Land Rover Vs Motorbikes in NYC

[uclaLabrat]

My problem isn't with what he did after the bikers started attacking the car.

The issue is that lien's inattentive driving was the impetus for the entire interaction. It doesn't justify what the bikers did, but it is what sparked the altercation.

Just shut up, seriously...you're dead wrong.

 

[W.C. Nimoy]

Having been in this situation before & not reacting like the driver did, I can see S.A.'s point, though it's irrelevant in the grand scheme of things. If we're breaking down mistakes, it's less than 1% driver vs. 99% plus gang.

I've been there, they surrounded me, slowed me down. I just let them, would have come to a full stop if required, whatever it took to keep my distance instead of honking, tailgating (not saying he was exactly, they more cut him off, but he could have stopped & let them move on), trying to push through out of principle that I know they're not SUPPOSED to be doing that stuff. It happened to me, & I let them do what they wanted to do, slow me down half speed, they did their tricks, then moved on before they even fully stopped me. Scary, wrong of them, but you have a choice- he made his & got destroyed.

 

[TechBoyJK]

My problem isn't with what he did after the bikers started attacking the car.

The issue is that lien's inattentive driving was the impetus for the entire interaction. It doesn't justify what the bikers did, but it is what sparked the altercation.

No. The bikers started it by being out there in a massive gang and obstructing the road. It starts there.

 

[W.C. Nimoy]

Yeah regardless of whether one thinks the driver also made a mistake, no question, the bikers definitely started it.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Don't bring a bike to a car fight?

 

[SpatiallyAware]

Having been in this situation before & not reacting like the driver did, I can see S.A.'s point, though it's irrelevant in the grand scheme of things. If we're breaking down mistakes, it's less than 1% driver vs. 99% plus gang.

I've been there, they surrounded me, slowed me down. I just let them, would have come to a full stop if required, whatever it took to keep my distance instead of honking, tailgating (not saying he was exactly, they more cut him off, but he could have stopped & let them move on), trying to push through out of principle that I know they're not SUPPOSED to be doing that stuff. It happened to me, & I let them do what they wanted to do, slow me down half speed, they did their tricks, then moved on before they even fully stopped me. Scary, wrong of them, but you have a choice- he made his & got destroyed.

Exactly right. Had lien had even a small amount of situational awareness he would've given these bikers room, instead of trying to be the tough guy in a range rover trying to get payback for whatever bullying he dealt with as a child.

I agree, lien's 'moral' responsibility is very small, but it's there. It was a preventable situation. lien's poor driving is what started the chain reaction that very well could've resulted in his or his family's death.


Some people just need to wake up while driving. Pay attention to what they're doing. It could help prevent stuff like this from happening.

 

[SpatiallyAware]

No. The bikers started it by being out there in a massive gang and obstructing the road. It starts there.

Bikers obstructing a road does not make it ok to just blindly mow them over.


Again, what about bicyclists? They obstruct traffic. Do you get frustrated and run them over? What about a little old lady crossing the street? Extreme examples, sure, but someone doing something wrong, illegal, or stupid does not justify simply rear ending them.


Like I said, lien is either a mouth breathing TERRIBLE driver with no situation awareness or he intentionally rear ended that first biker.

 

[ch33zw1z]

he didn't blindly mow them over. They started attacking the vehicle, he got scared and hit the gas. Oh well, too bad for the bikers. Bad drivers are on the road everyday. Maybe the bikers should look out for them.

 

[SpatiallyAware]

he didn't blindly mow them over. They started attacking the vehicle, he got scared and hit the gas. Oh well, too bad for the bikers. Bad drivers are on the road everyday. Maybe the bikers should look out for them.

AFTER he either negligently or intentionally rear ended a biker, in a situation where it was obvious he should've slowed down and given room.

 

[Schfifty Five]

AFTER he either negligently or intentionally rear ended a biker, in a situation where it was obvious he should've slowed down and given room.

Stop making shit up please. Thanks.

 

[Svnla]

Wow, we still have people that are so clueless that they are still trying to blame the victim(s) in this case? Even after all of the videosthat posted and so many reports from the NYPD/media?

A mind is a terrible thing to waste indeed.

 

[ch33zw1z]

AFTER he either negligently or intentionally rear ended a biker, in a situation where it was obvious he should've slowed down and given room.

Hey, shit like that happens everyday. If the biker had insurance, he should've swapped information. But we both know that's not what they were after that day. Which is apparent by the bikers actions after the fender bender.

I've been rear ended a few times in the last couple years, never once did I (or we) get out of the car and start banging on the other car.

It's all good, though. If I rear ended someone, and they got out to attack me...I'd do the same thing.

Negligence is all around you, SA. It doesn't give you the right to troll around with your biker gang and fuck people up.

 

[openwheel]

Don't bring a bike to a car fight?

:biggrin: This is the truth.

People are actually trying to blame the SUV driver? Where is the common sense around here?

 

[Schfifty Five]

:biggrin: This is the truth.

People are actually trying to blame the SUV driver? Where is the common sense around here?

Just SA and Dari. Either they are the same person under 2 accounts, or they were part of the biker gang. Those are the only two explanations.

 

[DrunkenSano]

It'd be nice if they were banned.

 

[tHa ShIzNiT]

You gotta admit, there's some really well done trolling going on in this thread. Its tempting even despite its blatent-ness. I will continue to believe that noone is stupid enough to think what these people are saying, I will consider it pure and simple trolling.

 

[qtnguyen87]

Exactly right. Had lien had even a small amount of situational awareness he would've given these bikers room, instead of trying to be the tough guy in a range rover trying to get payback for whatever bullying he dealt with as a child.

I agree, lien's 'moral' responsibility is very small, but it's there. It was a preventable situation. lien's poor driving is what started the chain reaction that very well could've resulted in his or his family's death.


Some people just need to wake up while driving. Pay attention to what they're doing. It could help prevent stuff like this from happening.

Poor driving? what about those poorly driven bikes?

 

[qtnguyen87]

My problem isn't with what he did after the bikers started attacking the car.

The issue is that lien's inattentive driving was the impetus for the entire interaction. It doesn't justify what the bikers did, but it is what sparked the altercation.

I am having a very hard time understanding you SA....I mean very hard.

 

[Dari]

Just SA and Dari. Either they are the same person under 2 accounts, or they were part of the biker gang. Those are the only two explanations.

It'd be nice if they were banned.

There were others and they were shouted down. Only SA and I have resisted the drones. Even Perknose, while blaming everything on the bikers, pointed out the downsides of Lien's behavior, which echoed my earlier statements. I've said it before and I'll say it again, the going rate for a hitman in SE Queens is $5-$10K. And these guys are bike fiends.

Lien will not be going to prison but his name is out there. In the media. In court documents. So is his address and where he works. Anyone that wants to get in touch with him and his family can do so easily. His life is in the glaring light of the public. It will remain there for years and it will cost him in blood and treasure. His new journey will be extremely exhaustive and filled with pitfalls. Life will never be normal again. Now, if anyone here was in a similar situation would you do the same thing as Lien? I wouldn't.

 

[Dari]

I am having a very hard time understanding you SA....I mean very hard.

Are you too stuck in your ways to understand what he's saying? It's extremely simple: Be aware, alert and think before you act.

 

[Schfifty Five]

There were others and they were shouted down. Only SA and I have resisted the drones. Even Perknose, while blaming everything on the bikers, pointed out the downsides of Lien's behavior, which echoed my earlier statements. I've said it before and I'll say it again, the going rate for a hitman in SE Queens is $5-$10K. And these guys are bike fiends.

Lien will not be going to prison but his name is out there. In the media. In court documents. So is his address and where he works. Anyone that wants to get in touch with him and his family can do so easily. His life is in the glaring light of the public. It will remain there for years and it will cost him in blood and treasure. His new journey will be extremely exhaustive and filled with pitfalls. Life will never be normal again. Now, if anyone here was in a similar situation would you do the same thing as Lien? I wouldn't.

No it won't. Stop making stuff up.

 

[Dari]

No it won't. Stop making stuff up.

No? You know the future? Do you know what has happened to people who have been catapulted into the media spotlight for controversial reasons? Do you think Lien wants this publicity? Do you think, if he could do things over again, he wouldn't let the bikers have their moment of fun and move on so he too can move on with his life?

 

[Imp]

Lock this shit already...

 

[akugami]

:biggrin: This is the truth.

People are actually trying to blame the SUV driver? Where is the common sense around here?

Well, some idiots are blaming the SUV driver. There are some level headed folks who just say that maybe the SUV driver didn't help the situation. And that's a fairly reasonable stance to take. But only morons would be blaming the SUV driver.

 

[Dari]

Well, some idiots are blaming the SUV driver. There are some level headed folks who just say that maybe the SUV driver didn't help the situation. And that's a fairly reasonable stance to take. But only morons would be blaming the SUV driver.

I don't know of anyone in this thread who is blaming the SUV driver for everything that happened. Those that are critical of him are saying that he should've been smarter in his decision-makings. EVERYONE here knows that bikers were mostly at fault but there are things the SUV driver could've done to mitigate, or avoid altogether, the various critical points in this story. And why would I lambast him? Because he's driving the more powerful vehicle and he has his ENTIRE family in the fucking car. In a situation like that, you have to be extremely alert. You cannot over-rely on the power-advantage of that vehicle because, eventually, you will have to come out.

These are subtle points that the vast majority simply cannot comprehend.