Kushner wanted to setup secret communications channel with Russia

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...a_story.html?tid=sm_tw&utm_term=.8a44761f5873

Russian ambassador told Moscow that Kushner wanted secret communications channel with Kremlin

Jared Kushner and Russia’s ambassador to Washington discussed the possibility of setting up a secret and secure communications channel between Trump’s transition team and the Kremlin, using Russian diplomatic facilities in an apparent move to shield their pre-inauguration discussions from monitoring, according to U.S. officials briefed on intelligence reports.

Ambassador Sergei Kislyak reported to his superiors in Moscow that Kushner, then President-elect Trump’s son-in-law and confidant, made the proposal during a meeting on Dec. 1 or 2 at Trump Tower, according to intercepts of Russian communications that were reviewed by U.S. officials. Kislyak said Kushner suggested using Russian diplomatic facilities in the United States for the communications.

The meeting also was attended by Michael Flynn, Trump’s first national security adviser.

The White House disclosed the fact of the meeting only in March, playing down its significance. But people familiar with the matter say the FBI now considers the encounter, as well as another meeting Kushner had with a Russian banker, to be of investigative interest.

Kislyak reportedly was taken aback by the suggestion of allowing an American to use Russian communications gear at its embassy or consulate — a proposal that would have carried security risks for Moscow as well as the Trump team.

[Jared Kushner now a focus in Russia investigation]

Neither the meeting nor the communications of Americans involved were under U.S. surveillance, officials said.

The White House declined to comment. Robert Kelner, a lawyer for Flynn, declined to comment. The Russian embassy did not respond to requests for comment.

Russia at times feeds false information into communication streams it suspects are monitored as a way of sowing misinformation and confusion among U.S. analysts. But officials said that it’s unclear what Kislyak would have had to gain by falsely characterizing his contacts with Kushner to Moscow, particularly at a time when the Kremlin still saw the prospect of dramatically improved relations with Trump.

Kushner’s apparent interest in establishing a secret channel with Moscow, rather than rely on U.S. government systems, has added to the intrigue surrounding the Trump administration’s relationship with Russia.

[CIA director alerted FBI to pattern of contacts between Russian officials and Trump campaign associates]

To some officials, it also reflects a staggering naivete.


The FBI closely monitors the communications of Russian officials in the United States, and maintains near-constant surveillance of its diplomatic facilities. The National Security Agency monitors the communications of Russian officials overseas.

Current and former U.S. intelligence officials said that though Russian diplomats have secure means of communicating with Moscow, Kushner’s apparent request for access to such channels was extraordinary.

“How would he trust that the Russians wouldn’t leak it on their side?” said one former senior intelligence official. The FBI would know that a Trump transition official was going in and out of the embassy, which would cause “a great deal” of concern, he added. The entire idea, he said, “seems extremely naïve or absolutely crazy.”

The discussion of a secret channel adds to a broader pattern of efforts by Trump’s closest advisors to obscure their contacts with Russian counterparts. Trump’s first national security adviser, Flynn, was forced to resign after a series of false statements about his conversations with Kislyak. Attorney General Jeff Sessions recused himself from matters related to the Russia investigation after it was revealed that he had failed to disclose his own meetings with Kislyak when asked during congressional testimony about any contact with Russians.

Kushner’s interactions with Russians — including Kislyak and an executive for a Russian bank under U.S. sanctions — were not acknowledged by the White House until they were exposed in media reports.

It is common for senior advisers of a newly elected president to be in contact with foreign leaders and officials. But new administrations are generally cautious in their handling of interactions with Moscow, which U.S. intelligence agencies have accused of waging an unprecedented campaign to interfere in last year’s presidential race and help elect Trump.

Obama administration officials say members of the Trump transition team never approached them about arranging a secure communications channel with their Russian contacts, possibly because of concerns about leaks.

The State Department, the White House National Security Council and U.S. intelligence agencies all have the ability to set up secure communications channels with foreign leaders, though doing so for a transition team would be unusual.

Trump’s advisers were similarly secretive about meetings with leaders from the United Arab Emirates. The Obama White House only learned that the crown prince of Abu Dhabi was flying to New York in December to see Kushner, Flynn and Steven Bannon, another top Trump adviser, because U.S. border agents in the UAE spotted the Emirate leader’s name on a flight manifest

Russia would also have had reasons of its own to reject such an overture from Kushner. Doing so would require Moscow to expose its most sophisticated communications capabilities — which are likely housed in highly secure locations at diplomatic compounds — to an American.

The Post was first alerted in mid-December to the meeting by an anonymous letter, which said, among other things, that Kushner had talked to Kislyak about setting up the communications channel. This week, officials, who reviewed the letter and spoke on condition of anonymity to discuss sensitive intelligence, said the portion about the secret channel was consistent with their understanding of events.

For instance, according to those officials and the letter, Kushner conveyed to the Russians that he was aware it would be politically sensitive to meet publicly, but it was necessary for the Trump team to be able to continue their communication with Russian government officials.

In addition to their discussion about setting up the communications channel, Kushner, Flynn and Kislyak also talked about arranging a meeting between a representative of Trump and a “Russian contact” in a third country whose name was not identified, according to the anonymous letter.

The Post reported in April that Erik Prince, the former founder of Blackwater private security firm and an informal adviser to the Trump transition team, met on Jan. 11 — nine days before Trump’s inauguration — in the Seychelles islands in the Indian Ocean with a representative of Russian President Vladimir Putin.

 

Balt

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inb4 "the story is that people are leaking information"

This looks bad. Real bad.

I had wondered whether Russians were deliberately throwing the Trump admin under the bus to further undermine the faith of Americans in our political system as a whole, but I really don't think that's what's going on. Above all else, Russia wants all of these sanctions removed. Trump still gives them the best chance of that. This information hurts Trump, yes, but it also hurts any chance the Russians had of getting those sanctions removed. It's going to be near impossible at this point.

So yeah, Trump dun goofed.
 

Grooveriding

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A salient point of reflection is why so much contact between Russian and the Trump campaign ? Why the desire during the transition to have a secret communications channel to Russia, that would have needed them to use the Russian embassies hardware ?

The US has relations with nations around the world. Russia is hardly one of their more significant partners, yet there is a mountain of focus on dealings and communications with Russia. Why no secret communications with Germany, Canada, China etc ?

This Kushner move is right out of Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy. If accurate, he's been caught trying to setup the sort of channel an asset uses to commit treason in dealing with a foreign adversary.
 

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When even the Russian ambassador thinks you've gone too far there could be a problem.
 
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The spin has begun. I just heard a nameless conservative commentator on the news say a private channel between Trump & Russia could have been needed because our Intel Agencies are too leaky thus they didn't want to use established channels.

Sounds pretty weak to me
 

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The spin has begun. I just heard a nameless conservative commentator on the news say a private channel between Trump & Russia could have been needed because our Intel Agencies are too leaky thus they didn't want to use established channels.

Sounds pretty weak to me

lol, ya, because US/Russia communications are the most important.
 

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He was just getting a head start on solving the middle east crisis by solving Crimea.
 

jman19

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The spin has begun. I just heard a nameless conservative commentator on the news say a private channel between Trump & Russia could have been needed because our Intel Agencies are too leaky thus they didn't want to use established channels.

Sounds pretty weak to me

Get the dramamine ready.
 

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When Kushner sneaked Ambassador Kislyak and Putin's banker buddy into Trump tower via a service entrance in December, he asked the Russian ambassador for access to Russian diplomatic facilities in the United States in order to have secret back channel communications to Moscow so the Trump team could continue communication with Russian government officials.

In other words, Kushner wanted to be able to jog down to the Russian embassy and send secret messages to Moscow. He wanted to do this to "continue their communication with Russian government officials." Continue their communication.

Seriously. Is there any possible, or even conceivable, legitimate explanation for this in the context of all of the other shit?
 

sandorski

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When Kushner sneaked Ambassador Kislyak and Putin's banker buddy into Trump tower via a service entrance in December, he asked the Russian ambassador for access to Russian diplomatic facilities in the United States in order to have secret back channel communications to Moscow so the Trump team could continue communication with Russian government officials.

In other words, Kushner wanted to be able to jog down to the Russian embassy and send secret messages to Moscow. He wanted to do this to "continue their communication with Russian government officials." Continue their communication.

Seriously. Is there any possible, or even conceivable, legitimate explanation for this in the context of all of the other shit?


Well, let's see:

1) Trump Admin must be in contact with the Russians
2) Trump Admin is aware that the methods they were using were potentially subject to surveilance

Probably nothing to worry about....
 
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When Kushner sneaked Ambassador Kislyak and Putin's banker buddy into Trump tower via a service entrance in December, he asked the Russian ambassador for access to Russian diplomatic facilities in the United States in order to have secret back channel communications to Moscow so the Trump team could continue communication with Russian government officials.

In other words, Kushner wanted to be able to jog down to the Russian embassy and send secret messages to Moscow. He wanted to do this to "continue their communication with Russian government officials." Continue their communication.

Seriously. Is there any possible, or even conceivable, legitimate explanation for this in the context of all of the other shit?

Yes see post #8 I just heard that
 

woolfe9998

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This isn't the first of these "back channeling" issues that has come up. In early February, Trump personal lawyer Michael Cohen met a pro-Russian Ukrainian official at a restaurant in New York, who gave him an envelopment with "peace terms" from Putin - a plan for how to resolve the Ukraine conflict, in terms quite favorable to Russia. Cohen then delivered this to Michael Flynn at the White House, then told 4 different versions of what happened in 4 different press interviews.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/02/23/politics/trump-lawyer-ukraine-peace-deal/

In early January, Erik Prince, brother of Betsy DeVos and CEO of Blackwater, met with Russian officials in the Seychelles Islands, as an emissary for Trump. The contents of the meeting are unknown.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...489b735b3a3_story.html?utm_term=.f230e26f8515
 
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This is ridiculous! I wonder which of our Russian ALTrolls will tag in next to defend this administration... My bet is on imported taj... that account got dusted off earlier today and resurrected....
 
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A salient point of reflection is why so much contact between Russian and the Trump campaign ? Why the desire during the transition to have a secret communications channel to Russia, that would have needed them to use the Russian embassies hardware ?

Keep going. Why did Trump and other Trump associates lie some 21 times, stating that no one in Trump's campaign ever had any contact with Russian officials? Why has Trump apparently tried to impede the investigation of these contacts?

I have to say, if there is nothing at all illegal in these various contacts, which I still think is possible, then these lies and cover-ups have got to be the stupidest behavior I've ever seen from any group of American politicians. If they're going to do the time, they may as well at least have done the crime.
 

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Sorry, trying to grasp what is said here:

The administration was afraid that communication could be leaking (to, TADA!!! the Russians....) so they thought about setting up a "secret communication channel" WITH RUSSIA.....so the communication cannot leak to..Russia?

Is this what I am reading here?

Edit: And if this is not about "communication leaking to Russia"....and in fact the Trump regime INTENDED to secretly communicate with Russia (as the article implies) then whom are they afraid of would be monitoring...and most importantly WHY?
 
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Balt

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Sorry, trying to grasp what is said here:

The administration was afraid that communication could be leaking (to, TADA!!! the Russians....) so they thought about setting up a "secret communication channel" WITH RUSSIA.....so the communication cannot leak to..Russia?

Is this what I am reading here?

Oh, this administration is quite comfortable telling the Russians whatever they want to know. They aren't comfortable being honest with the American public, the US government, or the media, though.
 
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Well, let's see:

1) Trump Admin must be in contact with the Russians
2) Trump Admin is aware that the methods they were using were potentially subject to surveilance

Probably nothing to worry about....

I don't know how it is in real life, but in the spy movies, a person usually goes to their own embassy to send secret messages back to their own government whilst it's usually people who are loyal to the enemy who go to the enemy's embassy to send secret messages to the enemy's capital.

I hope this back channel wasn't set up on a private server though. Gosh, that would make this scandalous.
 
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I don't know how it is in real life, but in the spy movies, a person usually goes to their own embassy to send secret messages back to their own government whilst it's usually people who are loyal to the enemy who go to the enemy's embassy to send secret messages to the enemy's capital.

I hope this back channel wasn't set up on a private server though. Gosh, that would make this scandalous.
Wasn't there a computer in trump tower tied to a Russian bank or something?
 
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I don't know how it is in real life, but in the spy movies, a person usually goes to their own embassy to send secret messages back to their own government whilst it's usually people who are loyal to the enemy who go to the enemy's embassy to send secret messages to the enemy's capital.

I hope this back channel wasn't set up on a private server though. Gosh, that would make this scandalous.

I do remember an early question about a Russian banks server pinging a Trump tower server for odd reasons. I think some AV guy discovered it.

*warning I'm not saying anything was done just saying it happened
 
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Interesting point this story raises. As written, the info came from US intel sources. Now, someone at a high enough level felt that this info needed to get out at the expense of revealing that we actually know everything that Kislyak talks to Moscow about. Think about that for a second. This info was worth more than burning a SIGINT capture between the Russian ambassador and the Kremlin. That tells me this one has legs. It also tells me there's likely a pretty substantial collection of info from this same capture. Expect more, and I bet it gets worse (for Donny).
 
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Grooveriding

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Flynn also there in the room with Kushner.

I'm wondering if they get enough to lay charges if it's going to be all on one day they arrest everyone, or a process over time. With everything out so far, it seems they already have enough to arrest Flynn for making a false statement to the FBI.

I guess there would be concern Trump is a corrupt POS and will pardon everyone. If they a reach a state of multiple arrests and everyone is arrested at once, it will make the damage to him huge if he pardons the lot of them.
 
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