Land Rover Vs Motorbikes in NYC

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Not surprisingly, you have no clue.



I dunno, elitist assholes who think the road belongs to them - even though they're on an untagged, unregistered vehicle.

Around here the bicyclists brag about knocking the mirrors off of cars that they think are too close (evidently you're supposed to drive in oncoming traffic, as 2 feet is not enough room?)


It's the exact same behaviour as these motorcyclists.
 

jpeyton

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Luckily if this happens to me in my state, the moment a biker punches through my window I'm justified putting lead through his dome.

The driver of the Range Rover won't get charged with anything. In fact, the police should be charging some bikers for breaking traffic laws and assault.
 

lozina

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Luckily if this happens to me in my state, the moment a biker punches through my window I'm justified putting lead through his dome.

The driver of the Range Rover won't get charged with anything. In fact, the police should be charging some bikers for breaking traffic laws and assault.

Yep, sucks to be in NY. One article mentioned they are trying to identify the bikers involved but that some bikes had their plates removed! Premeditated mischief.
 

K1052

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I dunno, elitist assholes who think the road belongs to them - even though they're on an untagged, unregistered vehicle.

Around here the bicyclists brag about knocking the mirrors off of cars that they think are too close (evidently you're supposed to drive in oncoming traffic, as 2 feet is not enough room?)


It's the exact same behaviour as these motorcyclists.

The lack of appropriate bike infrastructure has lead to a culture of aggressive cycling in the US since for many years those types of people were the only ones to brave the roads. It seems this behavior is passed on as appropriate to some newer cyclists (but definitely not all)

Our drivers are also pretty aggressive against anything that isn't a motor vehicle. I was crossing a xwalk the other day on a walk signal and a guy trying to turn right on red through my body stopped to give me the finger and tell me to go fuck myself.
 
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Luckily if this happens to me in my state, the moment a biker punches through my window I'm justified putting lead through his dome.

The driver of the Range Rover won't get charged with anything. In fact, the police should be charging some bikers for breaking traffic laws and assault.

I don't know why these idiots are filming themselves breaking the law. There was one guy who was bragging about breaking laws and looping around Manhattan in under 24 minutes along with a video of the whole thing. Police arrested him thanks to the evidence he gave against himself. http://gothamist.com/2013/09/06/police_arrested_driver_who_did_24-m.php
 
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Totally disagree. It's not fortitude it's common sense and the thing about common sense is it comes natural to you, you don't have to stop and think about it. You either have it or you don't.

Well just how easy is it to do that? It's obvious not everyone knows where the nearest police station is, especially if you're driving outside of your neighborhood. Secondly, what if the nearest police station was in local streets with traffic lights? The possibility of him getting stuck in traffic would still be there.
 

tHa ShIzNiT

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Luckily if this happens to me in my state, the moment a biker punches through my window I'm justified putting lead through his dome.

The driver of the Range Rover won't get charged with anything. In fact, the police should be charging some bikers for breaking traffic laws and assault.

But are you always carrying a gun in your car? I'm pretty sure in my state I can't have a gun in my car unless there's a damn good reason for it. I'm not sure the "I'm headed to the gun range" reason would work. Not sure how Texas works...I suppose you probably can carry a gun in your car there at all times. Which is why this type of thing would be much less likely to happen there...
 
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The lack of appropriate bike infrastructure has lead to a culture of aggressive cycling in the US since for many years those types of people were the only ones to brave the roads. It seems this behavior is passed on as appropriate to some newer cyclists (but definitely not all)

Our drivers are also pretty aggressive against anything that isn't a motor vehicle. I was crossing a xwalk the other day on a walk signal and a guy trying to turn right on red through my body stopped to give me the finger and tell me to go fuck myself.


Want appropriate infrastructure? Stop vagina blocking every bill that involves tagging and taxing bicyclists.

Drivers are aggressive - period. If you hold up the road, expect to get honked at. Doesn't matter if you're walking, riding, or driving. A tax paying driver getting their ultra frappe latte-whatever from starbucks far surpasses a bicyclist's exercise and showoff routine.

And spare me the "wahh I pay taxes on my car and I'm helping the environment and I'm helping traffic" spiel.

Bicyclists destroy traffic. Shit I live in a a high income area, we have bike lanes almost everywhere, and still these tards ride in the road because they're too elitist to share the bicycle lane with each other. Or is it that the gravel is too large? The excuse changes weekly.
 

Capt Caveman

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Want appropriate infrastructure? Stop vagina blocking every bill that involves tagging and taxing bicyclists.

Drivers are aggressive - period. If you hold up the road, expect to get honked at. Doesn't matter if you're walking, riding, or driving. A tax paying driver getting their ultra frappe latte-whatever from starbucks far surpasses a bicyclist's exercise and showoff routine.

And spare me the "wahh I pay taxes on my car and I'm helping the environment and I'm helping traffic" spiel.

Bicyclists destroy traffic. Shit I live in a a high income area, we have bike lanes almost everywhere, and still these tards ride in the road because they're too elitist to share the bicycle lane with each other. Or is it that the gravel is too large? The excuse changes weekly.

:biggrin:
 

K1052

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Want appropriate infrastructure? Stop vagina blocking every bill that involves tagging and taxing bicyclists.

Drivers are aggressive - period. If you hold up the road, expect to get honked at. Doesn't matter if you're walking, riding, or driving. A tax paying driver getting their ultra frappe latte-whatever from starbucks far surpasses a bicyclist's exercise and showoff routine.

And spare me the "wahh I pay taxes on my car and I'm helping the environment and I'm helping traffic" spiel.

Bicyclists destroy traffic. Shit I live in a a high income area, we have bike lanes almost everywhere, and still these tards ride in the road because they're too elitist to share the bicycle lane with each other. Or is it that the gravel is too large? The excuse changes weekly.

For the record I'm a driver, not a cyclist.

Most bike lanes in the US aren't really that useful unless they are barrier protected (very few are). The protected ones we have here work infinitely better than shared lanes or just some paint laid down on the side of the road which cars use regardless. US bike infrastructure is basically a bad joke if you ever look at what the Europeans have.
 

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For the record I'm a driver, not a cyclist.

Most bike lanes in the US aren't really that useful unless they are barrier protected (very few are). The protected ones we have here work infinitely better than shared lanes or just some paint laid down on the side of the road which cars use regardless. US bike infrastructure is basically a bad joke if you ever look at what the Europeans have.

That's fine...build better bike lanes...but let the bikers pay the cost, not the general public or motor vehicle drivers.
 
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For the record I'm a driver, not a cyclist.

Most bike lanes in the US aren't really that useful unless they are barrier protected (very few are). The protected ones we have here work infinitely better than shared lanes or just some paint laid down on the side of the road which cars use regardless. US bike infrastructure is basically a bad joke if you ever look at what the Europeans have.


My comments are directed more at bicyclists in general than you specifically.


Protected bike lanes?? You mean like a wall between the lane and the road? Jesus when does it end? Just turn roads into bike paths and get it over with.


Again.... I don't care if it's merely a matter of painting a stripe down the road, the bikes need to be tagged and taxed if they truly want to "share" the roadway...

Personally, my biggest issue is that they need to have tags, so people can call 911 when they're being jackasses and wreaking havoc on the roads.

I could not care less about what works in europe.
 
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That's fine...build better bike lanes...but let the bikers pay the cost, not the general public or motor vehicle drivers.

Bikers are already footing the bill. They are taxpayers too. In NYC, road construction is just paid for out of the general fund.

But anytime they try to get a bike lane installed, people bitch about the loss of parking, their abilities to speed down the road, and a whole host of other specious arguments.
 
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Damn, some of you guys are really going off-topic and turning this into a cyclist vs car thread. I mean it is, but not THAT kind of cyclist vs car thread.
 
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Bikers are already footing the bill. They are taxpayers too. In NYC, road construction is just paid for out of the general fund.

But anytime they try to get a bike lane installed, people bitch about the loss of parking, their abilities to speed down the road, and a whole host of other specious arguments.



And where do you think money for the 'general fund' comes from?

Bottom line is if you want better infrastructure, if you want to be treated equally, then all bikes need to have license plates and yearly taxes just like a motorcycle.



In my area drivers are absolutely fed up with this entitlement mentality that bicyclists have. Every time someone pushes ANY bill to tag/tax bicyclists they're at the capital in leotards picketing. It's so bizarre to me, that they want equal treatment in every way..... except helping pay for what they want.

Their common excuse is that drivers should pay for bike lanes to get the bicyclists off the road. Ridiculous.
 
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Damn, some of you guys are really going off-topic and turning this into a cyclist vs car thread. I mean it is, but not THAT kind of cyclist vs car thread.



Meh it's relevant.


In this situation the progressives are calling for the motorcyclist's heads..... Yet bicyclists acting the exact same way get a blind eye.
 

BoomerD

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Bikers are already footing the bill. They are taxpayers too. In NYC, road construction is just paid for out of the general fund.

But anytime they try to get a bike lane installed, people bitch about the loss of parking, their abilities to speed down the road, and a whole host of other specious arguments.

You're right...to a point. Those of us who own motor vehicles pay extra fees and taxes that ultimately (since the funds end up in the various general funds) help pay for roads. Let bicyclists pay similar extra fees and taxes.
Do motor vehicles do more damage to roadways than bicycles? Hell yes, and the larger they are, the more damage they can do...but if bicyclists want "special lanes," let them pay for it...or just ride on the same roadway that everyone else does.
 

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You've never actually been to NY have you? He was driving along the west side highway. Continuing on that highway would eventually lead to the Saw Mill parkway where an angry mob of bikers could probably easily murder you and dump your body in the woods. The only other option that he reasonably had was to pull off on one of the exits (which all lead to busy city streets) and hope that the bikers back off realizing that it's a high publicity area. Given his circumstances this was probably his only option and a very reasonable one considering that Exit 14 is one of the last exits in NYC. The only thing he could've done better is maybe look to stop in front of a police station but good luck having the fortitude to think about that when you have a dozen angry assholes chasing you down and a wife and kid to worry about.

Or maybe take 95 toward the cross-Bronx and then the Roosevelt south. Just keep doing a big loop. But you can't blame the guy for not coolly evaluating all his options.
 

HumblePie

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Had a lone biker doing that a few weeks ago on the street. He was doing this to everyone. Breaking checking, kicking on cars and spitting on them as he drove by for no reason. I damn near ran the son of a bitch over myself. Almost dead before he decided to exit the highway.

It's one thing to ride a bike for fun, and to do stunts like pop wheelies that only endanger yourself as long as no one else is around to be hurt if you screw up. It's completely different when you use your vehicle as a weapon to try and hurt others like these dick head bikers did.
 

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Should have just run them over. You can use your car as a weapon in self defense, just keep saying "he was attempting to forcibly enter my occupied vehicle".

As far as shooting the dirtbags? The moment they touched my window it would have been good shoot.
 

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And where do you think money for the 'general fund' comes from?

Bottom line is if you want better infrastructure, if you want to be treated equally, then all bikes need to have license plates and yearly taxes just like a motorcycle.



In my area drivers are absolutely fed up with this entitlement mentality that bicyclists have. Every time someone pushes ANY bill to tag/tax bicyclists they're at the capital in leotards picketing. It's so bizarre to me, that they want equal treatment in every way..... except helping pay for what they want.

Their common excuse is that drivers should pay for bike lanes to get the bicyclists off the road. Ridiculous.

In the UK, many car drivers think that they pay taxes for roads, and therefore they have the right to do whatever while cyclists don't pay those taxes, and therefore don't have the rights.
The actual fact is that their taxes are on their car. You can buy a Ferrari and drive 5 miles a year and pay more tax than someone who buys a super efficient hybrid and drives 100,000 miles a year, and the tax money goes to a general fund.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-23694438

Maybe you could argue it's semantics, but when the tax is not impacted remotely by how much you drive and is not required to be used for roads, is it a road tax?
A cyclist in the UK pays tax when he buys his bike which goes into the same pool of tax money.

Given that bikes are less damaging to the road, it requires less upkeep from their use, so they should pay less tax.
They also take up less space and if it was 100% bikes, there would be fewer traffic issues.
Maybe bikes should pay tax, but the amount of tax they would pay with respect to what they lead to in terms of road expenses would be negligible and the tax would be pittance.
 

HumblePie

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Should have just run them over. You can use your car as a weapon in self defense, just keep saying "he was attempting to forcibly enter my occupied vehicle".

As far as shooting the dirtbags? The moment they touched my window it would have been good shoot.

If that had been me in the SUV and I was without a gun I would have just kept running over as many as I could so long as they were following/threatening me and my family until the cops showed up. Even if it means backing up and going forward over and over. Even if they slashed all my tired, I'd drive on busted rims. No fucking way I'd let them get close enough to my car to even attempt that.
 
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