Koolance Liquid Cooled Case and Complete Water Cooling Kit

[ezland00]

deal is dead?

 

[Drizzy]

Yes, hours and hours ago...

 

[DrPizza]

Originally posted by: aldamon

Originally posted by: RIGorous1


once every 6 months? You must be a newb or weak overclocker... if your resevoir is not appropriately filled you'll get airbubbles in your circulation which defeats the purpose of "watercooling". Not to mention if not monitored correctly you can fry your CPU, northbridge, videocard, etc. (wherever you have a block hooked up), because without a constant waterflow your cpu heats up fast. Consider:An athlon will fry in 2 seconds without a HSF, if a pocket of air builds up in your block, how long do you think it'll take to overheat? I don't know and I don't want to know.

Don't listen to this guy, 6 months is an exageration, even if he's telling the truth you have to wonder about the exact condition of his watercooling system after that 6 months, and why he needs to buy another one

I'm gonna stop trying to covince you people about the pitfalls of the technology. There are pros and cons, and watercooling is a large step from a simple HSF. There are risks involved and time used, all of which is unnecessary if you would just stay with a quality HSF.

If you don't believe me then try it for yourself, then ask yourself if I lied to you.

Originally posted by: RIGorous1
NO. One thing that watercooling people will tell you right away is the Friggin' hassle the whole damn thing is. You should clean the water every month or so (think for a second how you are going to get the water out), installation is often quite difficult (as the blocks often need screws to your motherboard and often crush the core), and upgrades are even more horrendous (take out everything in the way, often times that is everything).

For example, I upgraded my cpu, so guess what I had to take the block off, but what is the block hooked up to? The back of the motherboard. Can I reach the back of the motherboard? No because the motherboard is mounted vertically with the case. But what is blocking the motherboard from removal? The video card, pci cards, hard drive, cdrom, and a few fans. Holy Carp! A simple cpu upgrade took 4 hours and the removal and replacement of nearly every component.

:disgust:

Unless you are a hardcore overclocker who loves to take his/her computer apart constantly, then buy this. Otherwise stick to a good HSF like the Zalman's.

What are you talking about? These are the most ridiculous posts I've read in a while. I would gather most watercoolers would disagree with your FUD 100%.

1.) If you take the necessary steps to prevent growth in your water, a six-month cleaning cycle is not unheard of. I use Water Wetter and I went several months without changing the water. Zero performance was lost. At work, algacides are used in the water baths on our testers with little trouble. Controlling life in water has been done for years in a ton of industries. It's not rocket science, nor is it incovenient.

2.) Only an idiot would let his reservoir become empty because of evaporation. The point of a reservoir is to provide extra water to the system. Most reservoirs I've seen are transparent. The water level is clearly visible. I have a 32 oz reservoir and Tygon tubing. Evaporation is negligible.

3.) Airbubbles are removed by the reservoir in minutes or even seconds. That's one of the reservoir's greatest advantages over a T-line!

4.) Your comment about frying components makes little sense. Most computers these days can be set to shut down if temperatures reach a certain level. Even if the pump dies, the water in the system will cover your ass until the system shuts down on its own. This is a simple BIOS setting. If you're worried about leaks frying parts, then you're not using good tubing. The Tygon tubing I use at home is the same tubing we use as work. No trouble whatsoever as long as $0.50 clamps are used. Again, those who use insecure, cheap tubing beware.

5.) Water cooling is not a hassle. MOST watercoolers will NOT say it's a hassle. I feel the change to water cooling was very rewarding. Computing is a hobby for me and water cooling enhanced my experience.

6.) If I need to clean my system, I remove water through the reservoir using (gasp) a $1.00 turkey baster. It takes all of five minutes to empty.

7.) What are you talking about with the CPU upgrade taking 4 hours? The support bolts are a one-time installation. Once they're in place, you can swap out the CPU as many times as you want without removing the motherboard. Also, this "hassle" is not exclusive to water cooling. Most of the high-end air coolers use the bolt interface these days. It's creates a more secure connection for the large, heavy copper coolers.

Gahhhhhhhhh!!!!!! I was going to jump on this deal, then was persuaded that it was a bad thing to do. I didn't have the time to do the research myself or I would have ended up getting it. Oh well, next time I'll jump on the deal. I wonder why Rig hates watercooling so much?

 

[Creig]

Ditto what aldaman said. I have a Koolance PC2-C and the only thing I do to it is check the water level occasionally. The other benefit of water cooling that seems to have been overlooked are the low noise levels. You can run your computer cooler and quieter on water than you can on air. So there are multiple benefits to water cooling.

 

[weepul]

wat was the original price? i didnt see anyone mention it.

//krunk (^_^x)

 

[Pothead]

99+ shipping (around 20ish)

 

[Drizzy]

Again DAMMIT! I had it ready to hit "add to cart". I wish I had known more about it... but people werent recommending it.. it sounded like you were really lucky if it worked fine and didnt leak or cause problems on your system!

 

[Bot69]

Water is getting no where near my $600 worth of parts... :|

 

[RIGorous1]

Originally posted by: aldamon

Originally posted by: RIGorous1


once every 6 months? You must be a newb or weak overclocker... if your resevoir is not appropriately filled you'll get airbubbles in your circulation which defeats the purpose of "watercooling". Not to mention if not monitored correctly you can fry your CPU, northbridge, videocard, etc. (wherever you have a block hooked up), because without a constant waterflow your cpu heats up fast. Consider:An athlon will fry in 2 seconds without a HSF, if a pocket of air builds up in your block, how long do you think it'll take to overheat? I don't know and I don't want to know.

Don't listen to this guy, 6 months is an exageration, even if he's telling the truth you have to wonder about the exact condition of his watercooling system after that 6 months, and why he needs to buy another one

I'm gonna stop trying to covince you people about the pitfalls of the technology. There are pros and cons, and watercooling is a large step from a simple HSF. There are risks involved and time used, all of which is unnecessary if you would just stay with a quality HSF.

If you don't believe me then try it for yourself, then ask yourself if I lied to you.

Originally posted by: RIGorous1
NO. One thing that watercooling people will tell you right away is the Friggin' hassle the whole damn thing is. You should clean the water every month or so (think for a second how you are going to get the water out), installation is often quite difficult (as the blocks often need screws to your motherboard and often crush the core), and upgrades are even more horrendous (take out everything in the way, often times that is everything).

For example, I upgraded my cpu, so guess what I had to take the block off, but what is the block hooked up to? The back of the motherboard. Can I reach the back of the motherboard? No because the motherboard is mounted vertically with the case. But what is blocking the motherboard from removal? The video card, pci cards, hard drive, cdrom, and a few fans. Holy Carp! A simple cpu upgrade took 4 hours and the removal and replacement of nearly every component.

:disgust:

Unless you are a hardcore overclocker who loves to take his/her computer apart constantly, then buy this. Otherwise stick to a good HSF like the Zalman's.

What are you talking about? These are the most ridiculous posts I've read in a while. I would gather most watercoolers would disagree with your FUD 100%.

1.) If you take the necessary steps to prevent growth in your water, a six-month cleaning cycle is not unheard of. I use Water Wetter and I went several months without changing the water. Zero performance was lost. At work, algacides are used in the water baths on our testers with little trouble. Controlling life in water has been done for years in a ton of industries. It's not rocket science, nor is it incovenient.

2.) Only an idiot would let his reservoir become empty because of evaporation. The point of a reservoir is to provide extra water to the system. Most reservoirs I've seen are transparent. The water level is clearly visible. I have a 32 oz reservoir and Tygon tubing. Evaporation is negligible.

3.) Airbubbles are removed by the reservoir in minutes or even seconds. That's one of the reservoir's greatest advantages over a T-line!

4.) Your comment about frying components makes little sense. Most computers these days can be set to shut down if temperatures reach a certain level. Even if the pump dies, the water in the system will cover your ass until the system shuts down on its own. This is a simple BIOS setting. If you're worried about leaks frying parts, then you're not using good tubing. The Tygon tubing I use at home is the same tubing we use as work. No trouble whatsoever as long as $0.50 clamps are used. Again, those who use insecure, cheap tubing beware.

5.) Water cooling is not a hassle. MOST watercoolers will NOT say it's a hassle. I feel the change to water cooling was very rewarding. Computing is a hobby for me and water cooling enhanced my experience.

6.) If I need to clean my system, I remove water through the reservoir using (gasp) a $1.00 turkey baster. It takes all of five minutes to empty.

7.) What are you talking about with the CPU upgrade taking 4 hours? The support bolts are a one-time installation. Once they're in place, you can swap out the CPU as many times as you want without removing the motherboard. Also, this "hassle" is not exclusive to water cooling. Most of the high-end air coolers use the bolt interface these days. It's creates a more secure connection for the large, heavy copper coolers.

this guy doesn't know what the hell he's talking about...

Evaporation negligible? Talk to some real overclockers who run 2.4c's @ 3.4+ Ghz or 1700+ @ 2.1+ Ghz and ask then if evaporation is negligible. Evaporation is a friggin' function of water temps you dip sh!t, so don't make stupid comments tearing me down if can't grasp that concept.

Hassle is a relative term, if you like spending lots of time on your system then that's your own business. That's why I also said, "But you take the good with the bad and once you understand yourself and your circumstance, then you make a decision." So stop pulling my quotes out of context and other people thinking that I hate watercooling because I don't.

You don't have any problems with bubbles? Just because you don't have problems it doesn't mean that others won't. Let me ask how big your resevoir is and how strong is your pump? Because often with strong pumps like my eheim 1250 the pump creates bubbles due to the water turbulance. Either you have a large radiator, a cheap pump, or your not even talking about the koolance system. look look at that resevoir/pump system and tell me you don't see potential for turbulance problems.

Oh and you use a turkey baster to empty your watercooling system eh? does that turkey baster fit inside your block? NO, obviously not... so that means you haven't been cleaning all the water out of your system... Think of all the culture that lives inside the block and radiator walls while you leave the water inside. If that's what you call clean then I'd hate to hear how you take a shower.

Go back to your cubical noob.

 

[davew0670]

I'll still buy one from anyone who changes their mind

 

[Boardmonger]

Koolance is not good! I ran one of their systems and had 2 parts fail on me. The water resivor and my cpu cooler started leaking. They replaced by resivor but after the cpu cooler started leaking and toasted a MB and proc I decided it wasn't worth the effort. I am not saying I won't ever watter cool again, but I will say it won't be a KOOLANCE product!

 

[Tom]

"Evaporation is a friggin' function of water temps you dip sh!t, so don't make stupid comments tearing me down if can't grasp that concept. "


How does evaporation occur in a closed system ?

 

[RIGorous1]

Originally posted by: Dead Parrot Sketch
"Evaporation is a friggin' function of water temps you dip sh!t, so don't make stupid comments tearing me down if can't grasp that concept. "


How does evaporation occur in a closed system ?

just because you seal it, it doesn't mean that water can't get through... do you honestly think you're getting a perfectly sealed watersystem?

H20 is a small molecule and can fit through nearly anywhere. Think back to elementary days when the teacher taught you about diffusion.

 

[Tom]

"H20 is a small molecule and can fit through nearly anywhere. "

Does the Navy know about this ?


Seriously, it's perfectly possible to build a system that doesn't leak. My 97 Plymouth hasn't needed fluid added in the 6 years I've had it.

And these computer cooling systems shouldn't be anywhere near as hard to keep from leaking, since they don't operate at temps from -20f to 230f.


Losses from leaks isn't the same thing as evaporation, which should not occur in a closed system.

 

[RIGorous1]

Originally posted by: Dead Parrot Sketch
"H20 is a small molecule and can fit through nearly anywhere. "

Does the Navy know about this ?


Seriously, it's perfectly possible to build a system that doesn't leak. My 97 Plymouth hasn't needed fluid added in the 6 years I've had it.

And these computer cooling systems shouldn't be anywhere near as hard to keep from leaking, since they don't operate at temps anywhere from -20f to 230f.


Losses from leaks isn't the same thing as evaporation, which should not occur in a closed system.

Yes, the navy knows about this... note the diction of my words... nearly

Think how much a submarine costs, then your car, then this watercooling system.

Let me ask you again, "do you honestly think you're getting a perfectly sealed water system."

Edit: oh and with the example of your car, you probably use coolant, not water. Not everyone will use coolant because 1. its expensive 2. its unnecessary 3. it smells, is hazzardous to your health and takes many generations to decompose (is that something you want in your house?)

 

[Tom]

"Think how much a submarine costs, then your car, then this watercooling system.

Let me ask you again, "do you honestly think you're getting a perfectly sealed water system.""


I paid $2 for a bottle of Egg Nog 2 years ago, and it hasn't leaked a drop..it does look pretty funky though.

So cost is not the determining factor, apparently.

 

[RIGorous1]

Originally posted by: Dead Parrot Sketch
"Think how much a submarine costs, then your car, then this watercooling system.

Let me ask you again, "do you honestly think you're getting a perfectly sealed water system.""


I paid $2 for a bottle of Egg Nog 2 years ago, and it hasn't leaked a drop..it does look pretty funky though.

So cost is not the determining factor, apparently.

Your analogy is flawed in the worst way... the point you are trying to compare.

what did you quote me on earlier? "Evaporation is a friggin' function of water temps"... if you kept that egg nog in the fridge then DUH. How about you heat that egg nog up to 40C to 50C and maintain that heat. I bet you that egg nog won't last a day in its container before it evaporates into nothing.

Remember again that the fluid in your radiator is specifically meant to have high freezing and boiling points. Remember again why I said most people won't use coolant.

I grow tired of these games... please read... analyze... then ask.

 

[Crapkilla]

"Koolance recommends checking the reservoir coolant level every 6 months. To help keep the coolant clean, you should replace your liquid once per year."

Seriously, if you can't handle that much you should stay away from building your own system, and probably anything that uses electricity for that matter.

This isn't a home-rigged ghetto system, nor a super-performance monster. It is a good first system for those that have wanted to try water cooling.

For those that questioned whether or not it was worth $99, if you didn't know the answer immediately, then you were better off not getting it.

 

[DrPizza]

Okay, I've read enough posts. My final conclusion: Rigorous is obsessed with sounding smart but is incapable of achieving the results he's hoping for. I don't think he knows what he's talking about, and several of his points (i.e. switching processors) have been refuted already.

First of all, car coolant = mixture of water and antifreeze. Also, a car's cooling system is under a heck of a lot more pressure than any computer cooling system could ever hope for, and much higher temperatures. But, it brings up an interesting idea: who says the water cooling system couldn't be a blend of water and antifreeze? This would probably inhibit the bacteria growth Oh, and to state that the coolant isn't necessary? I'd love to bet you money that you couldn't run your car with only water in the cooling system on a summer day. But, you'd need the money to repair your car. Even worse: replace all the coolant in your car with water and park it some place where the temperature drops below 32 for a while. You'll have to replace the engine block. The purpose of the coolant is to both raise the boiling point and lower the freezing point (molar point depression). It can be noted that pure coolant (ethylene glycol) and water BOTH have a freezing point above the freezing point of a 50/50 mixture.

2. Turbulence. LMAO. Your pump is so powerful that it creates air bubbles just from the turbulence?! WTF kind of pump are you using? A 40 horsepower pump?! Seriously, the thermal capacity of water is so high, compared to air, that it shouldn't take that much of a flow at all to dissipate the heat from the processor. Think about how many watts of power the processor is operating at... calculations to follow in next post...
edit: I have a 1 horsepower pump in my backyard recirculating water between 2 lily ponds... at 1 horsepower, I have never had a problem with bubbles being formed from the water due to turbulence.

3. The egg nog analogy is apparently flawed because the egg nog is left in the refrigerator. Ok, I'll buy that. How about the bottle of pepsi I left in my car on a hot sunny day? It didn't evaporate... It's not difficult at all to seal something waterproof, especially at the low pressure I would assume the cooling system has. And I certainly don't remember my high school science teacher teaching me about diffusion of water through a plastic tube. (and, as a science teacher, I don't teach my students that now.) Heck, now I'm thinking about getting an aquarium water-filter pump, a watercooling heat sink, some tubing and some plexiglass. A lot of custom modding later, and I can have a goldfish swimming in my cooling system. (that might be kinda cool... or maybe some of those tropical fish that really stand out under black lights or neon lights)

 

[Yo2]

Placed order around 9:30AM this morining - still no confirmation - are they generally slow or is this indication that they won't even bother to acknowledge it?

Did anyone else get a confirmation or some other sort of acknowledgement?

 

[WA261]

I cant believe you guys are still b*tching about this..take it to the cooling section, it does not belong here. Suprised mods have let it go on so long.

 

[DrPizza]

Top of the line processors: 80ish watts.
Let's go with 100 watts.

That's 100 Joules of energy every second! Holy Boloney! That's a lot of energy!

Let's see what that'll do to water. Suppose the current in your watercooling system was 1 teaspoon per second... that's barely trickling through... Hmmm... Thermal capacity of water around 4200 joules per kilogram degree celsius... 5 grams of water per teaspoon... must resist calculator... 1/200 of a kilogram, 4200 joules would raise 1/200 of a kilogram of water 200 degrees celsius... but, only 1/42 of that amount of energy, so, 200/42... Around 5 degrees celsius.

At a trickle, the water exiting the heatsink will be only 5 degrees C warmer than the water going in. At a rate of 5 teaspoons per second, the temp increase drops to 1 degree celsius. 5 teaspoons per second = about 2.5 minutes per gallon. Quick googling: watercooling pumps... around 1 gallon per minute. Faster than even my 5 teaspoons per second.

 

[Tom]

Originally posted by: Yo2
Placed order around 9:30AM this morining - still no confirmation - are they generally slow or is this indication that they won't even bother to acknowledge it?

Did anyone else get a confirmation or some other sort of acknowledgement?

You might try going to the website and uisng the order status button there.

 

[Yo2]

Originally posted by: Dead Parrot Sketch

Originally posted by: Yo2
Placed order around 9:30AM this morining - still no confirmation - are they generally slow or is this indication that they won't even bother to acknowledge it?

Did anyone else get a confirmation or some other sort of acknowledgement?

You might try going to the website and uisng the order status button there.

OK - I finally figured out how to get in there - and guess what IT SHIPPED (at least according to their website).

They broke it into two shipments : case and cooling parts, allocating about $68 for the case and $32 for the cooling parts

I'll keep you posted

 

[SahnTokie]

I have a Koolance system and so does a friend of mine. It doesn't take that much maintenance at all. The case is not moldy, nor am I losing noticeable amounts of water nor am I noticed massive fluctuations in temperatures due to air bubbles. As a matter of fact, I don't notice fluctuations at all. If you want an introductory water cooling system that is quiet and performs well for the price, then this is the ticket. Other systems may work better and may be louder, but Koolance puts a good package together that requires much less work and is very effective.