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DrPizza

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Admit it, my threads get more traffic than average.
Sort of like why traffic backs up on the highway, even though an accident doesn't block any of the lanes - you can't help yourself but to stare in wonderment and amazement. In this case, at <you've received enough insults in this thread.>

To answer your question, the house had nothing to do with the Holocaust. Jews weren't killed there. He had a lot of affairs there until Hitler told him to knock it off; that's about its only "notoriety." Looks like a great lake for fishing, and looks very peaceful by that lake. If it was in my price range, and was in the area I wanted to live, (neither of which is remotely true) I'd jump at the chance to purchase it. Hell, for almost 50 years after Goebbel, it was being used as a school.

I can't wait for your next installment on this, 5 years from now: "the house and lake was purchased by a vacation company. Would you go fishing in that lake, knowing that 75 years ago, the lake was owned by a Nazi? You might catch something from eating the fish." Hell, using your logic, you'd want the White House torn down and a new building erected, because you don't like Obama.
 

Texashiker

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I don't understand those that suggest tearing down a perfectly good building.

Sure you understand it. Tearing the building down is an act against the memory of the nazis.

Same reason homes of serial killers are torn down, schools are demolished after a shooting. It is not the building, but the memory associated with the building.

That somehow destroying an inanimate object will allow us to feel better about ourselves.

Chances are in 200 years very few people are going to care about what happened in that house. Much like how the memories of the tyrant kings and conquerors has fallen to the wayside.

Ask a high school kid who caligula was. Chances are the kid will say "who?"

1,500 years from now same response when someone ask who hitler or joseph goebbels was.


Hell, using your logic, you'd want the White House torn down and a new building erected, because you don't like Obama.

Na.

Waste of time and resources. I will just be glad when 2016 gets here.
 
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Moonbeam

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Thank you for the answer.

Yes, your moral compass should point to the universal truth to do no harm.

It is a simple concept, an idea that humanity is slowly moving towards, and that truth is to do no harm.

The compass is frozen because universal truths do not change.

Everything you say is right and still wrong because you can't see beyond your bigotry.

You don't know how to do no harm. The understanding of what is harm is complex and requires wisdom and understandings you don't have but imagine you do.

Unfortunately, you are not moving very fast. You are blind to the right path.

Universal truths do not change, what changes is your capacity to know what they are. You lack that capacity.

None of this is your fault. You are full of egotistical opinions which you love and can't let go of. That is why, although I can easily tell you're a bigot, because I can see where you cannot, I can't tell you much because you're too full of pride to listen. Another absolute is that those who know must tell those who do not. My job is to tell you. Your job is to hear. I can't do that part for you.

I'm not mad about this. It has to be this way so long as you can't see. But there is always a chance, living in arrogance as you do, that you will wind up fucking yourself so badly that tears of grief will bring humility. You have no idea how badly it hurt to know what I know. I was very lucky. Love you.
 

Fern

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Sure you understand it. Tearing the building down is an act against the memory of the nazis.

Same reason homes of serial killers are torn down, schools are demolished after a shooting. It is not the building, but the memory associated with the building.
-snip-

WARNING: Rhetorical question alert!

What memories are associated with this building?

Why are the concentration camps not torn down?

Why is there a holocaust museum?

I do understand that some people feel similarly to you. I do not. Just repurpose the building. I think that's a bigger insult to the Nazi memory. Imagine the Nazis knowing they built a nice museum for Jews, and for free.

Fern
 

werepossum

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Nazism arose as Germany was in a deep depression. It did not arise out of a high-minded attempt to regulate the economy, it was simply pitting rich against poor for political gain. The poor were unhappy with their circumstances and the Nazis gave them a scapegoat: The rich. That scapegoat later became the Jews, homosexuals, the institutionalized, and the Gypsies.

This is conservatism.

Liberalism is something else. You can't go from Occupy Wall Street's: "Let's regulate the banking industry to remove some of the predatory practices that the economic niche allows and have been opportunistically exploited," to, "Let's kill the blacks for the advancement of the white race."
Actually conservatism is pretty simple: Let's all play by the same rules, earn our keep, and be nice. Liberalism - classical liberalism - is much the same, but more willing to accept change (of which we conservatives are suspicious) to promote individual liberty whereas conservatives like more structure and group behavior.

The closest thing we have today to National Socialism is the progressive movement. The Nazis said "you are poor because evil Jews are conspiring to keep you poor"; the American Progressives say "you are poor because evil Jews rich people (many of whom by pure coincidence are Jewish) are conspiring to keep you poor". The Nazis promised to take things from others and give them to you; the American Progressives promise to take things from others and give them to you.
 
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fskimospy

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Actually conservatism is pretty simple: Let's all play by the same rules, earn our keep, and be nice. Liberalism - classical liberalism - is much the same, but more willing to accept change (of which we conservatives are suspicious) to promote individual liberty whereas conservatives like more structure and group behavior.

The closest thing we have today to National Socialism is the progressive movement. The Nazis said "you are poor because evil Jews are conspiring to keep you poor"; the American Progressive says "you are poor because evil Jews rich people (many of whom by pure coincidence are Jewish) are conspiring to keep you poor".

When I call you delusional or insane it's because of posts like this.
 

Bowfinger

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We did not create the train wreck in central and south america, but we are supposed to pay for it?
So your so-called "moral" compass really begins with, "How does this affect Texashiker's pocketbook?" Only if it does not affect your pocketbook in the least do you then move on to "Do no harm" (where "harm" is defined as whatever contradicts your distorted ideological views). That means you're not only a hypocrite, you're a greedy hypocrite. How noble.

And as Original Earl points out, yes, the United States played a significant role in creating the train wreck in Central America.
 

Zaap

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To liberals, as long as it is legal anything goes.
Except if you disagree with the law, then you can ignore them/pretend they don't exist. Like immigration laws.

Otherwise, as much as it's pretty clear I think far too many leftists are soulless, big-govt ass-licking tool-bags, it's an automatic lose to claim many of them would have been all in favor of the Holocaust "Because it was legal." Silly, unfounded charge.
 

Zaap

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What's the big f'ing deal anyway? "Being left to rot after 20 years..."

Newsflash: WW2 didn't end in 1994, so clearly something was being done with the house after the war before that. IE: whoopdy-friggen-do what someone does or doesn't do with it now.
 

MongGrel

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Sort of like why traffic backs up on the highway, even though an accident doesn't block any of the lanes - you can't help yourself but to stare in wonderment and amazement. In this case, at <you've received enough insults in this thread.>

To answer your question, the house had nothing to do with the Holocaust. Jews weren't killed there. He had a lot of affairs there until Hitler told him to knock it off; that's about its only "notoriety." Looks like a great lake for fishing, and looks very peaceful by that lake. If it was in my price range, and was in the area I wanted to live, (neither of which is remotely true) I'd jump at the chance to purchase it. Hell, for almost 50 years after Goebbel, it was being used as a school.

I can't wait for your next installment on this, 5 years from now: "the house and lake was purchased by a vacation company. Would you go fishing in that lake, knowing that 75 years ago, the lake was owned by a Nazi? You might catch something from eating the fish." Hell, using your logic, you'd want the White House torn down and a new building erected, because you don't like Obama.
:biggrin:

I kinda like the fishing resort idea.

The history would add a draw factor to it.
 
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Texashiker

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WARNING: Rhetorical question alert!

What memories are associated with this building?

I understand what a rhetorical question is, but I would like to answer that question anyway.

The house was built in 1939. The movie "the eternal jew" was released in 1940. Did joseph work on the movie at the house? I do not know.

This is where Joseph is supposed to wrote some of his speeches.

In the documentary "the goebbels experiment" (available on netflix), part of his diary entries reference taking a vacation to the home. If you have the time I highly recommend "the goebbels experiment." The lake house is pictured in the documentary.

When Goebbels gave a speech about jews and the final solution, were those speeches wrote at the lake house?

We may never know exactly the amount and type of hate generated at the house. But what we do know is that evil like the world has never seen before walked it halls.
 

brycejones

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Actually conservatism is pretty simple: Let's all play by the same rules, earn our keep, and be nice. Liberalism - classical liberalism - is much the same, but more willing to accept change (of which we conservatives are suspicious) to promote individual liberty whereas conservatives like more structure and group behavior.

The closest thing we have today to National Socialism is the progressive movement. The Nazis said "you are poor because evil Jews are conspiring to keep you poor"; the American Progressives say "you are poor because evil Jews rich people (many of whom by pure coincidence are Jewish) are conspiring to keep you poor". The Nazis promised to take things from others and give them to you; the American Progressives promise to take things from others and give them to you.

Good god, another one trying to out stupid the OP.
 

werepossum

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When I call you delusional or insane it's because of posts like this.
Perhaps you should take this as an opportunity to once again explain to all us poor souls how the National Socialists were not actually socialists at all.

Sorry, the National Socialist German Workers Party.
 

fskimospy

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Perhaps you should take this as an opportunity to once again explain to all us poor souls how the National Socialists were not actually socialists at all.

Sorry, the National Socialist German Workers Party.

No need. Just go educate yourself on the overwhelming opinion of experts on the matter.

Oh wait, I'm sure you will dismiss them as part of the ever expanding international progressive conspiracy.

Seriously, what you wrote was batshit crazy.
 

DominionSeraph

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The closest thing we have today to National Socialism is the progressive movement. The Nazis said "you are poor because evil Jews are conspiring to keep you poor"; the American Progressives say "you are poor because evil Jews rich people (many of whom by pure coincidence are Jewish) are conspiring to keep you poor". The Nazis promised to take things from others and give them to you; the American Progressives promise to take things from others and give them to you.

Progressivism isn't a demonization of the rich, moron, it is an acknowledgement that power differentials exist, are exploited, that the State's monopoly on violence enforces them, and that it's better to tweak the government's use of power so as not to have it dogmatically backing oppression than to let things get out of hand to where the People take matters into their own.
You are a conservative so you don't understand anything other than categorizing into ingroups and outgroups as the Nazis did. That doesn't mean that other ways don't exist. There's a reason not everyone is a conservative.
 

Orignal Earl

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Perhaps you should take this as an opportunity to once again explain to all us poor souls how the National Socialists were not actually socialists at all.

Sorry, the National Socialist German Workers Party.

The Republican Democrat party in Africa is Socialist
 

Vic

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Actually conservatism is pretty simple: Let's all play by the same rules, earn our keep, and be nice. Liberalism - classical liberalism - is much the same, but more willing to accept change (of which we conservatives are suspicious) to promote individual liberty whereas conservatives like more structure and group behavior.

The closest thing we have today to National Socialism is the progressive movement. The Nazis said "you are poor because evil Jews are conspiring to keep you poor"; the American Progressives say "you are poor because evil Jews rich people (many of whom by pure coincidence are Jewish) are conspiring to keep you poor". The Nazis promised to take things from others and give them to you; the American Progressives promise to take things from others and give them to you.
Because it was some Progressive politician who recently proposed that poor women be forcibly sterilized?

Let me clue you in on something. In the US, the neo Nazis vote tea party.
 

werepossum

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Progressivism isn't a demonization of the rich, moron, it is an acknowledgement that power differentials exist, are exploited, that the State's monopoly on violence enforces them, and that it's better to tweak the government's use of power so as not to have it dogmatically backing oppression than to let things get out of hand to where the People take matters into their own.
You are a conservative so you don't understand anything other than categorizing into ingroups and outgroups as the Nazis did. That doesn't mean that other ways don't exist. There's a reason not everyone is a conservative.
Sorry, it is the progressive movement that is categorizing into ingroups and outgroups. Just look at our recent thread history where expecting poor people to abide by the same traffic laws as everyone else is racist.

The Republican Democrat party in Africa is Socialist
Ummm . . . Okay?

Because it was some Progressive politician who recently proposed that poor women be forcibly sterilized?

Let me clue you in on something. In the US, the neo Nazis vote tea party.
Not actually poor women - poor women who receive welfare benefits and doff off even more children they can't feed. But I take your point, there is fascism (well, fascism light anyway) on both sides of the political spectrum.
 

DrPizza

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Sure you understand it. Tearing the building down is an act against the memory of the nazis.

Same reason homes of serial killers are torn down, schools are demolished after a shooting. It is not the building, but the memory associated with the building.

That somehow destroying an inanimate object will allow us to feel better about ourselves.

Chances are in 200 years very few people are going to care about what happened in that house. Much like how the memories of the tyrant kings and conquerors has fallen to the wayside.

Ask a high school kid who caligula was. Chances are the kid will say "who?"

1,500 years from now same response when someone ask who hitler or joseph goebbels was.

Out of the hundreds of school shootings over the past 2 centuries, how many of those schools were torn down as a result? (Answer: not many. 1? 2?)
 

DominionSeraph

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Sorry, it is the progressive movement that is categorizing into ingroups and outgroups.

Which you believe because you're a racist. Fix your bias.

If you understood progressivism, you would be a progressive. Your application of conservatism to it is laughable. It may be all you can do as you can't understand anything else, but it's still funny to watch.
 
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Matt1970

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Actually conservatism is pretty simple: Let's all play by the same rules, earn our keep, and be nice. Liberalism - classical liberalism - is much the same, but more willing to accept change (of which we conservatives are suspicious) to promote individual liberty whereas conservatives like more structure and group behavior.

The closest thing we have today to National Socialism is the progressive movement. The Nazis said "you are poor because evil Jews are conspiring to keep you poor"; the American Progressives say "you are poor because evil Jews rich people (many of whom by pure coincidence are Jewish) are conspiring to keep you poor". The Nazis promised to take things from others and give them to you; the American Progressives promise to take things from others and give them to you.

Give it up. When someone posts something like "The poor were unhappy with their circumstances and the Nazis gave them a scapegoat: The rich..... This is conservatism."

That's a level of dishonesty you just have to walk away from.
 
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