Making a point on his part is wild speculation. So in your view the public is not entitled right of way when a bunch of criminals take over the road? Right, got it.
It's blatantly obvious, even in the first few seconds of that video, that the riders are stopping the highway.
If he wasn't making a point then he is a terrible driver. It's one or the other.
In my opinion.... He's just a mouth breathing idiot with horrible driving habits, and was incapable of realizing what was going on around him. Probably used to bumping into things with his car and not understanding what he's doing wrong.
God that is a weak point, one SUV driver following the rules of the road versus a hundred law breaking idiots who follow no city traffic law. Clear as mud, sir.In my opinion.... He's just a mouth breathing idiot with horrible driving habits, and was incapable of realizing what was going on around him. Probably used to bumping into things with his car and not understanding what he's doing wrong.
It's blatantly obvious, even in the first few seconds of that video, that the riders are stopping the highway.
If he wasn't making a point then he is a terrible driver. It's one or the other.
In my opinion.... He's just a mouth breathing idiot with horrible driving habits, and was incapable of realizing what was going on around him. Probably used to bumping into things with his car and not understanding what he's doing wrong.
I've said from the get-go that the bikers wanted him to stop, before he rear ended the first biker. It's blatantly obvious from that video that they were closing the highway.
That still doesn't give lien the right or legal authority to rear end the biker.
And if that was accidental then lien should have his license revoked.
If you argue anything else, I'm writing you off as delusional.
Dude, you're trolling.
George Carlin said:Just think of how stupid the average person is, and then realize half of them are even stupider!
Fixed.LOL, this thread is so much more tragic than the actual story.
LOL, this thread is so much better than the actual story.
It's not his fault if the biker cut him off and slammed on the brakes.
But...that part of the video you chose to ignore so I wouldn't expect you to understand that.
You and Dari either ignore parts of the video or watched something completely unrelated and just don't have a clue.
So you agree the biker brake-checked Lien, and that Lien probably feared for his life. However, you still maintain that although the biker brake-checked, the biker was angry and that, despite not having a right to be angry at Lien and Lien fearing for his life, he still should have rolled down his window.Yes, a biker did brake-check Lien and, yes, Lien probably feared for his life.
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After the accident, the biker was obviously angry. It's ok for him to vent. The worst thing you can do is show indifference. Lien did that by not rolling down his window.
So you agree the biker brake-checked Lien, and that Lien probably feared for his life. However, you still maintain that although the biker brake-checked, the biker was angry and that, despite not having a right to be angry at Lien and Lien fearing for his life, he still should have rolled down his window.
He had a right to be angry (as far as he was concerned). Lien could've put the car in park and rolled down his window and started talking. There were many witnesses for the biker to try to harm Lien. If he did try to harm him that he could've pulled it up and easily pulled away while averting the other bikers.
Look, it's obvious that Lien is a pussy here. No doubt. He had no reason to fear for his life. The bikers were not trying to kill him. They were just angry and were venting. And they were probably trying to intimidate him. And it was understandable because their toy just got damaged. Lien should man up and deal with problems himself instead of running away from them or wishing them away. And relying on your hotshot uncle to get you out of these jams is just sad. When his daughter grows up she will see her pops lying on the pavement bleeding and think "My daddy is a pussy." Not good.
You have no basis to make this statement.
It's an uncouth way he describes it, but I think Lien was just succumbing to human nature and making unoptimal decisions in two ways. It seems crazy to grey poupon style roll down a window and ask what's wrong but sometimes it just might do the trick. I feel like a bit of social awkwardness led to Lien's not rolling down his window to talk freely. In everyone's mind, they believe they're correct (look at SpatiallyAware) so it matters not how wrong the bikers were for illegally taking over the public road, getting over my kneejerk hatred for the bikers I see it now. Dari adds a bit of politically incorrect language but he's right and this could have not even made local news. They would have likely demanded money before letting them go, car damaged, etc.. It would have been exceedingly rare for his family to be harmed, wife raped etc. as that tends to happen only in the middle east. The communication could have disarmed the situation, not defensive driving. The second decision Lien made was gunning it because he knew he could not fight a dozen pissed off guys. This led to what made national news.You have no basis to make this statement.
If he needed to move to the right, how was he supposed to do that without constantly looking around for an opportunity?... Unlike Ichinisan, I would ignore the bikers running parallel to me UNLESS they're trying to get my attention. ...
They didn't hesitate to attack his vehicle when he stopped. Only a couple seconds after he stopped, the front passenger-side tire was slashed.[stuff]
We are just as likely to encounter this situation as he was.Dear god if anyone takes anything away from this thread, I hope it's that none of us has to go through something like this.
Not to sound rude or condescending, but leaning on the signal, maybe a horn or two. They made him stop in the middle of the road but to indicate he would pull off to the shoulder like a traffic stop would have shown them that he was interested in communicating. Hell I'm thinking now sort of like dealing with an attacking dog and sacrificing your arm to disable it, Lien could have jumped out and locked the car behind him. Either the bikers would start throwing punches or Cruz who brake checked him would have waved them down so he could yell at Lien. This is so much speculation and assumption but the ultimate violence could have been avoided.If he needed to move to the right, how was he supposed to do that without constantly looking around for an opportunity?
Right, they were already aggressive towards him but that was just his car. If his ultimate goal was protecting his family, he really didn't have many options but to address them and give them what they wanted. He could have drawn a line at his family being touched and then fight and die valiantly. Perhaps (more speculation here), signaling and stopping on the shoulder they would have avoided slashing tires but from another posters story of these gangs propensity to scam drivers by slashing tires regardless and then demanding money as an intention to get money (we're talking about jobless scum here).They didn't hesitate to attack his vehicle when he stopped. Only a couple seconds after he stopped, the front passenger-side tire was slashed.
We are just as likely to encounter this situation as he was.
He had a right to be angry (as far as he was concerned). Lien could've put the car in park and rolled down his window and started talking. There were many witnesses for the biker to try to harm Lien. If he did try to harm him that he could've pulled it up and easily pulled away while averting the other bikers.
Look, it's obvious that Lien is a pussy here. No doubt. He had no reason to fear for his life. The bikers were not trying to kill him. They were just angry and were venting. And they were probably trying to intimidate him. And it was understandable because their toy just got damaged. Lien should man up and deal with problems himself instead of running away from them or wishing them away. And relying on your hotshot uncle to get you out of these jams is just sad. When his daughter grows up she will see her pops lying on the pavement bleeding and think "My daddy is a pussy." Not good.
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