Kobe vs. Jordan (in his prime)

FelixDeCat

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Isnt jordan comming out of retirement, again? Actually Shaq is better than both these guys.
 

zippy

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FelixDeKat, shaq is just a large human being and knows a few post moves. He is just physically imposing and no one can hold their own against such a big person. On defense he is so big that he is intimidating and takes up the whole damn lane...woop-de-doo, he learned to time his jumps so his insanely long arms and huge hands can block some shots. His shot blocking technique isn't even that great- he tends to swat instead of block with the intent of keeping the ball inbounds.

Not to mention, how can you compare a center and a shooting guard?
 

babyg722

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shaq is sux. MJ is 10x better than kobe. kobe is conceited and doesnt read the books jackson assigns him. MJ made everyone else better. shaq is just big and he still cant make a free throw. thats sad.
 

glenn1

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<< Kobe vs. Michael Jordan: So who do you put your money on? >>



Dr. J (Julius Erving).
 

zippy

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<< Dr. J (Julius Erving). >>

While I agree that he was greatly underrated, most likely due to his total game being overshadowed by his hang time and dunking abilities, I don't think he's in MJ's class. He could probably take Kobe though.

Guys, don't forget that the level of competition has gone down in recent years...we're seeing more and more 1v1 and 2v2 play- almost no team play. Horrible shooting and more turn overs too. Also, where's the fast break (on all teams but the Kings and Suns)?!
 

glenn1

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<< While I agree that he was greatly underrated, most likely due to his total game being overshadowed by his hang time and dunking abilities, I don't think he's in MJ's class. He could probably take Kobe though. >>



Tough to say between Dr. J and MJ. Dr. J and Moses Malone, however, would have utterly destroyed Shaq and Kobe..
 

FelixDeCat

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FelixDeKat, shaq is just a large human being and knows a few post moves. He is just physically imposing and no one can hold their own against such a big person.

So your are saying its not just his brains and talent but brawn as well? Im glad we agree.


On defense he is so big that he is intimidating and takes up the whole damn lane...woop-de-doo, he learned to time his jumps so his insanely long arms and huge hands can block some shots. His shot blocking technique isn't even that great- he tends to swat instead of block with the intent of keeping the ball inbounds.

Swatting, blocking...so what as long as he gets the job done.

You can keep Michael Jordan.

BTW. That was a nice reply on your part but your bias is glaring.
 

Jgtdragon

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This thread is a joke. Have you seen Jordan play in his prime? Jordan is way better than Kobe. Kobe can't even carry MJ's shoe.
 

imported_vr6

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kobe can't even beat Iverson yet. It would be intersting to see Iverson and MJ play though.. who u guys think will win..most likely MJ?
 

NJArtist

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Don't get me wrong, I'm a big MJ fan myself...strived to watch basically every game he ever played. But you have to give credit to Kobe cuz it's deserved...I was just thinking, what if the Lakers didn't have a Shaq and Kobe had to carry the team by himself? Would we be seeing him averaging 40pts/10rb/2stl per game? I agree that his game is not as well rounded as Jordan's was....yet. He started to look like a better teammate towards the end of last season tho.
 

jbahseng

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<< Don't get me wrong, I'm a big MJ fan myself...strived to watch basically every game he ever played. But you have to give credit to Kobe cuz it's deserved...I was just thinking, what if the Lakers didn't have a Shaq and Kobe had to carry the team by himself? Would we be seeing him averaging 40pts/10rb/2stl per game? I agree that his game is not as well rounded as Jordan's was....yet. He started to look like a better teammate towards the end of last season tho. >>



Yeah, he might need to take 40 shots to get 40 pts.
 

dvda

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Offensively Kobe is almost as good as MJ was in his prime. To say MJ in his prime is also starnge. Are we talking about the 25 year old MJ that could fly but who could not really hit from beyond 18 with any consistancy, but who was fast enough to not have to? Or are you talking about the 31 year old MJ who was still sickeningly athletic, but not like before and who could shoot the lights out on some nights and hold his own shooting from 3 on others?

Either way MJ would bury Kobe. Kobe has better range, but is a bit slower, can't fly like Mike and cannot play anywhere near the level of defense that MJ played. That is really the biggest difference between the two. Offensively I think Kobes better shot almost eqauls MJs supperior athleticism and toughness, but defensively Kobe cannot do what MJ did. He cannot time blocking shots anywhere near as well, not can he deal with anyone taller than 6'3. Anyone 6'4 or taller can and has posted him up.

As to Dr. J he was great, but not in MJ's league. Only three other non-Centers can compare to Jordan. Those would have to be Isiah Thomas, Magic, and Bird. I can't really say OScar Robertson because he played in such a different time that it would be unfair to pass judgement one way or the other.

As to Shaq, physically he is without equal. He is HUGE, monstrously stong, very agile, and a very good low post player. He does not have the desire to be a great defender, though he has the tools to be one. He just can't hit a free throw and there is no way that he could even really play a game of 1-1 with a guard. Neither one could stop the other with any consistancy. Shaq would get a few blocks and the guard would get a few steals but it would not be an intersting game as Shaq would back the smaller guy down and the smaller guy would take it outside and either shoot over or get around Shaq.
 

dafatha00

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kobe can't even beat Iverson yet. It would be intersting to see Iverson and MJ play though.. who u guys think will win..most likely MJ?

While, MJ is definitely better than Kobe
Kobe will school Iverson like crazy.


The only reason Iverson scores so much is because he takes so many freakin shots.

Kobe is a better shooter and a better defender.
 

gwlam12

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You can't compare the two. They played in a whole different league. Who cares how many baskets they made? They played against different defenders and had different teammates. You can't compare.
 

SirDante

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No not again.

Let's please make comparisons when Kobe hits his prime. We can at least agree he hasn't already right?
 

dvda

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Who knows. Look at Penny Hardaway...... And to me it seems like Kobe lost a half a step after he hurt his ankle this winter. He just doesn't look as quick and I haven't seen him jump as high as he did during the first half of the season.
 

RanDum72

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His Airiness, MJ, is WAY better than Kobe. MJ is more accurate, much better all around, and his attitude is much more mature. A true champ. Probbaly because he went to college and Kobe did not
 
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