I counter your impetus argument with the action that occurred prior to him striking a motorcycle. The motorcycle stopped on the highway. THAT was the impetus of everything happening. If the motorcycle didn't, none of this would have happened.
Btw, what's your source on Rosalyn Ng's father being Raymond Kelly?
Did you notice that the bike pulled right in front of him and IMMEDIATELY applied the brake? There's a reason you don't do that.He rear ended the biker before anything else happened.
These bikers didn't just decide to randomly target some range rover. lien's terrible driving could've killed someone. The fact that he was driving like an inattentive idiot enough to rear end a motorcycle in the middle of a huge group of bikes speaks a lot towards his mentality.
I don't support them slashing his tires after he rear-ended someone, but I definitely can understand why they did it. Doesn't make it right, or legal, but it's possible to rationalize their behaviour.
lien's inattentive driving was the impetus for this entire situation. It doesn't justify their reaction, but it was still the spark which ignited the flame.
The initial "contact" was lien not paying attention and rear ending a motorcyclist.
A lot of people are acting like Bikers have the right of way always. But as Lien shows them NO THEY DONT!!!
The initial "contact" was lien not paying attention and rear ending a motorcyclist.
Dari at least, aside from the BS, has some merit. SA cannot comprehend that the bikers wanted Lien to stop, bump or not and there is no "defensive driving" against someone who wants you to stop, particularly a group of bikers. See Lien only delayed the inevitable dragging and beating, Dari's assertion is that at least in the outset, he could have chosen one biker, perhaps the leader who approached him, and engage him. The rest would be caught in observance and hopefully any attacks on him would be reprimanded or mitigated before a conversation could take place. Sure they'd smash his vehicle up, but those can be fixed, people ticketed or arrested for it. I don't feel Lien was "trying to escalate" which never ends well but that his fight or flight response did not mix well with heated heads and motorcycles.Wow...Dari + SA = Pure Ignorance. They are the definition of IGNORANCE. PURE IGNORANCE. People in the ghetto are very stupid and ignorant, But Dari and SA tops the scale. Its so funny reading there posts of ignorance.
Sure, but this situation could have very, very easily ended with lien, his wife, and child dead.
I see your mentality is similar to lien's, if it's legally justified just run the mofo's over then do it, let out the rage of being bullied and a poor driver.. Well. Next time lien might not be so lucky.
And if that was accidental then lien should have his license revoked.
Boy, you just keep ratcheting up the stupid.
Let's accept (which I do not) that Lien was primarily at fault in the initial rear-end collision. Fine. In that situation, the proper course of action would be to pull over, make sure the other driver was OK, and exchange information. He did those things, or at least attempted to by pulling over.
As soon as he did, the motorcyclists started pounding on his car and slashed one of his tires. He had his wife and toddler in the car. At that point, driving away (including driving over a motorcyclist trying to use himself and his bike as a barrier) had nothing to do with "the rage of being bullied and a poor driver" - it was an act of reasonable self-defense and defense of others.
You seem to be taking the view that he ran the bikers over for sport, which is truly a remarkably stupid sentiment.
Sure, but this situation could have very, very easily ended with lien, his wife, and child dead.
I see your mentality is similar to lien's, if it's legally justified just run the mofo's over then do it, let out the rage of being bullied and a poor driver.. Well. Next time lien might not be so lucky.
I've said from the get-go that the bikers wanted him to stop, before he rear ended the first biker. It's blatantly obvious from that video that they were closing the highway.
That still doesn't give lien the right or legal authority to rear end the biker.
And if that was accidental then lien should have his license revoked.
Sure, but this situation could have very, very easily ended with lien, his wife, and child dead.
I see your mentality is similar to lien's, if it's legally justified just run the mofo's over then do it, let out the rage of being bullied and a poor driver.. Well. Next time lien might not be so lucky.
How cute. I wonder what you really look like. :wub:
Cruz was making the conscious decision to brake check lien, the average human response time is 1/3 of a second. When a light vehicle operator decides to try and stop a much heavier vehicle its going to take more time and distance to react. Maintaining a cushion of space which again is a rule of thumb cited in DMV handbooks. You may want to look into reading it before you "endanger your family" by making the mistake of driving a public road blocked illegally by unlicensed gangbangers.I've said from the get-go that the bikers wanted him to stop, before he rear ended the first biker. It's blatantly obvious from that video that they were closing the highway.
That still doesn't give lien the right or legal authority to rear end the biker.
And if that was accidental then lien should have his license revoked.
Cruz was making the conscious decision to brake check lien, the average human response time is 1/3 of a second. When a light vehicle operator decides to try and stop a much heavier vehicle its going to take more time and distance to react. Maintaining a cushion of space which again is a rule of thumb cited in DMV handbooks. You may want to look into reading it before you "endanger your family" by making the mistake of driving a public road blocked illegally by unlicensed gangbangers.
I can't believe we all watched the same video.
The initial "contact" was lien not paying attention and rear ending a motorcyclist.
Sure, but this situation could have very, very easily ended with lien, his wife, and child dead.
I see your mentality is similar to lien's, if it's legally justified just run the mofo's over then do it, let out the rage of being bullied and a poor driver.. Well. Next time lien might not be so lucky.
No, who wants to bet Lien invests in some run flats? I don't get how you can see the situation could have ended in his death...but blame him. The biker brake checked him. It's really just that simple.
Making a point on his part is wild speculation. So in your view the public is not entitled right of way when a bunch of criminals take over the road? Right, got it.Act as naive as you want. If lien couldn't tell that they were actively trying to block the highway then he is not fit to drive and endanger the rest of us.
The reason he got illegally brake checked was because he didn't give a shit that they were blocking the highway.
Like I said. By himself, stupid but whatever, but endangering his family to make a point is incredibly stupid.