Yeah thats because these cops were criminally negligent of procedure.... thats reality... anyone who says otherwise is in blatant denial of the facts at hand.
-Max
Originally posted by: Phokus
Originally posted by: Rudee
Originally posted by: ed21x
Originally posted by: Rudee
120 rounds fired with only 4 hits??? Terrible aim.
their goal was not to harm the suspect or hit the gas tank of the car. I thought it was pretty obvious that the shots were taken to immobolize the vehicle after it lurched foreward.
Were they shooting at the tires? I don't think so. That's the only way I can see of immobolizing a vehicle with a handgun. Why not ram the vehicle or block it in with a police car if you are concerned with the vehicle getting away? Shooting at it in a residential neighborhood 120 times is idiotic.
I also read that in some precincts, you're supposed to use a shotgun to take out tires as well. It doesn't look like they're shooting at tires in that video.
I'm sure they were aiming at him. Immobilizing a vehicle with handguns is not quick or easy. Also you can see all of the bullet holes high up on the windshield.Originally posted by: ed21x
Originally posted by: Rudee
120 rounds fired with only 4 hits??? Terrible aim.
their goal was not to harm the suspect or hit the gas tank of the car. I thought it was pretty obvious that the shots were taken to immobolize the vehicle after it lurched foreward. hardly an abuse of power as the ssuspect should astopped, especially after hitting a police car earlier, which the OP and this video edit seems to try and deny in hopes of making the cops look bad.
Originally posted by: spidey07
that's because they're not shooting at the tires dummy. They are shooting at the criminal assaulting officers and citizens.
Are you by chance a criminal? Possible felon?
Originally posted by: Doboji
Originally posted by: BigJ
Originally posted by: Doboji
Originally posted by: BigJ
Originally posted by: Doboji
Cops were waaaay out of line shooting 120 rounds at a suspect. Even if that screech was his tires, once he was rolling slow like that all firing should have ceased. It didnt.... the cops are the criminals in this instance. Period.
Stop defending criminals... noone in their right mind can look at this incident and say... :thumbsup: cops... good job... you shot up the whole neighborhood, and it was warranted.
Dumbfvcks stop being the status quo fanbois....
How fast does it take to cover 15 feet in an SUV?
You're telling me that since it was rolling slow they should've stopped firing? So you can't go from a slow roll to running down several police officers?
Yes I am saying that you don't have to fire 120 rounds at an SUV in a neighborhood. If you watch the video... they're still shooting at the SUV long after the car is no longer moving. At that point get out of the path of the SUV and make the arrest. There is absolutely NO reason 120 rounds were needed here... and there's no excuse for 11 shots hitting surrounding houses and other officers. Sorry mr. fanboy... the cops were criminal here. Period.
I'm not "mr. fanboy" but to say that you should stop firing at a suspect when they are still in control of a deadly weapon is extremely stupid. You see him throw it into drive and reverse a couple of times AFTER it had come to a complete stop, so obviously he was still capable of controlling the vehicle even after the slow roll and stop. And that meant he was still capable of running over police officers. The suspect was not fully incapacitated and the officers had authority to continue firing until he was. Note: fully incapacitated does not mean dead.
And if some kid had been hit by a stray bullet you'd still be singing this asinine tune?
Originally posted by: spidey07
Are you by chance a criminal? Possible felon?
Originally posted by: deejayshakur
Originally posted by: mobobuff
Jesus... trigger-happy much? Lets just point the gun at the bystander :roll:
Scary that they all started firing like a wild ejaculation frenzy... even scarier is that only one bullet out of 120 hit what they were aiming at, from 5 meteres away.
Jesus motherloving Christ.... :disgust:
did you ever stop to think that they were shooting not to kill but to immobilize the suspect?
Originally posted by: BigJ
Originally posted by: Doboji
Originally posted by: BigJ
Originally posted by: Doboji
Originally posted by: BigJ
Originally posted by: Doboji
Cops were waaaay out of line shooting 120 rounds at a suspect. Even if that screech was his tires, once he was rolling slow like that all firing should have ceased. It didnt.... the cops are the criminals in this instance. Period.
Stop defending criminals... noone in their right mind can look at this incident and say... :thumbsup: cops... good job... you shot up the whole neighborhood, and it was warranted.
Dumbfvcks stop being the status quo fanbois....
How fast does it take to cover 15 feet in an SUV?
You're telling me that since it was rolling slow they should've stopped firing? So you can't go from a slow roll to running down several police officers?
Yes I am saying that you don't have to fire 120 rounds at an SUV in a neighborhood. If you watch the video... they're still shooting at the SUV long after the car is no longer moving. At that point get out of the path of the SUV and make the arrest. There is absolutely NO reason 120 rounds were needed here... and there's no excuse for 11 shots hitting surrounding houses and other officers. Sorry mr. fanboy... the cops were criminal here. Period.
I'm not "mr. fanboy" but to say that you should stop firing at a suspect when they are still in control of a deadly weapon is extremely stupid. You see him throw it into drive and reverse a couple of times AFTER it had come to a complete stop, so obviously he was still capable of controlling the vehicle even after the slow roll and stop. And that meant he was still capable of running over police officers. The suspect was not fully incapacitated and the officers had authority to continue firing until he was. Note: fully incapacitated does not mean dead.
And if some kid had been hit by a stray bullet you'd still be singing this asinine tune?
The officers handled the situation incorrectly, everybody knows that.
If some kid had been hit by a stray bullet, then that would've been dealt with by the police department on a separate level.
But you advising that officers approach the vehicle and more than likely at least attempted to be run down (which is why the officers started shooting in the first place, and we constantly see the suspect changing gears and moving), and simply stop shooting after the initial acceleration and stop is simply idiotic. I'm not living in or addressing on the "how they should of done things," I'm simply talking about what actually did happen.
Yes, they can shoot at the guy. I don't know enough about the case to say if they were right in that decision. What I object to is more than a hundred rounds flying, five houses and one friendly hit. That's excessive. If the cops can't hit what they're aiming at, they shouldn't try to in an environment with so many civilians. More practice and/or better judgement is required.Originally posted by: spidey07
Originally posted by: Biggerhammer
...and the people who lived in those five houses? Were they endangering the police too?Originally posted by: spidey07
He was endagering officers and citizens and refused to comply.
It doesn't get any simpler than that. Criminals need to learn that when a cop says stop or put the gun down they mean it. An SUV is a deadly weapon so don't tell me he wasn't armed.
Yes, the guy was guilty. That's no reason for the LAPD to go stormtrooper on him.
he threatened officers with a deadly weapon, an SUV.
That means the police get to unload on the guy. I really don't see why this is so hard to understand.
The police are completely justified and within the law in their actions.
Originally posted by: Biggerhammer
...and the people who lived in those five houses? Were they endangering the police too?Originally posted by: spidey07
He was endagering officers and citizens and refused to comply.
It doesn't get any simpler than that. Criminals need to learn that when a cop says stop or put the gun down they mean it. An SUV is a deadly weapon so don't tell me he wasn't armed.
Yes, the guy was guilty. That's no reason for the LAPD to go stormtrooper on him.
Originally posted by: Biggerhammer
Originally posted by: spidey07
Originally posted by: Biggerhammer
...and the people who lived in those five houses? Were they endangering the police too?Originally posted by: spidey07
He was endagering officers and citizens and refused to comply.
It doesn't get any simpler than that. Criminals need to learn that when a cop says stop or put the gun down they mean it. An SUV is a deadly weapon so don't tell me he wasn't armed.
Yes, the guy was guilty. That's no reason for the LAPD to go stormtrooper on him.
he threatened officers with a deadly weapon, an SUV.
That means the police get to unload on the guy. I really don't see why this is so hard to understand.
The police are completely justified and within the law in their actions.
And to those who are complaining that I'm bashing cops, no, the cops did their job. I sympathise with their lot. I just don't want them playing cowboys and indians in my neighborhood if they can't hit what they're aiming at.
Originally posted by: spidey07
Originally posted by: Stefan
Originally posted by: spidey07
yeah. I just don't get the idiots that don't stop for police. They deserve what they get.
damn criminals.
Police still have to follow rules and shooting at a guy 120 times is not acceptable.
He was endagering officers and citizens and refused to comply.
It doesn't get any simpler than that. Criminals need to learn that when a cop says stop or put the gun down they mean it. An SUV is a deadly weapon so don't tell me he wasn't armed.
[/quote]When deputies arrived, they tried to talk to Hayes. But he sped off, leading deputies on a chase that circled the block several times at speeds up to 35 mph.
Originally posted by: flashbacck
Originally posted by: spidey07
Originally posted by: Stefan
Originally posted by: spidey07
yeah. I just don't get the idiots that don't stop for police. They deserve what they get.
damn criminals.
Police still have to follow rules and shooting at a guy 120 times is not acceptable.
He was endagering officers and citizens and refused to comply.
It doesn't get any simpler than that. Criminals need to learn that when a cop says stop or put the gun down they mean it. An SUV is a deadly weapon so don't tell me he wasn't armed.
It was reported this morning that he was high on meth. Not an excuse, of course, but should be kept in mind.
Originally posted by: MmmSkyscraper
When deputies arrived, they tried to talk to Hayes. But he sped off, leading deputies on a chase that circled the block several times at speeds up to 35 mph.
I think you want the momentum = V X MOriginally posted by: Sqube
Yeah, that's what I was thinking too.
35 mph doesn't seem that fast me, although f=ma...
Originally posted by: Baked
Originally posted by: Phokus
ESPECIALLY if he's unarmed.
A 2 ton SUV is a helluva weapon if you ask me.