ESPN the Magazine that, unless West was brought back to run the Lakers, he wanted a trade. Once that got out, Bryant must have understood he had far overplayed his hand, done devastating damage to the mythical rehabilitation of his image.

He knew he had gone too far. He should've apologized and acknowledged he was out of line talking this way.

Only, he denied saying it, despite the fact that the writer has been a long-time confidant. Typical Kobe, selling out someone else.

"I'm not demanding anything," Bryant told the Riverside Press-Enterprise just after he had spent the weekend demanding everything.

"I'm not trying to throw Mitch under the bus, or (Lakers VP) Jim (Buss) under the bus," he told the Orange County Register just after he just spent the weekend doing just that.

For now, Kupchak loses leverage with his peers while trying to work trades this summer. This isn't the first time Bryant has created this kind of chaos for the franchise. As one NBA executive said Monday: "That made it harder for Mitch to get fair market value for Shaq. Everybody knew that Kobe's conditions to re-sign made it impossible for Shaq to stay, and Mitch had to take the Miami offer, which was the best on the table. Kobe needs to look in the mirror on that one."

Here's something else, too. Kobe thinks everyone in the NBA wants to play with him, and it isn't true. He was complaining that the Lakers could've had his buddy, Carlos Boozer, a year ago, but the Jazz were never going to trade him for Lamar Odom. Yes, there are players who'll take a trade to the Lakers, but make no mistake: It isn?t because they're enamored with the idea of hanging with Kobe.

It isn't just that Kobe doesn't have friends in his own locker room, but elsewhere too. One associate remembers a party for Bryant's daughter several years ago, when he looked around and saw no one but people who worked for Kobe. "No friends, no teammates ? just agents, a barber, P.R. people ? Everyone there was on the payroll."

Maybe Kupchak hasn't done the best job in the world in these three years post-Shaq (the Caron Butler-Kwame Brown trade crushed the Lakers), but he made sure that private jet flew Kobe back and forth to his rape hearings in Colorado. He made sure the organization supported him unconditionally during that humiliating time for the franchise. His reward? Kobe opted out of his contract, threatened to leave for the Clippers and declared that he wanted a basketball career free of Shaq to indulge his own shooting and scoring desires.

"Now, Kobe would go to the public with his stuff on Shaq, and he would never win," the ex-associate said. "He'd instigate, like he did with Kupchak, and he always comes out looking the same way."

Of course, that's selfish and short-sighted. Bryant wanted to show the world who runs the Lakers again, and that's wonderful and all, except that he's made it harder for the Lakers to get better this summer. Three years ago, he chased out Shaq and Phil Jackson and was granted his wish for a franchise that was all about indulging him.

So sure, West drafted Bryant into the NBA, delivered him O'Neal at center and constructed a three-time champion. What's more, the game's greatest G.M. wisely got out of Los Angeles before Kobe crushed him under his thumb, before West could be a target for Bryant.

He's a smart man to stay away for good because he understands the inevitable here: Sooner or later, Kobe Bryant turns on everyone.


 

dahunan

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Originally posted by: noto12ious
Originally posted by: UncleWai
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/index?lpos=globalnav&lid=gn_NBA_NBA

This guy is a sore loser.

QFMFT.

You gotta love kobe fangirls. It's everyone's fault except kobe's! right?

That guys article is a piece of ******.. seriously.. the quotes he chose to put in his article are ****** and even Shaq said he knows Kobe wasn't responsible for him leaving

You are a ignoramus who doesn't look at the whole picture.. you take the medias side and don't do any investigating on your own.. You sound like a Bush Voter
 

isekii

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Mar 16, 2001
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most people that are complaing must be laker fans.

They can't stand the fact that the management ****** up and now Kobe wants to be traded.

I wonder if they'll boo kobe more than toronto fans boo carter.

LMAO~!!!
 

TheNinja

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He didn't want to share with Shaq b/c he wanted to win on his own......ooops, bad move Kobe.
 

glutenberg

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Come on people, if you're going to make comments, can you at least read the article? If you're going to bash Kobe, at least bash him for something else other than what the article explicitly disproves.
 

KingGheedora

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Originally posted by: EKKC
i think there's some truth to what he said, that he did not orchestrate shaq's departure, no matter how much the shaq-kobe fight lasted, they did win 3 rings together after all.

and there's no reason why shaq would confirm what kobe said, unless they're for some reason BFFs now. but he did, so i think Buss is to blame for the destruction of the LAkers

Is there a link to an article on Kobe talking about not being the cause of Shaq's departure? And also one on Shaq confirming what Kobe said?
 

Ricochet

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Originally posted by: KingGheedora
Originally posted by: EKKC
i think there's some truth to what he said, that he did not orchestrate shaq's departure, no matter how much the shaq-kobe fight lasted, they did win 3 rings together after all.

and there's no reason why shaq would confirm what kobe said, unless they're for some reason BFFs now. but he did, so i think Buss is to blame for the destruction of the LAkers

Is there a link to an article on Kobe talking about not being the cause of Shaq's departure? And also one on Shaq confirming what Kobe said?

Just one click from the OP provided link and you should have the story.
 

Miramonti

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Originally posted by: OneOfTheseDays
Guys.......he's not going anywhere. I just listened to the latest Dan Patrick interview and Kobe completely backed off his previous stance. The Steven A. Smith interview he did was before he talked with Phil Jackson, the one person he trusts within the Laker's organization. PJ has a lot of confidence that they can get this mess sorted out and get the Lakers back on track. This has really swayed Kobe's opinion a lot and his stance during this interview was almost a complete 180.

He is frustrated no doubt, and if there are no major changes between now and '09 he will re-sign elsewhere. But between now and then he isn't going anywhere.

There's some merit to the conversation with Phil, but there's a lot more than that.

Here's the latest: According to Greg Anthony on espn, who talked to Kobe, the difference now is that Kobe has found out who the source is within the Lakers organization, and that its not just 'an anonymous' person mouthing off, that its someone 'prominent.' (ie perhaps Kupchak or Jim Buss)

Phil was pissed about hearing who said the comment, and said its a very serious issue, serious enough that if its true some heads should role.

So that's the only thing that will keep Kobe in LA...if they stand by him...and he see's some heads (a head) role in the front office.

So let's see some heads role!
 

Miramonti

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Originally posted by: PaNsyBoy8
Originally posted by: jjsole
Originally posted by: PaNsyBoy8
Originally posted by: wicktron
Originally posted by: wicktron
The Lakers organization eph'ed up Kobe's years after he signed his big contract...

Look at the players they could have easily gotten but didn't get:
Baron Davis (he WANTED to be a Laker)
Ron Artest (he was going for pennies on the dollar)
Jason Kidd (Andrew Bynum is untouchable!?)

Here are the players they have received over the years:
Kwame Brown (over Caron Butler!?)
Vladmir Radmanovic (max mid-level exception)
Andrew Bynum (in 2005 draft, David Lee, Monta Ellis were still on the board)
Brian Cook (in 2003 draft, Josh Howard, Leandro Barbosa were still on the board)



The front office screwed this team up. If Jerry West were still with the organization:
1) Kobe & Shaq would not have been broken up
2) If they were broken up, they would have kept veteran character guys like Robert Horry & Derek Fisher
3) Even if they did lose those 2, he would have the balls to make a move for Baron Davis, Ron Artest and Jason Kidd



They were supposed to build quickly around Kobe, but instead hedged their bets on prospects for a long-term 5-7 year plan. But at that point, Kobe will be old, been in the league for too many years, and coming off of his prime. They're wasting Kobe's prime as we speak. Kobe's right -- they betrayed him, they gotta let him go.

This being said, I'm not a Lakers fan. I'm a NorCal basketball fan so that means Kings/Warriors. I just don't see how they're making any sort of right moves to maximize Kobe's ability. Sure Kobe signed for a lot of many, probably too much; but they shouldn't have been going ultra young so quickly. Front office has a lot to do with the successes of teams. Mitch Kupchak just isn't up to par.


is it mitch or is it jim buss?

while mitch is the gm, it is the buss family that signs the checks. i think jim buss needs to stop trying to be gm and let mitch do his job.

I wouldn't mind knowing more about that...I've always blamed Kupchak but can't say I know what good or bad influence the buss jr. and his pops have on the final decisions.



http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-2...rs-Must-Get-Front-Office-in-Order.html

Here's a good read.

Good link, thx. I've really been clueless about who Jim Buss is in the front office, but all the shortcomings apparently go a lot deeper than just calling Kupchak an inept GM (even if he turns out to be )
 

PaNsyBoy8

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I read anohter article awhile back on jim buss, and how he has his own way of how he wants the lakers to run and right now he's slowly moving in that direction and once he has ownership of the team, he's going to run things differently.
 
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