Labor is the superior of capital, and deserves much the higher recognition.

[shilala]

-Abraham Lincoln

Is there anyone anywhere in the world that still believes this?
(Aside from me, of course.)

 

[glenn1]

Sure, they're called Marxists. The Labor Theory of Value is the underpinning of marxist thought. It's complete and utter crap, but they (and seemingly labor unions) believe it.

 

[Finality]

Automation is key. Get used to it.

I employ just over 200 people and its a pain in the a$$ to deal with. Started replacing a lot of the automated stuff people do in one of my companies stuff and suprise suprise its faster cheaper and more reliable than people. Did I mention better quality as well?

 

[techs]

Originally posted by: Finality
Automation is key. Get used to it.

I employ just over 200 people and its a pain in the a$$ to deal with. Started replacing a lot of the automated stuff people do in one of my companies stuff and suprise suprise its faster cheaper and more reliable than people. Did I mention better quality as well?

Unfortunately you are now paying for Medicaid for the people you laid off. Plus increased costs for your own health insuracne. Not to mention you are losing potential customers.
I guess you would hope that one day we can automate everything. Then we can produce stuff the cheapest possible.
Except only two peope would still have income. The owner and the one person to push the machines button. Can't make money with only two potential customers.

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: techs

Originally posted by: Finality
Automation is key. Get used to it.

I employ just over 200 people and its a pain in the a$$ to deal with. Started replacing a lot of the automated stuff people do in one of my companies stuff and suprise suprise its faster cheaper and more reliable than people. Did I mention better quality as well?

Unfortunately you are now paying for Medicaid for the people you laid off. Plus increased costs for your own health insuracne. Not to mention you are losing potential customers.
I guess you would hope that one day we can automate everything. Then we can produce stuff the cheapest possible.
Except only two peope would still have income. The owner and the one person to push the machines button. Can't make money with only two potential customers.

Bunch o crap

 

[Whoozyerdaddy]

Originally posted by: techs

Originally posted by: Finality
Automation is key. Get used to it.

I employ just over 200 people and its a pain in the a$$ to deal with. Started replacing a lot of the automated stuff people do in one of my companies stuff and suprise suprise its faster cheaper and more reliable than people. Did I mention better quality as well?

Unfortunately you are now paying for Medicaid for the people you laid off. Plus increased costs for your own health insuracne. Not to mention you are losing potential customers.
I guess you would hope that one day we can automate everything. Then we can produce stuff the cheapest possible.
Except only two peope would still have income. The owner and the one person to push the machines button. Can't make money with only two potential customers.

Wow... That was wrong in so many ways I'm not even going to bother to count.

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: glenn1
Sure, they're called Marxists. The Labor Theory of Value is the underpinning of marxist thought. It's complete and utter crap, but they (and seemingly labor unions) believe it.

Doubtless machine intelligence will one day will reach the same conclusion about us, no?

The value you place on the least is the value you place on the real self. Your feelings, inwardly, are that you are totally worthless. We were made to feel horrible and out of that feeling, to try to get to the real self we lost in that feeling, we create a horrible world. We are the monster of the Id.

 

[Dissipate]

Originally posted by: techs

Originally posted by: Finality
Automation is key. Get used to it.

I employ just over 200 people and its a pain in the a$$ to deal with. Started replacing a lot of the automated stuff people do in one of my companies stuff and suprise suprise its faster cheaper and more reliable than people. Did I mention better quality as well?

Unfortunately you are now paying for Medicaid for the people you laid off. Plus increased costs for your own health insuracne. Not to mention you are losing potential customers.
I guess you would hope that one day we can automate everything. Then we can produce stuff the cheapest possible.
Except only two peope would still have income. The owner and the one person to push the machines button. Can't make money with only two potential customers.

Give this man a hand. He was able to sum up the entire doctrine of a luddite in only a relatively few sentences.

 

[Braznor]

Originally posted by: techs

Originally posted by: Finality
Automation is key. Get used to it.

I employ just over 200 people and its a pain in the a$$ to deal with. Started replacing a lot of the automated stuff people do in one of my companies stuff and suprise suprise its faster cheaper and more reliable than people. Did I mention better quality as well?

Unfortunately you are now paying for Medicaid for the people you laid off. Plus increased costs for your own health insuracne. Not to mention you are losing potential customers.
I guess you would hope that one day we can automate everything. Then we can produce stuff the cheapest possible.
Except only two peope would still have income. The owner and the one person to push the machines button. Can't make money with only two potential customers.

Even your example is flawed.

Your one man and button theory is not capitalism, but one whole monopoly with the magnitude of a dictatorial government. i.e Communism, not capitalism.

A true capitalism would never allow a monopoly to come into place.

 

[halik]

Originally posted by: glenn1
Sure, they're called Marxists. The Labor Theory of Value is the underpinning of marxist thought. It's complete and utter crap, but they (and seemingly labor unions) believe it.

word.

<- grew up in marxist system

I'm an economist.. to me labor is just another expense ticket on the ballance sheet. Replaceing manual labor with technology is simply more cost efficent and ultimately better for the businesss. You're fool to think that people will choose to buy more expensive product over cheaper ones only because there was a worker making it.

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: halik

Originally posted by: glenn1
Sure, they're called Marxists. The Labor Theory of Value is the underpinning of marxist thought. It's complete and utter crap, but they (and seemingly labor unions) believe it.

word.

<- grew up in marxist system

Look, you Capitalists are just like Marxists. If your petty egos are being flattered by the system, you're true believers, and if it's not you're revolutionaries and Believers in the One True Faith. You are people of 'Whose ox gets gored". Your life is about competition and a system in which you can feel better because in reality you feel like sh!t.

Beyond isms is the real love of self and how that lover sees his neighbor. There is a third way about which people know nothing.

We are sick and our disease creates our thinking. Our world is our disease. The suffering of Lincoln gave him some insight into that. perhaps.

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: Braznor

Originally posted by: techs

Originally posted by: Finality
Automation is key. Get used to it.

I employ just over 200 people and its a pain in the a$$ to deal with. Started replacing a lot of the automated stuff people do in one of my companies stuff and suprise suprise its faster cheaper and more reliable than people. Did I mention better quality as well?

Unfortunately you are now paying for Medicaid for the people you laid off. Plus increased costs for your own health insuracne. Not to mention you are losing potential customers.
I guess you would hope that one day we can automate everything. Then we can produce stuff the cheapest possible.
Except only two peope would still have income. The owner and the one person to push the machines button. Can't make money with only two potential customers.

Even your example is flawed.

Your one man and button theory is not capitalism, but one whole monopoly with the magnitude of a dictatorial government. i.e Communism, not capitalism.

A true capitalism would never allow a monopoly to come into place.

Capitalism is life in a famine. The animal will kill anybody to sate its hunger. Capitalism depends on hunger, but the lust of the soul to be rid of it's self hate confused by the love of things. It is a road to nowhere.

 

[halik]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: halik

Originally posted by: glenn1
Sure, they're called Marxists. The Labor Theory of Value is the underpinning of marxist thought. It's complete and utter crap, but they (and seemingly labor unions) believe it.

word.

<- grew up in marxist system

Look, you Capitalists are just like Marxists. If your petty egos are being flattered by the system, you're true believers, and if it's not you're revolutionaries and Believers in the One True Faith. You are people of 'Whose ox gets gored". Your life is about competition and a system in which you can feel better because in reality you feel like sh!t.

Beyond isms is the real love of self and how that lover sees his neighbor. There is a third way about which people know nothing.

We are sick and our disease creates our thinking. Our world is our disease. The suffering of Lincoln gave him some insight into that. perhaps.

.. wanna translate that to "coherent"?

Babelfish doesn't have presudo-intellectual drivel to english translator last i checked.

 

[Dissipate]

Originally posted by: halik

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: halik

Originally posted by: glenn1
Sure, they're called Marxists. The Labor Theory of Value is the underpinning of marxist thought. It's complete and utter crap, but they (and seemingly labor unions) believe it.

word.

<- grew up in marxist system

Look, you Capitalists are just like Marxists. If your petty egos are being flattered by the system, you're true believers, and if it's not you're revolutionaries and Believers in the One True Faith. You are people of 'Whose ox gets gored". Your life is about competition and a system in which you can feel better because in reality you feel like sh!t.

Beyond isms is the real love of self and how that lover sees his neighbor. There is a third way about which people know nothing.

We are sick and our disease creates our thinking. Our world is our disease. The suffering of Lincoln gave him some insight into that. perhaps.

.. wanna translate that to "coherent"?

Babelfish doesn't have presudo-intellectual drivel to english translator last i checked.

One thing that I like about Moonbeam is that he spouts nonesense. This is perfectly in line with Marxism. If Marxism is going to be espoused, why not in the form of drivel?

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: halik

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: halik

Originally posted by: glenn1
Sure, they're called Marxists. The Labor Theory of Value is the underpinning of marxist thought. It's complete and utter crap, but they (and seemingly labor unions) believe it.

word.

<- grew up in marxist system

Look, you Capitalists are just like Marxists. If your petty egos are being flattered by the system, you're true believers, and if it's not you're revolutionaries and Believers in the One True Faith. You are people of 'Whose ox gets gored". Your life is about competition and a system in which you can feel better because in reality you feel like sh!t.

Beyond isms is the real love of self and how that lover sees his neighbor. There is a third way about which people know nothing.

We are sick and our disease creates our thinking. Our world is our disease. The suffering of Lincoln gave him some insight into that. perhaps.

.. wanna translate that to "coherent"?

Babelfish doesn't have presudo-intellectual drivel to english translator last i checked.

It's very simple. I made you, for a blink of an eye, touch how you really feel and now you've passed to me words you hope will return that favor. That's a waste of your time, of course. You failed to realize, in ignorance, that to know you as I do, I first had to know me.

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: Dissipate

Originally posted by: halik

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: halik

Originally posted by: glenn1
Sure, they're called Marxists. The Labor Theory of Value is the underpinning of marxist thought. It's complete and utter crap, but they (and seemingly labor unions) believe it.

word.

<- grew up in marxist system

Look, you Capitalists are just like Marxists. If your petty egos are being flattered by the system, you're true believers, and if it's not you're revolutionaries and Believers in the One True Faith. You are people of 'Whose ox gets gored". Your life is about competition and a system in which you can feel better because in reality you feel like sh!t.

Beyond isms is the real love of self and how that lover sees his neighbor. There is a third way about which people know nothing.

We are sick and our disease creates our thinking. Our world is our disease. The suffering of Lincoln gave him some insight into that. perhaps.

.. wanna translate that to "coherent"?

Babelfish doesn't have presudo-intellectual drivel to english translator last i checked.

One thing that I like about Moonbeam is that he spouts nonesense. This is perfectly in line with Marxism. If Marxism is going to be espoused, why not in the form of drivel?

Are you sure, first off, that you can really read? I find it difficult to imagine that a rational mind could possibly conclude, separate from a some random sense of personal threat generated to their phony self-confidence by my words in others of my posts, preconceiving them to some pigeon hole of me, that there was even anything in the above bolded remark of mine that could induce you to any other conclusion then that my contempt for Communism as generally, heretofore, in the world is any less that for my contempt for Capitalism. A third way, to which I did say you are completely blind, does not excuse your lack of comprehension of English, in my opinion. I would think it enough to be a fool without the attendent exibition of being dumb.

The nature of truth for the ignorant is that it is psychobabble. There is no fool like the fool that comprehends.

 

[sandorski]

Automation can be good, as long as displaced Workers have other avenues of Work. If not, Automation will eat itself in the longterm.

 

[Kibbo86]

I wouldn't discard Moonie's posts so quickly. The absurdity he evokes can be used to expose the irrationalities in all of our pet theories. His words could be used to cast light on all of those implicit premises that we may not even realize are underpinning our ideas.

If you believe in your ideas with absolute certitude, then you could likely use a dose of Moonie daily.

 

[halik]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: halik

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: halik

Originally posted by: glenn1
Sure, they're called Marxists. The Labor Theory of Value is the underpinning of marxist thought. It's complete and utter crap, but they (and seemingly labor unions) believe it.

word.

<- grew up in marxist system

Look, you Capitalists are just like Marxists. If your petty egos are being flattered by the system, you're true believers, and if it's not you're revolutionaries and Believers in the One True Faith. You are people of 'Whose ox gets gored". Your life is about competition and a system in which you can feel better because in reality you feel like sh!t.

Beyond isms is the real love of self and how that lover sees his neighbor. There is a third way about which people know nothing.

We are sick and our disease creates our thinking. Our world is our disease. The suffering of Lincoln gave him some insight into that. perhaps.

.. wanna translate that to "coherent"?

Babelfish doesn't have presudo-intellectual drivel to english translator last i checked.

It's very simple. I made you, for a blink of an eye, touch how you really feel and now you've passed to me words you hope will return that favor. That's a waste of your time, of course. You failed to realize, in ignorance, that to know you as I do, I first had to know me.

not quite... you made me scratch my head in confusion, which is the identical sentiment i have after readin the latter part of this response (everything after "how you really feel" )...

You wouldn't happen to subscribe to the EMO/Hipster subculutre, do you? Becase those kids have live journals full of the kind of stuff you write...

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: sandorski
Automation can be good, as long as displaced Workers have other avenues of Work. If not, Automation will eat itself in the longterm.

Impossible. Someone has to design and build and maintain the automations. So "displaced workers" who once toiled unskilled jobs on the assembly line now work better jobs as designers and engineers and mechanics building and supporting the automated machines.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: sandorski
Automation can be good, as long as displaced Workers have other avenues of Work. If not, Automation will eat itself in the longterm.

Impossible. Someone has to design and build and maintain the automations. So "displaced workers" who once toiled unskilled jobs on the assembly line now work better jobs as designers and engineers and mechanics building and supporting the automated machines.

You're not seriously trying to suggest a 1:1 ratio on that and that the displaced workers magically turn into higher-paid, better educated engineers, are you?

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: sandorski
Automation can be good, as long as displaced Workers have other avenues of Work. If not, Automation will eat itself in the longterm.

Impossible. Someone has to design and build and maintain the automations. So "displaced workers" who once toiled unskilled jobs on the assembly line now work better jobs as designers and engineers and mechanics building and supporting the automated machines.

You're not seriously trying to suggest a 1:1 ratio on that and that the displaced workers magically turn into higher-paid, better educated engineers, are you?

I would suggest far better than 1:1. Automation is productivity. Or... instead of steel mills, are you suggesting that we would be better off going back to blacksmiths at their forges? Instead of computers, are you suggesting that we would be better off going back to huge secretary pools pounding at typewriters?

 

[conjur]

You're off your rocker, Vic, if you seriously think more jobs are created via automation. That's the whole freaking point of automation: reducing the cost of labor via reducing headcount.

More profits are created and that's what we're seeing in this "recovery". Companies are making money and the execs along with it but the workers aren't seeing sh*t.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: sandorski
Automation can be good, as long as displaced Workers have other avenues of Work. If not, Automation will eat itself in the longterm.

Impossible. Someone has to design and build and maintain the automations. So "displaced workers" who once toiled unskilled jobs on the assembly line now work better jobs as designers and engineers and mechanics building and supporting the automated machines.

Ya, some1. There are too many Workers to make into Automation Engineers. There will always be a need for Mass Employers, barring a population decrease.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: conjur
You're off your rocker, Vic, if you seriously think more jobs are created via automation. That's the whole freaking point of automation: reducing the cost of labor via reducing headcount.

More profits are created and that's what we're seeing in this "recovery". Companies are making money and the execs along with it but the workers aren't seeing sh*t.

Oh, please... profits are the reward of efficiency and productivity. It's not an evil conspiracy.

And here's an idea for you, if you're so against automation. How about we go back to the way things were before the industrial revolution. Completely unautomated. No machines at all. How many jobs now? How tenable your welfare state now?

So fsckin' clueless... but, oh, do please continue spouting your misinformed luddite rhetoric.