Koolance Liquid Cooled Case and Complete Water Cooling Kit

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Salvador

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I saw one of these cases set up and running at my local CompUSA. It's not exactly quiet. The water cooling may be silent, but the cooling fans on top certainly aren't. I originally wanted to try liquid cooling for noise reasons, but I don't think I'd choose it for that. At least not with this case.

Sal
 

Chevydriver

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I got in on this yesterday just before noon. First heard about it over at the fw site. My order has already been shipped and looks like it "might" be here today according to where its coming from. If not today then tommarrow for sure. I dont think i've ever ordered from td before and i've heard they are one of the worse places to order from. But I just couldn't pass on this deal, just hope that it comes with everything the description said. Since I have no experiance with td, I really hate to bash them until they screw me over.

I'm not the "overclocker" type, in fact my system can't be overclocked anyways since its a "dell". My complaints about my current system is the case sucks (its that clam shell case) and the fans (mainly my video card fans) are loud. I'm hoping the dell motherboard will fit correctly in there and I can somehow mount the ps in there to. No one I know has a watercooled setup so I think that will give me "some" bragging rights.

Scott
 

Krugger

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I swore this said:
"Koolaid Liquid Cooled Case..."
i was like, whoa!
.... it's late.
 

Yo2

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Originally posted by: Chevydriver
I got in on this yesterday just before noon. First heard about it over at the fw site. My order has already been shipped and looks like it "might" be here today according to where its coming from. If not today then tommarrow for sure. I dont think i've ever ordered from td before and i've heard they are one of the worse places to order from. But I just couldn't pass on this deal, just hope that it comes with everything the description said. Since I have no experiance with td, I really hate to bash them until they screw me over.

I'm not the "overclocker" type, in fact my system can't be overclocked anyways since its a "dell". My complaints about my current system is the case sucks (its that clam shell case) and the fans (mainly my video card fans) are loud. I'm hoping the dell motherboard will fit correctly in there and I can somehow mount the ps in there to. No one I know has a watercooled setup so I think that will give me "some" bragging rights.

Scott

You should be able to tansfer dell mobo and p/s the tricky part may be the power and reset switches and the front USB ports (proprietary?)

Let me know how you make out
 

LegendKiller

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To the bonehead who thinks that water evaporates and disappears in a closed system. What happens to water when it evaporates? It goes to steam, you doof. Steam then cools and condenses back to water.

Think of a reactor loop on a submarine, or any nuke plant. That water gets up to HUNDREDS of degrees, evaps, goes to steam, which is then passed by another loop, the heat from the "contaminated loop" turns the water from the "uncontaminated" loop to steam, which drives turbines which turns the prop on a sub.

Now, do you think that the navy just stops the sub in the middle of the ocean and pumps new water into the system? Are you a fuggin moron?

Furthermore, water, no matter how small of a molecule is, doesn't just disappear, it HAS to go somewhere. If it is a closed system, it STAYS in the closed loop, I guess you haven't heard of conservation of matter/energy. Lastly, water just doesn't leak ONE atom and then stop, if there is a leak, you know it, whether its a drip or a stream, you WILL notice it.


Before you take your 1st grade science any further, you better step into some higher physics and chemestry classes and actually learn a few things. Don't be bashing others when you can't even figure out phase changes of matter. Man, no wonder why our kids can't compete with foreign students, morons like you are abound.


LK
 

superHARD

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Originally posted by: RIGorous1
Originally posted by: superHARD
maintenance?

If you have ever had a WC setup you would know it is about ZERO maintenance. I filled my last system once every 6 months.

once every 6 months? You must be a newb or weak overclocker... if your resevoir is not appropriately filled you'll get airbubbles in your circulation which defeats the purpose of "watercooling". Not to mention if not monitored correctly you can fry your CPU, northbridge, videocard, etc. (wherever you have a block hooked up), because without a constant waterflow your cpu heats up fast. Consider:An athlon will fry in 2 seconds without a HSF, if a pocket of air builds up in your block, how long do you think it'll take to overheat? I don't know and I don't want to know.

Don't listen to this guy, 6 months is an exageration, even if he's telling the truth you have to wonder about the exact condition of his watercooling system after that 6 months, and why he needs to buy another one

I'm gonna stop trying to covince you people about the pitfalls of the technology. There are pros and cons, and watercooling is a large step from a simple HSF. There are risks involved and time used, all of which is unnecessary if you would just stay with a quality HSF.

If you don't believe me then try it for yourself, then ask yourself if I lied to you.


Yeah You guessed it!...lol

I guess you are the newb! Or did you talk without thinking again? See the post where the guy went 2 years? LOL but you are right once a month you have to do 3/4 a month's maintenance...LOL

I have 2 WC'ed systems one is over 1,000mh OC from stock and I have not touched it in 6 months! ZERO water loss!
 

dp004i

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Well fsking a... Those monkeys authorized my card, probably charged it, and now they conveniently "lost" the order. Got the confirmation email and everything, but it's not showing up on their page or in their system. This is just great...
 

Yo2

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Originally posted by: LegendKiller
To the bonehead who thinks that water evaporates and disappears in a closed system. What happens to water when it evaporates? It goes to steam, you doof. Steam then cools and condenses back to water.

Think of a reactor loop on a submarine, or any nuke plant. That water gets up to HUNDREDS of degrees, evaps, goes to steam, which is then passed by another loop, the heat from the "contaminated loop" turns the water from the "uncontaminated" loop to steam, which drives turbines which turns the prop on a sub.

Now, do you think that the navy just stops the sub in the middle of the ocean and pumps new water into the system? Are you a fuggin moron?

Furthermore, water, no matter how small of a molecule is, doesn't just disappear, it HAS to go somewhere. If it is a closed system, it STAYS in the closed loop, I guess you haven't heard of conservation of matter/energy. Lastly, water just doesn't leak ONE atom and then stop, if there is a leak, you know it, whether its a drip or a stream, you WILL notice it.


Before you take your 1st grade science any further, you better step into some higher physics and chemestry classes and actually learn a few things. Don't be bashing others when you can't even figure out phase changes of matter. Man, no wonder why our kids can't compete with foreign students, morons like you are abound.


LK


You could have made your point without the name calling - it discredits your post no matter how valid.

Now moving on to your comparison it is not quite correct. The water in a watercooled system typically does not get hot enough to evaporate - unless the pump breaks. ..

Your point is well taken though, to the extent that in a closed system, clean, destilled water that has been treated with antifreeze or another preserving agent will not mold or loose volume.

I am running a watercooled system for over two years - the water is clear blue as on the first day when I gave it a little shot of prestone antifreeze.
 

WA261

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All of my items have shipped. I have tracking #'s for both complete systems. =) nice.
 

Tom

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Originally posted by: Salvador
I saw one of these cases set up and running at my local CompUSA. It's not exactly quiet. The water cooling may be silent, but the cooling fans on top certainly aren't. I originally wanted to try liquid cooling for noise reasons, but I don't think I'd choose it for that. At least not with this case.

Sal

Thanks for the info, do you know what setting the fans were set on ? This system has 3 fan settings, two of them the fans don't run at full speed most of the time, according to what I've read about it. Reportedly the fans are quiter when they aren't at full speed.
 

Salvador

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Thanks for the info, do you know what setting the fans were set on ? This system has 3 fan settings, two of them the fans don't run at full speed most of the time, according to what I've read about it. Reportedly the fans are quiter when they aren't at full speed.
Sorry.. I didn't look at the speeds on the fans that closely. I just knew that the system made a lot more noise than mine does with quiet fans.

Sal
 

mechsiah

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Yes, this has strayed into off-topic and has a lock on the way- but when it comes to water cooling I can't resist.

1) Water cooling can be a hassle, but building your own computer can be a hassle to. Dating is a hassle. The point is, it is often more fun than it is a hassle. Everytime I upgrade my water rig I swear I am going to switch back to air, but I've been at it for three years. You learn a lot, it looks hella cool, and it is often quieter and cooler than air systems.

2) Water cooling is generally more expensive. In addition to the parts, it is a gateway drug. Pretty soon you need a fan and a light and more tubing, then a better radiator, etc. If you only have $75 for your next upgrade- save it. Water cooling falls squarely in the catagory of "Do Not Need". (Yes, you can do it cheap- this system was a good example. Just remember- you get what you pay for.)

3) RIGorous1 may have been a little harsh- and name calling never helps. We're all on the same team here, remember? The lessons he points out have some validity- H2O rigs require more maintenance and more attention than air cooled boxes. A well-thought out, cleverly built water rig, however, is pretty painless once it is built.

4) For those not putting water near their $600 rig- you have the right idea. If you are afraid of trying something new, or can't aford the possibility of losing a component- don't play with water. Accidentally squirting air all over your box does nothing.

5) There are many, many sites about water cooling now. Don't jump in half-cocked. Read up- ask around. The water cooling community is one of the most helpful I have encountered. Would you drop $100 on a video card you knew nothing about? Ask around.

This ends Mechsiah's Water Cooling Public Service Announcement

I will now get back on topic (sorry...)
 

Creig

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mechsiah - Good informative post. People, you can either take the advice of RIGorous1 who has obviously never water-cooled anything in his life or people like mechsiah, SahnTokie, lazarus000, myself and others who HAVE water-cooled and are CURRENTLY water-cooling. Yes, there are some risks involved but water-cooling has evolved WAY beyond its infancy when people were using their wives/mothers tupperware containers as reservoirs. It is a viable alternative to noisy, lower performing air cooling.

And there is NO evaporation in a closed loop system. That's the whole point. It's CLOSED. As in "not open to air" and thus cannot evaporate to anywhere else.



 

Creig

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Originally PMed to Creig by: RIGorous1
I expressed my opinion and you have yours, but when you guys start taking hits on me and publicly try to humiliate me then the gauntlet is off.

fu<k you you sack of sh!t...

(certain words edited for content)



Listen Junior, when 5 or 6 people tell you you're wrong about something, don't you think maybe you take a step back and double-check your facts?



Is there really a need/benefit for this case if I'm not OCing?



RIGorous1 answer => NO.

WRONG With Intel?s new Prescott core consuming over 100 watts WITHOUT overclocking I?d say that there could be a definite need for water cooling, especially in warmer environments.

A benefit that I already mentioned is the lower noise level. Water cooling can use much slower fans than air cooling due to the thermal carrying capacity of water. Air just can?t move that kind of heat without fans that are spinning at high RPMS which is very NOISY. And if your computer is in or near your bedroom this is something you or your significant other definitely don?t want.



One thing that watercooling people will tell you right away is the Friggin' hassle the whole damn thing is.

WRONG There is no more ?hassle? than any other part of building/upgrading your own system. If you use distilled water with an algae preventative like the manufacturer suggests then you might only need to change the fluid once a year, maybe even longer than that. And considering that computer enthusiasts generally go through components faster than an open bag of Doritos then it?s no extra trouble at all.



You should clean the water every month or so (think for a second how you are going to get the water out

WRONG Everything about this statement is just plain wrong. According to Koolance:

Q: What type of maintenance does the system require?
A: Very little. The reservoir level should be checked every 6 months, and refilled if necessary. We also recommend replacing the liquid in your system every 12 months. Additional Koolance liquid coolant can be purchased inexpensively from your local Koolance dealer.

Q: How do you avoid biological growth?
A: The liquid coolant included with each Koolance case includes a small amount of additional chemicals to address biological growth and corrosion. It is important to add only Koolance-approved coolant in filling your system. Regular tap water, bottled drinking water, or "purified" water may eventually cause organic growth or corrosion, which is bad for temperatures and can be messy to clean up.



installation is often quite difficult (as the blocks often need screws to your motherboard and often crush the core), and upgrades are even more horrendous (take out everything in the way, often times that is everything).

WRONG, WRONG, WRONG Crushed the core?!? What were you using to put the waterblock on with, a set of Vice Grips? The Koolance CPU waterblocks are actually designed to be CRUSH-PROOF. They have a knob on the top that you turn to tighten the clamp. When it reaches a preset amount of pressure the knob makes a loud 'CLICK' and releases a small amount of the tension. So you could sit there and spin the knob all day long and never crush a thing.



For example, I upgraded my cpu, so guess what I had to take the block off, but what is the block hooked up to? The back of the motherboard. Can I reach the back of the motherboard? No because the motherboard is mounted vertically with the case. But what is blocking the motherboard from removal? The video card, pci cards, hard drive, cdrom, and a few fans. Holy Carp! A simple cpu upgrade took 4 hours and the removal and replacement of nearly every component.

WRONG Again, the Koolance CPU waterblock goes on simply and quickly. In fact it's easier to install than a normal heatsink/fan combo because it's so small. It does NOT attach to the back of the motherboard, it attaches to the three lugs on each side of the socket. So to replace a CPU you simply unscrew the tension knob on the waterblock, pull off the bracket and waterblock, replace the CPU, replace the waterblock/bracket, tighted the previously mentioned tension knob and you're done. Total time, less than 5 (five!) minutes. Can't imagine what you were doing for 4 hours. You can go here to see a flash animation of a waterblock installation. Doesn't get much easier than that.



Unless you are a hardcore overclocker who loves to take his/her computer apart constantly, then buy this. Otherwise stick to a good HSF like the Zalman's.

WRONG I think I covered this statement pretty thoroughly already.



Evaporation negligible? Talk to some real overclockers who run 2.4c's @ 3.4+ Ghz or 1700+ @ 2.1+ Ghz and ask then if evaporation is negligible. Evaporation is a friggin' function of water temps you dip sh!t, so don't make stupid comments tearing me down if can't grasp that concept.

WRONG Closed loop = sealed to contact with outside air. Unless water molecules can magically pass through rubber, copper or plastic then yes, evaporation IS negligible! I would even say non-existent!



You don't have any problems with bubbles? Just because you don't have problems it doesn't mean that others won't. Let me ask how big your resevoir is and how strong is your pump? Because often with strong pumps like my eheim 1250 the pump creates bubbles due to the water turbulance. Either you have a large radiator, a cheap pump, or your not even talking about the koolance system. look look at that resevoir/pump system and tell me you don't see potential for turbulance problems.

WRONG - The Koolance pump/reservoir combination has ZERO problems with bubbles since the pumps are totally submerged within the reservoir. It pulls water into the reservoir and pushes it back out. Any errant air bubble that wasn't purged when the system was initially set up would simply get sucked into the reservoir where it would rise to the surface and stay there.



It might be better for you to shut your mouth and open your ears for a change.


Oh, one last quote before I'm done.



I expressed my opinion and you have yours, but when you guys start taking hits on me and publicly try to humiliate me then the gauntlet is off.

I don't have to try and publicly humiliate you, you've done a pretty good job of doing this to yourself already.
 

nero2

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mmmm.... flame wars Actually, you can still cool the new Prescott silently, even in hot climates. Remember that stock, most chips have huge temperature tolerances. You won't be able to overclock at all, but then that's not the issue. Since 99% of the computer-using world out there still uses air, Intel (or AMD) are not going to make chips that *need* watercooling. To actually *need* watercooling requires a certain specific set of rare circustances. The exceptions do not prove the rule. Other than that I agree with what Creig said, and mechsiah is dead on.
 

DrPizza

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Originally posted by: Salvador
I saw one of these cases set up and running at my local CompUSA. It's not exactly quiet. The water cooling may be silent, but the cooling fans on top certainly aren't. I originally wanted to try liquid cooling for noise reasons, but I don't think I'd choose it for that. At least not with this case.

Sal

It's a moot point since it's too late to get one of these deals. (still kicking myself... even if I don't overclock (and I'm going to start), it would still be great for the "coolness" factor since I don't know anyone else with watercooling)

But, couldn't you just replace the fans on the top with quieter fans for 10 or 20 bucks?
 

nero2

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Relacing the fans wouldn't be too much trouble, but like Dead Parrot Sketch pointed out, there are 3 different fan speeds, and I can personally say the the first 2 are extremely quiet.

I can wait for mine, even though I don't have an extra system to put in it right now
 

Chevydriver

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Got my order today. Everything that was mentioned in the description was included in my 2 boxxes. Heck of a deal. However I think i'll put it off for another day cause I don't really feel like tearing apart my pc right now.
 

Creig

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There are actually only two different speeds, but three different settings.

Setting 1 - Fans run at 45% of their rated RPM until the CPU temperature probe reaches 45 degrees C (113 degrees F) then kicks the fan to 100% speed.

Setting 2 - Fans run at 45% of their rated RPM until the CPU temperature probe reaches 35 degrees C (95 degrees F) then gradually increases the fan speed to 100% at 40 degrees C (104 degrees F)

Setting 3 - Fans run at 100% at all times.


And yes, you could replace the top mounted fans, but I would set it up and listen to it first as setting 1 and 2 are pretty quiet as-is. You may want to leave the stock fans in place just in case you need the extra cooling they would provide at 100%. If you put in too slow of a fan you might not be able to cool it effectively at the lower RPMs and it would always end up running at 100% all the time. Which would defeat the purpose of the temperature controlled fan speeds.
 

Creig

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nero2 - Yes, I agree with you that exceptions are not the rule. I only threw out the Prescott info as an example, not the norm. In a hot enough environment it is possible that an air-cooled Prescott could overheat even at default speeds should the ambient temperature rise high enough. There just isn't a whole lot of headroom in the Prescott chip for warmer climates.


I pulled the following quote from Hard|OCP:

the 3.2GHz Prescott ran extremely hot. Our Intel Desktop i875 board auto-assigned Vcore at 1.5 volts.

The Prescott ran so hot that Intel's own Active Monitor software warned with sirens blaring that something was wrong with our CPU temperature. If you do not have a well ventilated case and use aircooling, Prescott CPUs could be a big problem to you.

Now with that said, we ran into no throttling problems with the CPU and it ran our full testing suite without issue. Long-term stress testing was a hurdle that was overcome by the aircooled Prescott as well. So while the temperatures look extremely high, the Prescott does not seem to mind. You should certainly consider other components in your case that might be heat sensitive though, especially when a Prescott is coupled together with a new video card that can get terribly hot as well. Watercooling is getting to look much more attractive and is sure to move even more into the mainstream over the coming year. On to watercooling.

Certainly moving to watercooling helped us out a great deal. In fact, it is hard for us to recommend buying a Prescott and cooling it any other way.



 

Yo2

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Got mine today - awesome deal on the case alone. As far as watercooled kits go this looks so much simpler than my rig from 2 years ago. It also contans this massive hdd cooler, which nowerdays seems somewhat redundant - oh well may be I can use it for something else.
 
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