Koolance overhaul

[Pseudodominion]

I just finished writing an article on my current project. This is just the first chapter in it. I know my webpags are a bit messed up and I will attend to them when I have the time so don't laugh too hard.

Let me know what you think.

 

[Mingon]

Seems OK, but why replace all of the koolance stuff? seems a waste of money when adding another radiator into the loom helps just as much and you could have bought a replacement pump/resevoir. what difference are you getting in heat / overclocking?

 

[Pseudodominion]

The project isn't finished. I am still waiting on main radiator from wa261. I couldn't get Koolance to reply to me about buying a replacement res/pumps. Not only that its is a 1/4" setup so flow is minimal and any other do it your self setup will net far better results. Koolance is strictly a toy for timid beginners and is minimally better than air cooling. I couldn't just get a res and pump to hook to this as I don't see the point in reducing 1/2" fitting to a 1/4" tubing setup. The pump would be crying. Before the leak and my decision to gut and redo it I did add a second rad to the Koolance and only netted a drop of 1*C and was hardly worth it. Its not so much the rads themselves that add better performance but the rate of flow as well. Just like there being more to CPU's than Mhz

 

[Mingon]

Originally posted by: demancalledbok
The project isn't finished. I am still waiting on main radiator from wa261. I couldn't get Koolance to reply to me about buying a replacement res/pumps. Not only that its is a 1/4" setup so flow is minimal and any other do it your self setup will net far better results. Koolance is strictly a toy for timid beginners and is minimally better than air cooling. I couldn't just get a res and pump to hook to this as I don't see the point in reducing 1/2" fitting to a 1/4" tubing setup. The pump would be crying. Before the leak and my decision to gut and redo it I did add a second rad to the Koolance and only netted a drop of 1*C and was hardly worth it. Its not so much the rads themselves that add better performance but the rate of flow as well. Just like there being more to CPU's than Mhz

Sorry your talking out of your A$$, my koolance rig keeps 2 x 2500+ mobile cpus at 47c under full load when they are running 2.4ghz / 1.75v. Thats over 160watts of heat to be dissapated, and no 'toy' as you put it would manage that. The flow rate of a pump is not the only thing to watercooling. You can just order replacement koolance parts online and pay via paypal it very easy.

 

[Corporate Thug]

all the pics on the second page are broken for me

 

[Pseudodominion]

I'm talking out of my ass! Whatever! My temps on the Koolance running my 2500M @ 2.6Ghz with a 1.8VCore get to 44* at full load. A nice 3/8" setup will keep it below 40* I didn't say that the koolance doesn't work. I said it's not as good as many other larger setups. Get off your soap box and STFU.

I couldn't find where to order replacement parts and didnt get a reply from koolance in 2 emails. I have no reason to lie about that. Have you compared your koolance to another setup? My friend has a similiar system as me and his temps are way better than mine using a nice DangerDen setup. I didnt say the Koolance wasn't good, I just say its a toy compared to some of the other options available.

Just because YOU don't see the point in spending money the way I have chosen to, deosn't make it wrong. We all have our hobbies and priorities and are different. I probably wouldn't spend my money and things you may purchase and do.

Have a nice day.

 

[Pseudodominion]

Just lapped the Maze4 to a 2000 grit finish

here

 

[Pseudodominion]

Originally posted by: shady06
all the pics on the second page are broken for me

HMM odd. Its broken for me now too. Oh wait I just figured out why. Should be fixed by the time you read this.

 

[Creig]

I don't know demancalledbok. I have a 2500+ at 11x200 @1.75v and it's only running around 40 degrees full load. And that's with the original CPU-100 block Koolance first came out with. I'm also watercooling a Radeon 9500 softmodded to 9700 and o/c'ed to 360/600 and have a NB cooler in the loop. I just got in a CPU-300-H06 block from Koolance and putting that in place of the current CPU-100 and the CPU-100 will go on the Radeon. I expect that'll drop the temps down into the 30's.

You don't need uber-mega flow to cool effectively. Once you reach a certain level of flow rate, the rate at which your temps decrease (delta T) drops rapidly. 3/8" or 1/2" systems might run a couple degrees cooler, but not THAT much. Remember also that the larger the waterpump, the more heat it adds to the water.

Koolance is strictly a toy for timid beginners and is minimally better than air cooling.

Ah. So getting 40 degrees full load on an overclocked 2500+ while cooling an overclocking Radeon AND cooling the NB while using a 2 year old waterblock design is only "minimally better" than air cooling. Well, I guess I'm just a "timid beginner" then. :roll:

Oh, and the picture links are still broken on page 2.

 

[Pseudodominion]

What are your ambient temps? My room is actually a bit warm as it has 2 duallie athlon rigs and 2 nForce systems running in it. I need to move some machines to other rooms.

My phrase may have been a bit over the top and I meant it was a toy compared to other setups. I am not intending to totally put down the koolance setup and respect its ease of use and craftsmanship. The overall setup is profesionally done and works nice. It just that In every review I see of the Koolance case, the point is made that although the koolance works well it is not as good as the multitude of other DIY kits out there. In relation to air vs. Koolance, my system was originally cooled by a SLK 900U and the Koolance made a difference of 4* under loads and then I got an additional 1* drop when I added the second rad.

I guess in retrospect a 4* decline is good, but I still stand in saying that a properly thought out DIY setup achieves better results, unless eveyone else on the various OC'ing and water cooling forums is lying. However my friend who is using the similiar setup I just ordered and has a similiar system is getting much better temps, than my Koolance. In all fairness his ambient temps are better than mine to since he only has 2 PC's in the same room.

BTW I don't know how you get those temps with the old waterblock as that block really doesn't have much surface area, which is why I'm curiou about your ambient temps. My computer room gets to and sometimesover 80*F with a high level of humidty from the nice florida weather .

I shall see after I get my setup complete whether this work is worth it.

 

[Mingon]

I use 2 x 200g cpu blocks, and an additional 2 x thermaltake 80mm radiator this keeps the waterblock at 35c with reported 47c internal diode temps (although the k7d I have reads slghtly high). I just think you could have improved the performance of your original setup without spending as much cash, but then again my case probably cost twice as much again with all the added extra's

 

[Pseudodominion]

Fair enough. I just get bored with things quickly

 

[Creig]

What are your ambient temps?

Those temps were taken with a room temp of around 73 F. I believe the exact reading was reading 42 degrees on the internal diode and 38 on the socket thermistor, so I averaged the two to get 40. I don't know which temp people use as the more "correct" temp.

I still stand in saying that a properly thought out DIY setup achieves better results

I agree totally. I just get irked when people jump on the Koolance-bashing bandwagon saying it's total junk and is for beginners only. A lot of those people spouting this have never even SEEN a Koolance setup, much less ever used one. I've been overclocking for years and bought my Koolance based on its features, cooling capabilites and overall level of craftsmanship.

Everybody seems to automatically assume that because it has 1/4" lines that it can't come close to keeping up with 1/2" systems and that's where they're wrong. Bigger is not necessarily better. As I stated, once you reach a certain level of flow you reach a point of rapidly diminishing returns where additional flow only decreases temps by fractions of a degree. I'm sure that a well-designed 1/2" system with high-flow blocks can outperform a Koolance system, but I don't think the difference in temps will be as much as most people are assuming.

After my system is back up and running a few days (to let the AS set in) with my new CPU-300-H06 block I'll do some more temp testing and see if I can compare it to a comparable system using 1/2" line and see what the overall temperature differences are.

 

[Pseudodominion]

I always use the internal diode as my measure. Whether it's more accurate or not is arguable I'm sure. Its just always been my preference to use.

I wouldn't bash Koolance at all. It has its place and does a fine job. There is also something to be said about the aesthetically pleasing look and finish it has.

 

[ROJAS]

I have been running a Koolance 601 for the last 8 months. My temp is 30-32 degrees celsuis all the time. I am overclocking a P4-2.8B to 3.5Ghz with no problems. I actually haven't tried to go any further on the Abit IS7 using Corsair twinpack low latency DDR400.

Maxtor 120Gb ultra133/7200 rpm/ 8 meg cache and ATI Radeon 9800pro, Audigy,Klisph Ultra promedias 5.1.