Kuwaiti woman: Men should be allowed sex slaves and female prisoners could do the job

[Sonikku]

2,000 concubines?

Damn.

 

[werepossum]

2,000 concubines?

Damn.

Hey, man's gotta have a hobby . . .

On a side note, physically she reminds me very much of Anita Sarkeesian.

 

[Indus]

I always turn to P&N for my current events:

You got me there. No excuses but you win today!

2,000 concubines?

Damn.

Yeah one for every day for the next 6 years.

 

[Brian Stirling]

western society(it's overwhelmingly christian) preaches slavery still?

There are more slaves in the west today than at any time in human history. Many of them are sex slaves but a goodly number are labor slaves.

We've not made much progress on this issue...


Brian

 

[Atomic Playboy]

There are more slaves in the west today than at any time in human history. Many of them are sex slaves but a goodly number are labor slaves.

Source?

 

[Indus]

http://www.traffickingresourcecenter.org/states

 

[Atomic Playboy]

http://www.traffickingresourcecenter.org/states

Are you under the impression that there were fewer than 23,000 slaves in America in the 1850s? Brian Stirling said "There are more slaves in the west today than at any time in human history" [emphasis mine]. That's a bold claim without a source to back it up.

 

[MajinCry]

Are you under the impression that there were fewer than 23,000 slaves in America in the 1850s? Brian Stirling said "There are more slaves in the west today than at any time in human history" [emphasis mine]. That's a bold claim without a source to back it up.

'Eres another source of statistics.

http://www.un.org/events/slaveryremembrance/factsheet.shtml

And there being more slaves now than ever before does sound about right.

What with there being much better technology for communication/organization and a much larger human population.

 

[werepossum]

'Eres another source of statistics.

http://www.un.org/events/slaveryremembrance/factsheet.shtml

And there being more slaves now than ever before does sound about right.

What with there being much better technology for communication/organization and a much larger human population.

It "does sound about right" only if one is abysmally stupid. In the first place, the linked "fact sheet" is simply someone's wild-ass guess. In the second place, the vast majority of those claimed as slaves are in bonded labor; if you wish to count those, then there would have been a LOT more slaves in America (let alone the entire Western world) before the Civil War than the 3.2 million recognized in the 1850 census, as tons of poor non-black people came to America under bond to pay their passage. In the third place, the statement with which people took issue was "There are more slaves in the west today than at any time in human history." The overwhelming majority of those claimed in this "report" are in Africa, the Middle East, and the East, which is a very liberal definition of "the West" to say the least.

 

[MajinCry]

It "does sound about right" only if one is abysmally stupid. In the first place, the linked "fact sheet" is simply someone's wild-ass guess. In the second place, the vast majority of those claimed as slaves are in bonded labor; if you wish to count those, then there would have been a LOT more slaves in America (let alone the entire Western world) before the Civil War than the 3.2 million recognized in the 1850 census, as tons of poor non-black people came to America under bond to pay their passage. In the third place, the statement with which people took issue was "There are more slaves in the west today than at any time in human history." The overwhelming majority of those claimed in this "report" are in Africa, the Middle East, and the East, which is a very liberal definition of "the West" to say the least.

Someone's wild-ass guess? You didn't read the link, otherwise you'd have noticed the linked PDF. http://www.traffickingresourcecenter.org/sites/default/files/2014 NHTRC Annual Report_Final.pdf

And nay, you're wrong about those claimed in the report being from Africa, the Middle East and the East.

"The NHTRC maintains one of the most extensive data sets on the issue of human trafficking in the United States."

Note that this is one organization, noting the unique calls they had concerning slavery over four years. There were between 2,000-5,000 unique cases of human trafficking each year, that they dealt with.

Now factor in other organizations, all the people that weren't caught, all the people that are unable to contact any aid organizations, etc.

Also, to see what qualifies as slavery, read this PDF.

http://www.ohchr.org/Documents/Issues/Slavery/UNVTCFS/UNSlaveryFund.pdf

Oh, and just in case I misunderstood your post, and you were directing your post at the link I posted, I wasn't strictly substantiating Indus' point, I was just throwing that out there.

 

[Atomic Playboy]

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No one is saying that modern slavery doesn't happen or that it isn't something that we should be addressing. I'm taking issue with the specific language that one person used earlier: "There are more slaves in the west today than at any time in human history." So far nothing that's been posted corroborates the notion that there are currently more slaves IN THE WEST than at ANY POINT IN HUMAN HISTORY. Posting links about slaves in Africa, the Middle East and Asia doesn't address the portion of the claim that is specific to the West. The site specific to the US that was linked says they've handled ~23,000 cases, which is tragic in this day and age, but not even remotely comparable to the ~5 million slaves in the USA around the time of the Civil War. So it seems like it's bullshit hyperbole to make the claim that there are more slaves in the West today than at any point in human history, and I don't think bullshit hyperbole is really helpful when it comes to addressing a serious crisis like this. Why should there need to be more slaves than at any point in human history for us to care? 23,000 is shocking enough on its own, let alone the millions in Africa and the East. Turning to hyperbole weakens the argument because it allows people the opportunity to dismiss it as bullshit.

 

[MajinCry]

No one is saying that modern slavery doesn't happen or that it isn't something that we should be addressing. I'm taking issue with the specific language that one person used earlier: "There are more slaves in the west today than at any time in human history." So far nothing that's been posted corroborates the notion that there are currently more slaves IN THE WEST than at ANY POINT IN HUMAN HISTORY. Posting links about slaves in Africa, the Middle East and Asia doesn't address the portion of the claim that is specific to the West. The site specific to the US that was linked says they've handled ~23,000 cases, which is tragic in this day and age,

You must keep in mind that's one organization handling 23,000 in four years. There are many more organizations that have operated for longer; It's safe to assume that they total much more than 23,000 cases.

but not even remotely comparable to the ~5 million slaves in the USA around the time of the Civil War. So it seems like it's bullshit hyperbole to make the claim that there are more slaves in the West today than at any point in human history, and I don't think bullshit hyperbole is really helpful when it comes to addressing a serious crisis like this. Why should there need to be more slaves than at any point in human history for us to care? 23,000 is shocking enough on its own, let alone the millions in Africa and the East. Turning to hyperbole weakens the argument because it allows people the opportunity to dismiss it as bullshit.

There were around 3.5 million slaves around the time of the civil war: https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=nMMAk4VwLLwC&pg=PA77

Again, I'm not certain that you can claim it's bullshit hyperbole. Haiti alone, just counting the child slaves that operate mostly inside a house, number 225,000 at the minimum. Never mind all the other child slaves.

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/world/2009-12-22-haiti-slavery_N.htm

What we need, is a source compiling all the statistics from USA-based organizations, that combat human (sex) trafficking, slavery and the like, and then produce estimates of all victims that weren't rescued.

I'll agree that his statement was not explicitly backed by evidence explicitly, but you shouldn't go declaring that the number is far fewer; rejecting the claim is valid, responding to it with a claim without a source, however, is not valid.

Agh. It's hard to gather statistics on this issue. You'd think the World Health Organization would have, at least, compiled estimate figures.


On a somewhat different note, this was a good read. Not relevant to this discussion, but good to know. http://apps.who.int/iris/bitstream/10665/77394/1/WHO_RHR_12.42_eng.pdf