Land Rover Vs Motorbikes in NYC

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ch33zw1z

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What most likely happened what the SUV driver endangered the bikers earlier on. Probably did something really unsafe and arrogant. That's usually why bikers get upset. Car drivers driving stupid or reckless makes the car a weapon.

They wouldn't have slowed him down for no reason at all. Doesn't even look like a break check just that they were all stopping the SUV. You'd be shaken up and upset too if someone had prior endangered your life. People get killed constantly from clueless or reckless car drivers. Of course the riders were bothered by what ever the SUV guy did. If someone had done something that almost killed you or your friends you would too.

They would not have stopped him otherwise. Then he used his SUV as a weapon and assaulted them. Well of course you're going to follow him when he tries to flee the scene. He could have killed someone. Honestly it needs to happen more when people endanger others life on the road. Will be the last time they do it. The SUV driver really got off easy for what he did.

Pure speculation. Either way, the bikers actions have cost them they're annual ride, and made a bad name for themselves. Or a bad name worse. whatever.
 

waggy

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These guys rode in packs to intimidate. There was nothing safe about it.

i agree. but dari is right. you ride in a pack for safety. I rode for roughly 20 years. Though i will day we didn't do shit like that. most of the guys i road with were family men and rode with respect.

Like i said in another thread the driver shoulda floored it and fuck the bikers. I wouldn't have stopped for nothing and been on the phone with 911
 

T9D

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Pure speculation. Either way, the bikers actions have cost them they're annual ride, and made a bad name for themselves. Or a bad name worse. whatever.

They would not do it for no reason at all unless the SUV did something before to endanger them. I'd put money on that.
 

takeru

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If he lives in a free state and packed, the punkasses that smashed his door and attacked him would be dead. Perfectly justified.

Down here, if you have a concealed license, you can carry with you on your person and car and almost anywhere with a few exceptions such as Federal buildings, schools, etc.

and you do realize with that same logic, any of those bikers would also have a gun, and the suv driver would have definitely died.
 

ch33zw1z

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i agree. but dari is right. you ride in a pack for safety. I rode for roughly 20 years. Though i will day we didn't do shit like that. most of the guys i road with were family men and rode with respect.

Like i said in another thread the driver shoulda floored it and fuck the bikers. I wouldn't have stopped for nothing and been on the phone with 911

Right. Most ride in groups for safety. That is not the impression I got from this situation. These riders escalated the situation.
 

T9D

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I've read first hand stories of bikers riding alone and having people in cars throw something at them thinking it's funny and some cars forcing them off the road because the biker wasn't going fast enough even being in the slow lane. Stuff like that happens ALL the time. If someone did that to you I bet you'd be upset and shaken up. People in cars think they are bigger so they can do what they want, not realizing what they are really doing is assault with a deadly weapon or attempted murder.

Think of it this way. If those were bicycle riders on a ride and this SUV guy endangered them before and the bicycle riders tried to stop him and then the SUV ran over the bicycle riders and took off, then the bicycle riders followed him you'd be looking at this a whole nother way. Well it's not really much different except that you hate motorcycle riders.
 

Dari

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You are arguing semantics here.

The bottom line is that a bicyclist who wants fair use of the road pays far FAR less in 'vehicle use' taxes compared to a driver (or motorcyclist, for that matter).



Yet they want special, and now 'protected' bike lanes?

As a driver and a cyclist in NYC I think you're wrong. I think you have no idea what type of pollution vehicles cause and are only thinking out of your ass. Noise, chemical, and congestion pollution muck everything up in the City. Thanks to Mayor Bloomberg there are now more bike lanes and I'm grateful for that because now I can take a Citibike to work. It's healthy, less polluting than train or car, and leaves space for others in those vehicles.

Remember, driving is not a right. And you pay all those taxes because for a very good reason. A bike and a car are not equal.
 

ch33zw1z

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I've read first hand stories of bikers riding alone and having people in cars throw something at them thinking it's funny and some cars forcing them off the road because the biker wasn't going fast enough even being in the slow lane. Stuff like that happens ALL the time. If someone did that to you I bet you'd be upset and shaken up. People in cars think they are bigger so they can do what they want, not realizing what they are really doing is assault with a deadly weapon or attempted murder.

Think of it this way. If those were bicycle riders on a ride and this SUV guy endangered them before and the bicycle riders tried to stop him and then the SUV ran over the bicycle riders and took off, then the bicycle riders followed him you'd be looking at this a whole nother way. Well it's not really much different except that you hate motorcycle riders.

Oh, you caught me Sherlock.

Throw all the hypotheticals out that you want.

Was anyone hurt prior to the bikers stopping traffic in the middle of the road? Nothing report thus far.

Way to escalate, 'grats.
 

ch33zw1z

Lifer
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As a driver and a cyclist in NYC I think you're wrong. I think you have no idea what type of pollution vehicles cause and are only thinking out of your ass. Noise, chemical, and congestion pollution muck everything up in the City. Thanks to Mayor Bloomberg there are now more bike lanes and I'm grateful for that because now I can take a Citibike to work. It's healthy, less polluting than train or car, and leaves space for others in those vehicles.

Remember, driving is not a right. And you pay all those taxes because for a very good reason. A bike and a car are not equal.

I'm with you on all of this. More bike lanes is a good thing.
 

Ns1

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I've read first hand stories of bikers riding alone and having people in cars throw something at them thinking it's funny and some cars forcing them off the road because the biker wasn't going fast enough even being in the slow lane. Stuff like that happens ALL the time. If someone did that to you I bet you'd be upset and shaken up. People in cars think they are bigger so they can do what they want, not realizing what they are really doing is assault with a deadly weapon or attempted murder.

as a cyclist I agree with this. We're also taught to not escalate the situation, because car vs bicycle car wins, everytime.

Think of it this way. If those were bicycle riders on a ride and this SUV guy endangered them before and the bicycle riders tried to stop him and then the SUV ran over the bicycle riders and took off, then the bicycle riders followed him you'd be looking at this a whole nother way. Well it's not really much different except that you hate motorcycle riders.

I like how you conveniently leave out the part where the riders start fucking up the vehicle.
 

lupi

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looks like a bunch of dipshits and the real shame here is he didn't manage to drive over more of them.
 

spidey07

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and you do realize with that same logic, any of those bikers would also have a gun, and the suv driver would have definitely died.

And they would be guilty of murder.

You pull that kind of mob shit in a free state and you'll get run over or shot.

Perfectly legal.
 

spidey07

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I've read first hand stories of bikers riding alone and having people in cars throw something at them thinking it's funny and some cars forcing them off the road because the biker wasn't going fast enough even being in the slow lane. Stuff like that happens ALL the time. If someone did that to you I bet you'd be upset and shaken up. People in cars think they are bigger so they can do what they want, not realizing what they are really doing is assault with a deadly weapon or attempted murder.

Think of it this way. If those were bicycle riders on a ride and this SUV guy endangered them before and the bicycle riders tried to stop him and then the SUV ran over the bicycle riders and took off, then the bicycle riders followed him you'd be looking at this a whole nother way. Well it's not really much different except that you hate motorcycle riders.

Not me.

You attempt to enter my occupied vehicle you are getting dead by whatever means I have available.

Stop defending felony crimes of your tribe. Try that shit in my state and you're getting dead.
 

Svnla

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and you do realize with that same logic, any of those bikers would also have a gun, and the suv driver would have definitely died.

Did you even bother to watch the video? One of the bikers stopped in front of the vehicle for no reason to start the sequence of actions. The SUV driver did NOT purposely chase down the bikers to run over them. The bikers were the ones that attacked him and his family. Do you see the big difference?

He had the right to defense himself and love ones, well, at least down here in the free states that allow non criminals to do so.
 
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RelaxTheMind

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did some of you not even read the article? It says he pulled over after accidentally clipping someone and they started to "damage" his SUV and/or are you blind and not see how chaotic everyone is riding?

I can almost guarantee they were riding within inches of him in the first place revving until he got out of the way but instead god clipped.

I would have done the same exact thing except i have better aim.
 

natto fire

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It is nice how we can find so many reasons to distrust and dislike one another. Mode of transportation seemed too mundane to draw battle lines over, but you showed them!

T9D, you have proven yourself incapable of logic in many other threads, but I want to personally thank you for doing devil's advocate here and sticking your neck out on speculative evidence.
 

spidey07

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Road rage is real. Once it kicks in combined with mob mentality you better be armed.

This guy did everything he could against a hostile mob.

Pop. Pop. Pop. Pop. Pop. Pop. Pop. Pop. Pop.
Drive away and rEload. Or drive over.

This isn't third world shit here. Bunch of monkeys attacking you? Open fire.
 
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Road rage is real. Once it kicks in combined with mob mentality you better be armed.

This guy did everything he could against a hostile mob.

Pop. Pop. Pop. Pop. Pop. Pop. Pop. Pop. Pop.
Drive away and rEload. Or drive over.

This isn't third world shit here. Bunch of monkeys attacking you? Open fire.

You know, even if it wasn't a mob and the whole thing was simply an accident, it is not a good idea to approach a potentially scared driver as a large group. But in this case, the video (and news reports) looks like motorocyclists being asshats caused the collision. The driver initially stops, as legally required, but the gang starts to intimidate the driver (and damage the vehicle according to police reports), driver gets scared and bolts.
 

natto fire

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Road rage is real. Once it kicks in combined with mob mentality you better be armed.

This guy did everything he could against a hostile mob.

Pop. Pop. Pop. Pop. Pop. Pop. Pop. Pop. Pop.
Drive away and rEload. Or drive over.

This isn't third world shit here. Bunch of monkeys attacking you? Open fire.

Did I not get the memo that we were living in a Mad Max society? I know things are a bit behind the times here in Ohio, but how is it not third world to murder a bunch of people over who was in the right in a traffic dispute?

I get what you are saying, especially on the note of mob mentality, but the person who kills everyone who is behaving tribal is not much better IMO. Not that the driver could have easily found the "leader" and neutralized the situation, but I think this thread is testament to knee jerk reactions running rampant when the reactees don't even have the full story.
 

feralkid

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Did I not get the memo that we were living in a Mad Max society? I know things are a bit behind the times here in Ohio, but how is it not third world to murder a bunch of people over who was in the right in a traffic dispute?

I get what you are saying, especially on the note of mob mentality, but the person who kills everyone who is behaving tribal is not much better IMO. Not that the driver could have easily found the "leader" and neutralized the situation, but I think this thread is testament to knee jerk reactions running rampant when the reactees don't even have the full story.



It's spidey; everyone's learned to ignore his homicidal rants.
 

dougp

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They would not do it for no reason at all unless the SUV did something before to endanger them. I'd put money on that.

Really? Have you read what else these fucking morons did? I doubt a father driving with his wife and kid would be aggressive over these fucktards who were going out and starting shit in other locations. Benefit of the doubt does NOT go to these riders when the only "evidence" shows the bikers instigating.
 
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