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michal1980

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You guys are really angry that Krugman has been right on almost everything about the financial crisis, aren't you?

everything he posted in this article is wrong or a lie.

he wants his readers to belive that ultra high taxes are comptaible with growth, by using the 40-50's as an example. Yet instead of being honest about why that growth occured, he leaves out just about every detail as to why that huge growth occured (a rare, perfect storm oppurnity).

And why does he lie/leave out details, because he's pushing his high taxing agenda.
 

mect

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everything he posted in this article is wrong or a lie.

he wants his readers to belive that ultra high taxes are comptaible with growth, by using the 40-50's as an example. Yet instead of being honest about why that growth occured, he leaves out just about every detail as to why that huge growth occured (a rare, perfect storm oppurnity).

And why does he lie/leave out details, because he's pushing his high taxing agenda.

And why does he have a high taxing agenda?
 

mect

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2nd link doesn't work, but the 1st economist, heh, george mason? Of course they hate krugman, they're ideological libertarians and george mason university economists get very little respect in the economics field.

You are just as asinine as those discounting Krugman. So a University that has produced two Nobel Prize laureates in economics is not respected in the field of economics? Good god, do people really think like this. What are your economic credentials?
 
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You are just as asinine as those discounting Krugman. So a University that has produced two Nobel Prize laureates in economics is not respected in the field of economics? Good god, do people really think like this. What are your economic credentials?

Yes they do unfortunately and this forum is filled with them.

He has no economic credentials or any credentials
 

sandorski

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Klugman is saying that housing needs to be the driving force for economic recovery and he's advocating low interest rates to do this. Well, as Klugman proposed, the government did exactly that and lowered interest rates that did indeed drive a recovery. Unfortunately, it didn't turn out so well in the end. He was serious about creating a housing bubble through low interest rates...his statements are consistent...it's clear that he wasn't joking.

Krugman's Intellectual Waterloo
http://mises.org/daily/3530

He said that within a Context. A Context according to Greenspan's own guiding principles. It was not what Krugman was suggesting as His preferred solution.
 

Nemesis 1

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Well, they maybe would call each other "jokes", as there is a lot of bad blood between top intellectuals. They have very strong opinions, and don't always get along well with people (I have no idea if this is the case or not with these individuals, just know it happens). However, the problem is someone with a PhD in economics has the credentials to make the decision that a leader in the field is a joke. The average poster on P&N does not. Rather, everyone just looks at whether the person agrees with their position or not, all with no real understanding of the subject matter, and then goes digging for data to support their position with the conclusion already determined. We saw the same thing in reverse when the economists supporting Romney came out with a statement earlier. A bunch of leftists calling Nobel Prize laureates a bunch of hacks. Now we get to see the reverse, a bunch of republicans who think they know more about economics than someone with a position in the subject matter at Princeton.

Lets face the facts, you don't become or remain a professor at Princeton if you are not respected in your field.

Well I just an average Joe. However . I will give you a lesson in economics. Bartering works great. Gold is the best. Work for work works great. Currency backed by Gold Silver is the most convinant and its universil. All will work , Until you introduce funny math to coverup theft, or usery as it once was called. NO if you need a PHD. In economics to understand your money system and markets . That system well always fail with the People holding on to the worthless money , And Rothschils with the Gold. You guys will maybe someday understand the true value of gold if injested. Point is Paper money is for complete retards if nothing backs it. Any PHD in Economics is a fool and a liar.


In 1969 I could buy a GTO New for around 2 grand., Today If I had that same $2000 I couldn't make a downpayment On a New GTO if they made , That 2 grand is worth less.

But That 69 GTO would be worth more than I paid . But that paper money all it did was lose value . Now I could have bought Gold in 69 for $32. And today thats worth $1800.

So talk all the economics you want . You been sold a bill of goods .The paper is worthless when theives own the printing press . If you don't think the FED is owned by theives your insane . and anyone who goes up against the Fed and they perceive that person a threat your dead . Rest assured the economics thats taught,Iis Rothschild economics . If these wisards don't know this . There poppets on a string . Which they are.
Paper has no power. We the People Never empowered our representatives to put the gooberment in debt. Problem is you been lied to and cheated so long that you've become a part of the machine . Our Machine has printed all the money it can print. 10 trillion dollars ago. I am glad that I lived the Best Years This country had to give , But the rest of my life isn't so good. Not for myself but for all the needless trouble in the world . Caused by those who want to lead for selfish reasons . Its the leaders of the world who bring this upon us . They have no power without us. It is for this very simple reason judgement is upon all who live under rule of law.
 

Darwin333

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He said that within a Context. A Context according to Greenspan's own guiding principles. It was not what Krugman was suggesting as His preferred solution.

Krugman also said that 6-7% inflation rate would be a great thing for the economy...... I guess he was using someone elses guiding principles then.
 

mect

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Yes they do unfortunately and this forum is filled with them.

He has no economic credentials or any credentials

Unfortunately, you don't appear to be doing much (if any) better, considering some of your previous posts such as:

Doc Savage Fan
Krugman is a hack. Many in the econ community fell out of their chair when they heard he got the Nobel in 2008. The guy is a joke.

Incorruptible
Agree. The guy isnt someone to be taken seriously and his ideas such as raising taxes and other things are just horrible

So what are your economic credentials? Don't get me wrong, I'm fine with people stating their opinion on these subjects, but when you try to marginalize the opinion of a Nobel Laureate, you better have some background in the field.
 

mect

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Well I just an average Joe. However . I will give you a lesson in economics. Bartering works great. Gold is the best. Work for work works great. Currency backed by Gold Silver is the most convinant and its universil. All will work , Until you introduce funny math to coverup theft, or usery as it once was called. NO if you need a PHD. In economics to understand your money system and markets . That system well always fail with the People holding on to the worthless money , And Rothschils with the Gold. You guys will maybe someday understand the true value of gold if injested. Point is Paper money is for complete retards if nothing backs it. Any PHD in Economics is a fool and a liar.


In 1969 I could buy a GTO New for around 2 grand., Today If I had that same $2000 I couldn't make a downpayment On a New GTO if they made , That 2 grand is worth less.

But That 69 GTO would be worth more than I paid . But that paper money all it did was lose value . Now I could have bought Gold in 69 for $32. And today thats worth $1800.

So talk all the economics you want . You been sold a bill of goods .The paper is worthless when theives own the printing press . If you don't think the FED is owned by theives your insane . and anyone who goes up against the Fed and they perceive that person a threat your dead . Rest assured the economics thats taught,Iis Rothschild economics . If these wisards don't know this . There poppets on a string . Which they are.
Paper has no power. We the People Never empowered our representatives to put the gooberment in debt. Problem is you been lied to and cheated so long that you've become a part of the machine . Our Machine has printed all the money it can print. 10 trillion dollars ago. I am glad that I lived the Best Years This country had to give , But the rest of my life isn't so good. Not for myself but for all the needless trouble in the world . Caused by those who want to lead for selfish reasons . Its the leaders of the world who bring this upon us . They have no power without us. It is for this very simple reason judgement is upon all who live under rule of law.

Interpretation: I hate learning and already know everything there is to know (even though its pretty much all wrong). I think I'll take my medicine from someone that actually studied the subject rather than from the local witch doctor.
 

Darwin333

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What Cognitive Dissonance are you talking about? What you bolded does not contradict what I said. The unbolded part of his answer is your clue as to where you are going astray.

Well.... the answers to the bolded part are a huge YES, the Fed obviously did what Krugman stated needed to happen in order to get the consumer into the "game". Granted there is a fuckload more that went on to cause this mess but like I said, his questions were answered in the affirmative.
 

fskimospy

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everything he posted in this article is wrong or a lie.

he wants his readers to belive that ultra high taxes are comptaible with growth, by using the 40-50's as an example. Yet instead of being honest about why that growth occured, he leaves out just about every detail as to why that huge growth occured (a rare, perfect storm oppurnity).

And why does he lie/leave out details, because he's pushing his high taxing agenda.

That's absurd. Our growth in the 40's and 50's was not due to the destruction of the European economy. Furthermore, that growth continued a long time after the European economy had entirely recovered.

Once again, the guys who were wrong about everything in the crisis keep going after the guy who's been right about everything in the crisis. I guess you envy success.
 

Darwin333

Lifer
Dec 11, 2006
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Well I just an average Joe. However . I will give you a lesson in economics. Bartering works great. Gold is the best. Work for work works great. Currency backed by Gold Silver is the most convinant and its universil. All will work , Until you introduce funny math to coverup theft, or usery as it once was called. NO if you need a PHD. In economics to understand your money system and markets . That system well always fail with the People holding on to the worthless money , And Rothschils with the Gold. You guys will maybe someday understand the true value of gold if injested. Point is Paper money is for complete retards if nothing backs it. Any PHD in Economics is a fool and a liar.


In 1969 I could buy a GTO New for around 2 grand., Today If I had that same $2000 I couldn't make a downpayment On a New GTO if they made , That 2 grand is worth less.

But That 69 GTO would be worth more than I paid . But that paper money all it did was lose value . Now I could have bought Gold in 69 for $32. And today thats worth $1800.

So talk all the economics you want . You been sold a bill of goods .The paper is worthless when theives own the printing press . If you don't think the FED is owned by theives your insane . and anyone who goes up against the Fed and they perceive that person a threat your dead . Rest assured the economics thats taught,Iis Rothschild economics . If these wisards don't know this . There poppets on a string . Which they are.
Paper has no power. We the People Never empowered our representatives to put the gooberment in debt. Problem is you been lied to and cheated so long that you've become a part of the machine . Our Machine has printed all the money it can print. 10 trillion dollars ago. I am glad that I lived the Best Years This country had to give , But the rest of my life isn't so good. Not for myself but for all the needless trouble in the world . Caused by those who want to lead for selfish reasons . Its the leaders of the world who bring this upon us . They have no power without us. It is for this very simple reason judgement is upon all who live under rule of law.

If paper money is "worthless" how can you possibly compare something that is worth something to it in any reasonable way?

BTW, I wonder if all you gold nuts realize that most of the gold in the world is not produced here in the states. It would be like having oil backed currency, well except for the fact that oil is absurdly more useful than gold. Other nations and entity can and most definitely will control the supply in order to manipulate our currency. I don't like the fed one bit but its better than some shitpot 3rd world dictator or a group of them deciding to dump a fuckload of gold on the market to devalue our currency at their whim. Or the other way, a fuckload of rich bastards/entities/countries buying up all the gold they can to force us into deflation and we wouldn't be able to do a damn thing about it.
 
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That's absurd. Our growth in the 40's and 50's was not due to the destruction of the European economy. Furthermore, that growth continued a long time after the European economy had entirely recovered.

Once again, the guys who were wrong about everything in the crisis keep going after the guy who's been right about everything in the crisis. I guess you envy success.

Paul Krugman was wrong, he has been proved wrong before
 

Nemesis 1

Lifer
Dec 30, 2006
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Interpretation: I hate learning and already know everything there is to know (even though its pretty much all wrong). I think I'll take my medicine from someone that actually studied the subject rather than from the local witch doctor.

Ya The smart people in the world got us to where we are today . I don't see a problem
 

Phokus

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You are just as asinine as those discounting Krugman. So a University that has produced two Nobel Prize laureates in economics is not respected in the field of economics? Good god, do people really think like this. What are your economic credentials?

Austrian economics is a heterodox economics discipline that has a very bad track record. Again, they were predicting hyperinflation in response to the Fed's actions. That didn't happen, and Krugman (and the Keynesian theory of the 'liquidity trap') happened to be right.

If anything, an AUSTRIAN winning a nobel prize is what is the joke.

Based on most of this thread, most people, especially those of the rightwing variety, seem to not have even taken macro econ 101, because most of what krugman says is pretty much taken as true by most economists.
 

Jhhnn

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That's absurd. Our growth in the 40's and 50's was not due to the destruction of the European economy. Furthermore, that growth continued a long time after the European economy had entirely recovered.

Once again, the guys who were wrong about everything in the crisis keep going after the guy who's been right about everything in the crisis. I guess you envy success.

Krugman started being really, really right when he wrote this in 2005-

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/08/12/opinion/12krugman.html

He continued being right when he predicted a liquidity trap and the failure of Monetarism against a zero lower bound of interest rates.

http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/07/22/this-age-of-hicks/

He was right when he offered that austerity in the UK & southern Europe would be devastating.

http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/11/17/transatlantic-divergence/

He was right when he predicted a long slow recovery in the face of enormous deleveraging & a misallocated inadequate stimulus.

http://voxeu.org/article/debt-deleveraging-and-liquidity-trap-new-model

He's right when he points out that Ryan's budget numbers never added up.

And he's right that raising taxes at the top will have very little effect on the economy, because it just means that govt will take as taxes money it would otherwise have borrowed at near zero interest.

But do rave on, Righties, as if you had some vague idea what you're talking about.

Hate-um Obama! Hate-um Krugman! Hate-um!
 

fskimospy

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Krugman started being really, really right when he wrote this in 2005-

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/08/12/opinion/12krugman.html

He continued being right when he predicted a liquidity trap and the failure of Monetarism against a zero lower bound of interest rates.

http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/07/22/this-age-of-hicks/

He was right when he offered that austerity in the UK & southern Europe would be devastating.

http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/11/17/transatlantic-divergence/

He was right when he predicted a long slow recovery in the face of enormous deleveraging & a misallocated inadequate stimulus.

http://voxeu.org/article/debt-deleveraging-and-liquidity-trap-new-model

He's right when he points out that Ryan's budget numbers never added up.

And he's right that raising taxes at the top will have very little effect on the economy, because it just means that govt will take as taxes money it would otherwise have borrowed at near zero interest.

But do rave on, Righties, as if you had some vague idea what you're talking about.

Hate-um Obama! Hate-um Krugman! Hate-um!

But hey, some guys from the Austrian School of Clown College Economics said he was BAD.
 

Jhhnn

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But hey, some guys from the Austrian School of Clown College Economics said he was BAD.

Austrian economics appeals to the same juvenile headset as Ayn Rand.

And when it fails to accurately describe reality, well, they'll just say it should have.
 

mect

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Austrian economics is a heterodox economics discipline that has a very bad track record. Again, they were predicting hyperinflation in response to the Fed's actions. That didn't happen, and Krugman (and the Keynesian theory of the 'liquidity trap') happened to be right.

If anything, an AUSTRIAN winning a nobel prize is what is the joke.

Based on most of this thread, most people, especially those of the rightwing variety, seem to not have even taken macro econ 101, because most of what krugman says is pretty much taken as true by most economists.

So, if you are so knowledgeable about the subject that you can pronounce Nobel laureates in economics "a joke", why don't you publish the research you've done to arrive at this conclusion in a peer reviewed journal, and get back to me with the reviewers comments.
 
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Krugman started being really, really right when he wrote this in 2005-

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/08/12/opinion/12krugman.html

He continued being right when he predicted a liquidity trap and the failure of Monetarism against a zero lower bound of interest rates.

http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/07/22/this-age-of-hicks/

He was right when he offered that austerity in the UK & southern Europe would be devastating.

http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/11/17/transatlantic-divergence/

He was right when he predicted a long slow recovery in the face of enormous deleveraging & a misallocated inadequate stimulus.

http://voxeu.org/article/debt-deleveraging-and-liquidity-trap-new-model

He's right when he points out that Ryan's budget numbers never added up.

And he's right that raising taxes at the top will have very little effect on the economy, because it just means that govt will take as taxes money it would otherwise have borrowed at near zero interest.

But do rave on, Righties, as if you had some vague idea what you're talking about.

Hate-um Obama! Hate-um Krugman! Hate-um!

Paul krugman was wrong and the fact that you agree with him makes me realize its best not to waste my time with you
 
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