Question KrisFix Germany video on 6800 and 6900 cards dying while running Adrenaline 22.11.2

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Puffnstuff

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Hey guys I ran across his video tonight and was wondering if anybody has encountered this issue with the latest whql adrenaline driver? I have an AIB 6900 XT and run it but haven't seen anything weird apart from the normal stuff like the card randomly drops signal to my 2nd UW monitor. He's got over 50 cards as of his video and all died running the new driver irrespective of their individual use cases which were all different.

 

Leeea

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Edit: If it were the mining software alone, I would expect issues with my NVidia rigs too, and I'm not seeing that.
Nvidia mining is done with CUDA commands
AMD mining is done with OpenCL commands

The software runs completely different code for AMD cards under the hood. The mining software + modified GPU are the prime suspects.


Did you modify the GPU BIOS for mining? I know most miners do. Spectacular perfromance gains to be had and all that. Especially with aggressive AMD mods.


Yet they are buttery smooth, cool and quiet, as gaming cards. Both are in mini-ITX systems on top of it. Seems like there is a common factor in your difficulties I don't have here, what could it be? You should just stick to team green for mining bro, the gods have spoken.

I will note that the XFX you sent me required a good cleaning and new paste and pads. You were upfront about the condition so it's all good. The performance bios on it was nerfed, and my buddy said he had to flash it. Considering how pimp my XFX 6800 is, it fosters questions in my mind concerning the effects of mining on RDNA2 far more than driver versions.
This would suggest Virtual Larry's mining GPUs perhaps have been BIOS modded.

If Virtual Larry purchased used or refurbished, they may have been modified by previous owner. I remember Virtual Larry likes to buy used/refurbished.

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BIOS modding a video card is like installing a nitrous oxide system on a car. Warranty voided and then some. Performance is amazing, but:

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Edit: If it were the mining software alone, I would expect issues with my NVidia rigs too, and I'm not seeing that.
If I remember right Nvidia cards are very difficult to BIOS mod, requiring signed BIOS images. Allows cross flashing from different models, but no complete custom jobs like we get for AMD.

Is it possible the AMD cards were modded BIOS and Nvidia cards left stock?
 
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Leeea

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I have two mining rigs with AMD RX 5700 XT and RX 5700 cards, as well, and both of those rigs are "dead" within a day of each other, within a few days of updating the drivers to newest Adrenaline a few weeks ago. They had been mining for over a year straight.
The odds of a stock BIOS on a used 5000 series card is very low.

It is the first thing most miners who want to be serious about it do.
 

Leeea

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Could it be mining with the new drivers that kills it?
I would argue modifying the card with warranty voiding performance enhancements and then running the card full tilt in the mines for 4 years is what does it.


The mining software update probably was a way to increase the load on older silicon to get more production from it. That is usually why mining software updates. Additional load + existing modifications + 4 years in the mines = failure.


The driver update was coincidental.
 
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Khanan

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I'm more and more surprised people take this thread serious. Sad

There is nothing wrong with the drivers. Stop this nonsense. Anyone who said otherwise never provided proof for it, just empty bs.
 

VirtualLarry

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That is unlucky. For some reason I thought you purchased them refurbished.

My mistake.
My 4x RX 5700 XT cards in server chassis #2 were all bought new, my 5x GTX 1660ti single-fan cards, in server #1, were indeed bought refurb, for around $230 ea. That's the only rig left running, right now.
 
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PJVol

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I sincerely doubt a VRM would simply suddenly go bad 1-2 months after a driver came out due to powerplay table changes in the driver - the extremely restrictive limits preclude that possibility
In theory, any 3rd party soft can load and create pp table copy from vbios, including nicehash plugins. But drver update procedure will delete it anyway and get back to the bios table.

As for VRM, one should bear in mind the SMU relies on PWM controller telemetry when making SVI requests, as well as vr_hot_l. So it'd better to carefully inspect the PCB of a faulty card.
 
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VirtualLarry

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Well, I decided to try to fire up the 4x RX 5700 XT rig. And guess what? It powered on, which is better than it did after it "died". Nicehash reports 4 GPUs, which means that 4 are being seen in Windows. When it gets done benchmarking, if it hasn't crashed, I'll run it for a bit.

The driver version that I updated to was 22.11.1, not 22.11.2, the driver mentioned by the video in the OP.

So hopefully I was just plain outright mistaken, and that this rig was just having a bad no-power-on day for some reason (PSU overheated? Shorted? Polyfuse tripped, needing some extended rest?), and it's going to be OK.

As for the rig with the 2x RX 6600 on one 450W Rosewill PSU included with the case, I'm going to order a replacement better PSU (thinking of the BitFenix 600W Bronze with 4 PCI-E 6+2 pin, mentioned in Hot Deals), and see if I can't revive that one.

I'm pretty sure that the PSU just plain up and overheated and died in the rig with the single RX 5700. It was prone to overheating, and I've had two of the same model PSU overheat and died in a friend's rig, sequentially even.
 

DAPUNISHER

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Well, I decided to try to fire up the 4x RX 5700 XT rig. And guess what? It powered on, which is better than it did after it "died". Nicehash reports 4 GPUs, which means that 4 are being seen in Windows. When it gets done benchmarking, if it hasn't crashed, I'll run it for a bit.

The driver version that I updated to was 22.11.1, not 22.11.2, the driver mentioned by the video in the OP.

So hopefully I was just plain outright mistaken, and that this rig was just having a bad no-power-on day for some reason (PSU overheated? Shorted? Polyfuse tripped, needing some extended rest?), and it's going to be OK.

As for the rig with the 2x RX 6600 on one 450W Rosewill PSU included with the case, I'm going to order a replacement better PSU (thinking of the BitFenix 600W Bronze with 4 PCI-E 6+2 pin, mentioned in Hot Deals), and see if I can't revive that one.

I'm pretty sure that the PSU just plain up and overheated and died in the rig with the single RX 5700. It was prone to overheating, and I've had two of the same model PSU overheat and died in a friend's rig, sequentially even.
You were definitely mistaken. Different driver version, none of the RDNA cards are bricked, RDNA2 cards status is still unknown. Perhaps wait until all of the facts are in instead of pulling out the...what was that mat called again?



Thanks stapler guy.
 

Shmee

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Good to hear that those cards are ok after all. Personally, if I were still mining, I wouldn't trust nicehash, never have really, there were some sketchy things I heard regarding them and how they worked with Phoenixminer devs. I always preferred to mine a coin directly to an address I controlled. Though I do hear nicehash is easier to setup, I guess that is a tradeoff for more security and control.

As for my experience, I don't use the 5700XT Sapphire Nitro that much anymore, but when I took it in the mATX comp on my trip to SC in December, I think it had the latest drivers installed, so that I could play COD MWII with my friend. I haven't seen any issues yet.
 
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IntelUser2000

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@amenx Furmark isn't necessarily the best torture test. I had cards I repaired where it would work fine in Furmark but fail in 3DMark, or passes both but not in actual game benchmarks. Or a combination thereof. Those ones were a big pain.

Furmark is a power delivery phase test. 3DMark and game tests are better because they better balance the load between System memory, GPU memory, GPU core, and CPU and they fluctuate unlike Furmark. Furmark passing just means you didn't screw up in your power phase soldering LOL.

I would argue modifying the card with warranty voiding performance enhancements and then running the card full tilt in the mines for 4 years is what does it.

I guess lot of mining BIOS don't care about long term reliability of the card when doing mods. But not sure if you can do fine adjustment on Navi as you can on Polaris. With Polaris I would mod one setting, flash, reboot multiple times in a day. But I actually did some reading so got tips on what NOT to do.

@VirtualLarry Ignore the other guy. I've seen guys like that. They just attack you without end. Call it a personalized troll. Probably just having a real bad day/year or crazy.
 
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Furmark is a power delivery phase test. 3DMark and game tests are better because they better balance the load between System memory, GPU memory, GPU core, and CPU and they fluctuate unlike Furmark. Furmark passing just means you didn't screw up in your power phase soldering LOL.
Very true. I was saved from a bad used 3090 purchase by UE5 Matrix demo. Both Furmark and Unigine Superposition passed. But UE5 demo stressed the card too much and showed graphical abnormalities. I knew the minute it started that something was not right, because when it zoomed in from the sky to street level, it froze multiple times.
 
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zinfamous

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I just checked and yes, I've been running 22.11.2 since ~ Dec 22nd or whenever I built this rig fresh with a 6800 XT Red Devil. No issues so far and I also haven't really tweaked anything with the GPU or CPU...I dunno, maybe I should do that so I can keep pretending to be a more normal AT member, hah.

It does run super loud; though I'm not sure if that's just the 2x 140mm warbeast fans running full tilt on my case? (I also haven't done anything about that noise because it still runs below the noise of my racing games, with transducers)
 
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It does run super loud; though I'm not sure if that's just the 2x 140mm warbeast fans running full tilt on my case? (I also haven't done anything about that noise because it still runs below the noise of my racing games, with transducers)
You can turn down the power level to 80-85% to reduce the fan noise. Running full tilt is not good for the long term life of the fans.
 

DAPUNISHER

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Neither of the guys in that clip are the stapler guy
Look above your post. And congrats, you are today's winner. The prize is, we put a big AMD sticker on the printer before we start kicking it. That is what this thread basically is; an opportunity for all of the haters to kick AMD like that printer. I don't know why they want this tempest in a teapot to be a real storm, but they do. I think it's time for them to go outside and touch grass.
 

Khanan

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So I was right? Hahahahah. Sorry I have to laugh now. This is beyond ridiculous. People should ask themselves why they are meaninglessly hating on AMD. I outlined in another thread what would happen if AMD were gone, suddenly all haters here would mutate into crybabies that don’t want to pay 2000$ for the next 5080 or 1500$ for the next 5070. That’s how prices could be without any competition.


Ignore the other guy. I've seen guys like that. They just attack you without end. Call it a personalized troll. Probably just having a real bad day/year or crazy.
Talking s*** about someone else doesn’t make you look like a good human being either. You’re certainly not better than me. Yes I had a bad day, doesn’t give you the right to call me troll, wannabe. I’m not going around being hypocritical at least, so I have that above you.
 

VirtualLarry

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You almost made it to the bonus round. That's not the stapler guy, but thanks for playing.
Maybe there is a bonus round?

I woke up the following morning, and the 4x RX 5700 XT rig was dead off, no lights from the riser cards, no fan noise, nothing.

Pushing power switch - nothing.

Holding power switch in for 5 seconds, then pressing power switch - nothing.

Unplugging cable from back of PSU, flipping PSU switch back and forth a few times, plugging it back in, and then pressing the power button in front - NOTHING!

The rig is acting dead-dead again.

I honestly don't know what's going on here.


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