Lameweather Vs Conor

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slayer202

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I can't even imagine how difficult boxing is, even if it was purely an endurance thing. Punching/avoiding punches would be more than most people could handle, and then you add in actually getting hit. Not even an elite athlete like Conor could hang
 

ioni

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Mayweather threw 320 punches, Conor threw 430. Add in defense and having to constantly move around, I dunno 99% of people would look tired as hell. Have you ever boxed? I've sparred and it's exhausting. For being 40 and looking like he could have went another full fight, Floyd's in sick ass shape.
Haven't boxed, but have sparred a lot. I'm not saying I could last in the ring with them, and they are both clearly in far better shape than I am, it just didn't look like either was trying very hard to me.
 

agent00f

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I'm not really into boxing or MMA but got drug over to a friends to watch it. McGregor looked like he was giving little boops on the nose with his gloves. There was just no power to his punches. At all. I'm not sure if it's because he isn't used to striking or if his hands are normally used to setup some other attack. But he just did not look comfortable. There were several times you could tell he want to get in a slight jab and get Mayweather off balance and follow through with an elbow. Then he had to hesitate and re-position. I think there was just too much natural instinct to use his full body as a weapon and he just was never comfortable.

Floyd was still faster, punched harder, and had control of the fight the entire time. It did go longer than I thought. I was thinking 4 rounds, tops. But I think Floyd was just toying with him and giving us more of a show than anything. If tables were flipped and Mayweather was dropped in an octagon McGregor would have murdered him. But this was Floyd's home turf and he proved it.

This exactly. The whole "give credit to McGregor" and "he did much better than expect" are apparently people who didn't watch the fight or know boxing. Does he deserve a participation award?

He was hesitant, awkward and didn't really have a good fighting stance/movement the entire time. Floyd allowed him to continue on as long as he did because he was either 1. trying to get a read on him and make sure he wasn't faking it. 2. just giving the crowd something to get fired up about before punishing the poor guy when he gassed out. Giving the crowd a good show.

Floyd let him get gassed, then when it was half way over, he started to dominate and took the fight easily after that.

McGregor may have thought he was a king, but he was proven to be the jester. Good to see all these people eating Crow after claiming a he was going to beat Floyd in 1-2 rounds by KO, lol.

Mayweather is really hard to hit which is why anyone who knows anything about boxing would know you don't try to hit him with full power, but rather land enough to win rounds. Keep in mind McGregor landed more than Pacquiao, who nobody would ever accuse of being a shitty boxer. The guy had 3 months to prepare for the arguably the best defensive boxer of all time.

Interesting what Ray Londo, pretty good mma coach and straight talker, said about stamina afterwards. That guys like connor all train enough to go the distance, but it's a matter of managing it mentally. Connor has a bad habit of waning for a period before catching his second wind. Of course it probably didn't help that he cut ~15lb, a size advantage that probably didn't help his jab strategy much but decreased his tank.


Paulie Maliggnagi talked about this after the fight, among other things. (@1:42)


That must be why he was the one knocked down in their sparring session.
 

LikeLinus

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All I hear is excuses, excuses, excuses. What ifs, what should have happened, what could have happened. Guess what? There are NO excuses. He chose this fight. I don't care if he trained appropriate or not. He got his assed handed to him after saying he was going to take Mayweather down. Only fucking moronic fanboys can sit there and say "but but but...." or "I give him credit"... He wanted this fight for over a year. He got beat down because he fought a REAL Boxer. Who happens to be 40 years old and retired for several years. But damn, you have an excuse for everything.

Knocking down a sparing partner that is out of shape and was jet lagged. You seen to not realize that the fight was with Mayweather, not some guy who was paid to spare. Fucking idiots fun amuck and have all these excuses. Seriously? Fight is over. He bounced around and failed like an idiot. Mayweather promised a knock out and delivered. He toyed with the guy for 6 rounds and then put a beat down. I know you'll have excuses, so be it.

Mayweather, no matter if you like him or not for moral reason, he is pound for pound on of the greatest boxers ever. Period.
 

slayer202

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you know every boxed promises a knockout every fight. that's certainly not something you can knock conor for
 
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Ns1

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All I hear is excuses, excuses, excuses. What ifs, what should have happened, what could have happened. Guess what? There are NO excuses. He chose this fight. I don't care if he trained appropriate or not. He got his assed handed to him after saying he was going to take Mayweather down. Only fucking moronic fanboys can sit there and say "but but but...." or "I give him credit"... He wanted this fight for over a year. He got beat down because he fought a REAL Boxer. Who happens to be 40 years old and retired for several years. But damn, you have an excuse for everything.

Knocking down a sparing partner that is out of shape and was jet lagged. You seen to not realize that the fight was with Mayweather, not some guy who was paid to spare. Fucking idiots fun amuck and have all these excuses. Seriously? Fight is over. He bounced around and failed like an idiot. Mayweather promised a knock out and delivered. He toyed with the guy for 6 rounds and then put a beat down. I know you'll have excuses, so be it.

Mayweather, no matter if you like him or not for moral reason, he is pound for pound on of the greatest boxers ever. Period.

if Conor was so shitty then Mayweather should've knocked his ass out round 1.

 
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smackababy

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No, they're not going to be able to calculate that until all the class action lawsuits are wrapped up and Showtime has to give refunds to all the people that got hosed when the live streams failed.

No official numbers, but rumors are 6.5 million buys. Now, I don't know if refunds will be redacted, but I suspect it's less than 2 million so it broke the record. Also, they were claiming post fight to have broken the gate record. We'll see. According to some sources the place was empty 3rd from the last fight and didn't fill until close to time for it to start.

Also, Floyd himself delayed it once word got to him about the PPV issues people were having. He was not going to fight until they were resolved.

And, god damn mama media is dick riding Conor for this shit. Holy fuck. I've heard "I don't care what the judges say, he won the first 3 rounds." Yeah, okay MMA reporter. You know better than professional boxing judges...

Please just let Conor return to the UFC, get stomped by Nate and retire a rich man already. I'm sick and tired of his fans.
 

lamedude

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Here's the numbers from the Wrestling Observer.
As far as the big questions, the money numbers, there is nothing official at press time. The announced attendance was 14,623, so ticket sales were slower than had been reported. No gate was announced. Leonard Ellerbe, Mayweather’s manager, claimed it would break the $72 million mark set by Mayweather vs. Pacquiao. Mayweather himself claimed it was $80 million, although no gate was announced and the Nevada Athletic Commission didn’t have any official numbers at press time.

It wasn’t an issue with interest as much as pricing. The lowest price to get in for the tickets that were remaining was $2,718, and even on a secondary market where ticket brokers did not do well, you still couldn’t get in for less than $1,716.

Dana White claimed 6.5 million PPV buys, which would have to be a worldwide number to even have a shot at being accurate. Mayweather vs. Pacquiao did about 4.6 million in the North American market and its worldwide total was closer to 5.5 million.

Early indications were this fight handily beat Mayweather vs. Pacquiao in the U.K. and Ireland, as was expected, as well as in Canada, which is no surprise since MMA is much stronger than boxing in Canada. The indication we had gotten from the cable industry and others with access to numbers were that it did not beat Mayweather vs. Pacquiao’s 4.6 million North American figure.

Mayweather was guaranteed $100 million while McGregor was guaranteed $30 million. If PPV numbers are even close to what White claimed, Mayweather will end up with about $300 million, McGregor with more than $100 million and UFC with more than $50 million.

Unlike most events, where the cable company or satellite company gets 50 percent of the revenue, this fight saw 70 percent go to the promoters and fighters and 30 percent to the cable or satellite companies. The hope was also that there would be more streaming buys, in which case there was no split with the cable companies and a much higher revenue percentage to the promoters and fighters.

It was said to have easily set the record for the most-streamed iPPV in history, although that was a disaster, since both UFC and Showtime had issues due to the number of orders, particularly coming in at the same time. Showtime, which was already sued in Oregon over its stream not working, said that servers went down in California and Florida, and the start of the show was delayed by 20 minutes.

The biggest problems were with UFC.tv. NeuLion, who was handling the streaming for UFC, had said they had scaled up to triple redundancy and added support assistance. But it still crashed. Before fight time, they sent messages to those who ordered but couldn’t get it to work to try and order it through Showtime.

Both UFC and Showtime announced they would refund the money to anyone who ordered but wasn’t able to watch it.

“We always try to put on the biggest and most exciting fights,” said White in a statement to the media. “We want our fans to have the best experience when watching our events. Unfortunately, we didn’t deliver the way we wanted to on Saturday because of NeuLion’s technical issues on UFC.tv. As usual, we always take care of our fans and will fix this. We have started processing refunds immediately for anyone that could not access the fight after purchase.”

Essentially UFC threw NeuLion under the bus and it wouldn’t be surprising that if another event of this magnitude comes up that UFC will stream, that they will get a different partner.

Comcast had issues with people who ordered the show but couldn’t get the show. The problem was they were so understaffed that to get through the prompts to reach a customer service rep was a nightmare, and once you got past the prompts, it was a 90 minute wait to reach a rep. Some gave up and ordered it another way. Others waited and did get through and were able to watch all or most of the fight, but missed the prelims.

We did a story on that aspect, and the key was that a lot of people had issues, but virtually all of them found another to watch it, either Comcast customers ordering it streaming or going to a friends house, those ordering it streaming and having problems then ordering it through cable or satellite providers, or some finding local clubs. A few said they pirated it, but that percentage was low, but virtually nobody who wanted to see it didn’t figure out a way to see it.

Sports bars in many cities were sold out well in advance. In some cities, it was literally impossible to find a place to watch it at an establishment. The Golden One Center in Sacramento sold out in advance for a viewing party at $40, although they didn’t open up the entire arena.

Fathom Events broadcasted the fight in 532 movie theaters which grossed $2,620,183, which would have made it the No. 3 grossing event that day at the theater, and the two movies that beat it were in 3,377 and 3,565 screens respectively and had multiple airings.

It also set a record for most pirated PPV event in history, as there were at least 2.93 million homes or individual devices watching on pirated streams worldwide.

From a gambling standpoint, the amount of money taken in on the fight was the biggest of any sports event in history, beating the Super Bowl. More people bet on this fight, and, because Mayweather won, it was the biggest single winning event for a lot of gambling sites in their history.

While more than 90 percent of the bets were on McGregor, the biggest money bets, including two of more than $1 million, were on Mayweather.

The prelims on FOX for the Floyd Mayweather vs. Conor McGregor boxing match did about double the usual level of viewers for boxing on the network.

The two hours leading to the pay-per-view broadcast, airing 7-9 p.m. Eastern time and 4-6 p.m. Pacific time, averaged 2,438,000 viewers. FOX broadcasts of boxing, usually with much bigger name fighters, have averaged 1,427,000 viewers so far this year. It was FOX's most watched boxing show in 20 months, dating back to the Danny "Swift" Garcia vs. Robert "Ghost" Guerrero headlined show, which did 2.5 million viewers.

There were another 130,000 viewers watching the show between Fox Deportes and the Fox Sports Go streaming platform.

FOX also aired the pre-fight show, building Mayweather vs. McGregor, which did 1,463,000 viewers, far more than pre-fight shows for any UFC events have done, although they are usually on FS 1.

FS 1 coverage of the post-fight show and weigh-ins did strong numbers, but nothing that would indicate far more interest than one of the bigger UFC shows.

The post-fight show on FS 1 did 368,000 viewers, which was up from 320,000 viewers that the second McGregor vs. Nate Diaz did.

The weigh-in show on Friday did 287,000 viewers, the third most-watched weigh-in for a combat sports event ever on FS 1.

But as compared with a major UFC event, there were far more platforms to watch the weigh-ins and post-fight coverage, including ESPN, which ran the weigh-ins and extensive post-fight coverage.

HBO competed with Mayweather vs. McGregor on pay-per-view with a show that was headlined by Miguel Cotto winning a 12-round unanimous decision over Yoshihiro Kamegai of Japan. The fight from start-to-finish averaged 730,000 viewers and peaked at 805,000. The main event ended about 20 minutes before Mayweather vs. McGregor started, but the show went against the pay-per-view itself.
tl;dr did not break NA record, ~3 million pirated streams, and a 90m wait to reach a Comcast rep.
 

agent00f

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All I hear is excuses, excuses, excuses. What ifs, what should have happened, what could have happened. Guess what? There are NO excuses. He chose this fight. I don't care if he trained appropriate or not. He got his assed handed to him after saying he was going to take Mayweather down. Only fucking moronic fanboys can sit there and say "but but but...." or "I give him credit"... He wanted this fight for over a year. He got beat down because he fought a REAL Boxer. Who happens to be 40 years old and retired for several years. But damn, you have an excuse for everything.

Knocking down a sparing partner that is out of shape and was jet lagged. You seen to not realize that the fight was with Mayweather, not some guy who was paid to spare. Fucking idiots fun amuck and have all these excuses. Seriously? Fight is over. He bounced around and failed like an idiot. Mayweather promised a knock out and delivered. He toyed with the guy for 6 rounds and then put a beat down. I know you'll have excuses, so be it.

Mayweather, no matter if you like him or not for moral reason, he is pound for pound on of the greatest boxers ever. Period.

I really feel bad for all the complete bums Floyd was fighting prior to this.

If there's anything worse than mma fans it's boxing fans.
 

SKORPI0

Lifer
Jan 18, 2000
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Went to a friend who watches "boxing", not sure how much they paid for it. Did not bother to ask, but I gave $20 to ease the pain.
I'll admit that the delay was annoying. Tried one of those "pirated streams" and surprisingly it was just as clear as what we were getting via Xfinity PPV, but a slight delay to what we were watching.

I'll be at my friends place this coming Sept.16 for the Canelo Alvarez vs. GGG fight.
 

slayer202

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"Just coming back around after a whirlwind couple of days.
Thank you to all the fans for the support of the fight and the event! Without your support we as fighters are nothing so I thank you all!
Thank you to my team of coaches and training partners!
I had an amazing team and It truly was an amazing and enjoyable camp, and honestly I feel with just a little change in certain areas of the prep, we could have built the engine for 12 full rounds under stress, and got the better result on the night.
Getting to 12 rounds alone in practice was always the challenge in this camp. We started slowly getting to the 12 and decreasing the stress in the rounds the closer it got to 12. I think for the time we had, 10 weeks in camp, it had to be done this way. If I began with a loaded 12 rounds under much stress I would have only hit a brick wall and lost progress as a result and potentially not made the fight. A little more time and we could have made the 12 cleanly, while under more stress, and made it thru the later rounds in the actual fight. I feel every decision we made at each given time was the correct decision, and I am proud of everyone of my team for what we done in the short time that we done it.
30 minutes was the longest I have fought in a ring or cage or anywhere. Surpassing my previous time of 25 minutes. I am happy for the experience and happy to all take these great lessons with me and implement them into my camp going forward.
Another day another lesson!
Congrats to Floyd on a well fought match. Very experienced and methodical in his work. I wish him well in retirement. He is a heck of a boxer. His experience, his patience and his endurance won him this fight hands down. I always told him he was not a fighter but a boxer. But sharing the ring with him he is certainly a solid fighter. Strong in the clinch. Great understanding of frames and head position. He has some very strong tools he could bring into an MMA game for sure.
Here is a toast of whiskey to everyone involved in this event and everyone who enjoyed it!
Thank you to you all! Onto the next one!"
 

lamedude

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how do they calculate pirated streams?
Found an article on it.
rdeto identified 239 streams that illegally distributed the super-welterweight fight, which are estimated to have reached approximately 2,930,598 viewers. Of the 239 streams, 67 were provided via traditional pirate streaming websites
The company found that pirates also exploited social media channels such as Facebook, YouTube, Periscope and Twitch to distribute the event, uncovering 165 social media streams offering the fight illegally.
 
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Miramonti

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"Just coming back around after a whirlwind couple of days.
Thank you to all the fans for the support of the fight and the event! Without your support we as fighters are nothing so I thank you all!
Thank you to my team of coaches and training partners!
I had an amazing team and It truly was an amazing and enjoyable camp, and honestly I feel with just a little change in certain areas of the prep, we could have built the engine for 12 full rounds under stress, and got the better result on the night.
Getting to 12 rounds alone in practice was always the challenge in this camp. We started slowly getting to the 12 and decreasing the stress in the rounds the closer it got to 12. I think for the time we had, 10 weeks in camp, it had to be done this way. If I began with a loaded 12 rounds under much stress I would have only hit a brick wall and lost progress as a result and potentially not made the fight. A little more time and we could have made the 12 cleanly, while under more stress, and made it thru the later rounds in the actual fight. I feel every decision we made at each given time was the correct decision, and I am proud of everyone of my team for what we done in the short time that we done it.
30 minutes was the longest I have fought in a ring or cage or anywhere. Surpassing my previous time of 25 minutes. I am happy for the experience and happy to all take these great lessons with me and implement them into my camp going forward.
Another day another lesson!
Congrats to Floyd on a well fought match. Very experienced and methodical in his work. I wish him well in retirement. He is a heck of a boxer. His experience, his patience and his endurance won him this fight hands down. I always told him he was not a fighter but a boxer. But sharing the ring with him he is certainly a solid fighter. Strong in the clinch. Great understanding of frames and head position. He has some very strong tools he could bring into an MMA game for sure.
Here is a toast of whiskey to everyone involved in this event and everyone who enjoyed it!
Thank you to you all! Onto the next one!"
He's full of cr@p. He gets hit, he slows. That's exactly what happened when he talked about his dip in the Diaz fight, and exactly what happened in the Mayweather fight. Not to say he had endurance for 12 rounds, but it's not a coincidence that he went anemic as soon as the storm rolled in.
 

slayer202

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umm yeah, he basically admits he was never able to work his way up to a full strenuous 12 rounds
 

agent00f

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He's full of cr@p. He gets hit, he slows. That's exactly what happened when he talked about his dip in the Diaz fight, and exactly what happened in the Mayweather fight. Not to say he had endurance for 12 rounds, but it's not a coincidence that he went anemic as soon as the storm rolled in.

So what does that about your boy Mayweather's record when so many of them did even worse than a complete bum?
 

Miramonti

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So what does that about your boy Mayweather's record when so many of them did even worse than a complete bum?
It says he wanted to win convincingly and give the fans a show at the same time. However, it also shows he lacked confidence that he could achieve both of those things early on without taking more hits (probably because he didn't train hard), so he waited until McGregor showed obvious signs of fatigue to pounce.

Mission accomplished, but imo he absolutely could have finished McGregor off earlier, even if it included a bit more damage to himself.
 
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smackababy

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So what does that about your boy Mayweather's record when so many of them did even worse than a complete bum?
It says Mayweather had absolutely zero respect for anything Conor could throw at him. He didn't need to fight defensively or even set up his punches to dominate that fight, and that is exactly what happened. Mr "one punch KO" McGregor landed in the first round, while fresh, a counter uppercut Floyd didn't see coming AND it did nothing. That was the end of the fight right there. Conor didn't have enough technique to land actual hard punches clean and Floyd could do whatever he wanted. If you actually think simply "punches landed" is the metric to how good you did, you know absolutely nothing about any combat sport.
 

agent00f

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It says he wanted to win convincingly and give the fans a show at the same time. However, it also shows he lacked confidence that he could achieve both of those things early on without taking more hits (probably because he didn't train hard), so he waited until McGregor showed obvious signs of fatigue to pounce.

Mission accomplished, but he absolutely could have finished McGregor off earlier, even if it included a bit more damage to himself. Those who think he couldn't have are 'imaginative fools' (aka delusional dreamers) imo.

It says Mayweather had absolutely zero respect for anything Conor could throw at him. He didn't need to fight defensively or even set up his punches to dominate that fight, and that is exactly what happened. Mr "one punch KO" McGregor landed in the first round, while fresh, a counter uppercut Floyd didn't see coming AND it did nothing. That was the end of the fight right there. Conor didn't have enough technique to land actual hard punches clean and Floyd could do whatever he wanted. If you actually think simply "punches landed" is the metric to how good you did, you know absolutely nothing about any combat sport.


Mayweather unlike his fans is a smart boxer on the primary basis of willing/knowing to sacrifice rounds where his opponents expend energy without doing commensurate damage. Defensive fighters are opportunistic by nature. This fight was no different from any of his previous; McGreggor gassed hard which provided the opportunity later on. Mayweather got hit because McGregor uses unorthodox angles, which many who've actually fought against him have mentioned. The way things were going, it was rather plausible that the fight ended like so many in Mayweather's career by pulling out later rounds.

It must really stick in these fans' craw that this supposed bum did no worse than the 49 before him.
 
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