Makes you feel like a tough guy calling other people a pussy, doesn't it?
In my head, I imagine you look like Napoleon Dynamite's brother Kif.
Been to any Rex Kwan Do lessons recently?
Really? Stopping on the highway after an accident but doing NOTHING except to watch an angry biker scream, hit and yell at you?
Then, later, having bikers physically drag you out of your car and beat you within an inch of your life as your WIFE and DAUGHTER watch? And you do nothing? Really? Listen, man, having brains is good and all but you've got to have some balls too. All brains and no balls makes you a pussy.
I wonder, when the cameras and lawyers and phones are away. I wonder, when they are in their most intimate moments. When they're in their den and they're across from each other. And their daughter is in bed. I wonder, what does his wife really think of him. When she's looking at him. Staring deep into his soul. What does she think? Does she love him even more for what he did or does she thank G-d that he has a hotshot uncle that can take care of these problems. I wonder what motivates her now. What drives her.
It flies in the face of plain common sense but it's all he had. Experts speculate as much as anybody. Now I'm thinking he could have pulled off on the shoulder, left it running, locked it behind him after instructing his wife to gun it when they eventually would beat him up or were distracted (most of them would have left their bikes to surround Lien so no bodily harm would have resulted from her running away). They would have less impetus to follow her and the child because they would have Lien to take it out on. I personally don't give a shit if I died if it means my wife and kid are left alone.While I compliment you on your calm and candor in the discussion, what you're suggesting flies in the face of everything people are advised to do in such a situation. Never has any expert advised a motorist to confront a lone aggressor, let alone a mob of them.
It flies in the face of plain common sense but it's all he had. Experts speculate as much as anybody. Now I'm thinking he could have pulled off on the shoulder, left it running, locked it behind him after instructing his wife to gun it when they eventually would beat him up or were distracted (most of them would have left their bikes to surround Lien so no bodily harm would have resulted from her running away). They would have less impetus to follow her and the child because they would have Lien to take it out on. I personally don't give a shit if I died if it means my wife and kid are left alone.
I applaud running over Mieses but if the end goal was to protect his family, Dari's assertion is right because had there not been good samaritans to step in, the beating would have continued and his wife and child would have been victimized as well.Lien made the right move, he just got screwed by circumstances (stopped traffic up the road).
Those bikers were behaving like rabid animals. We put rabid animals down.
Experts speculate as much as anybody.
Keeping windows rolled up.... sure worked.So you're saying he should have sacrificed himself so he wouldn't have to sacrifice them? Screw that.
No they don't, that's why they're called experts. We're speculating here. The "experts" have data which has led them to conclude that you're better off staying in your car, keeping your window rolled up, and not making any eye contact whatsoever. Psychologists have affirmed that deviating from this is very likely to just incite the aggressors even more.
Keeping windows rolled up.... sure worked.
Don't engage
Avoid eye contact
Do not get out of your car.
avoid eye contact
Lock your doors
They didn't hesitate to attack his vehicle when he stopped. Only a couple seconds after he stopped, the front passenger-side tire was slashed.
We are just as likely to encounter this situation as he was.
From AAA:
From the US Department of Transportation:
Plenty of other material in both links, but this material was particularly relevant when determining whether he should have gotten out of his car, unlocked his doors at any point, confronted them, etc.
Those instructions are for road rage, not for dealing with accidents. Not sure how you're supposed to exchange info after an accident by avoiding the other person.
Road rage is what those bikers had.
Makes you feel like a tough guy calling other people a pussy, doesn't it?
In my head, I imagine you look like Napoleon Dynamite's brother Kif.
Been to any Rex Kwan Do lessons recently?
Those instructions are for road rage
Oh really, professor?
Before I get into it with yet another potential troll... is this guy on the same level as SpatialAwareness and sixone?
Not really. There was aggression (brake-checking) but no anger coming from the bikers before the accident. No road rage before Lien ran over them either. Only after he did that did all hell break lose.
Aggression alone does not equate to road rage, at least not what I've encountered.
Oh really, professor?
Before I get into it with yet another potential troll... is this guy on the same level as SpatialAwareness and sixone?
He's even worse, he's as willfully ignorant, but also goes around making up insane stories because he's totally fucked in the head. He apparently sees something completely different than what basically every other person (other than the ironically named Spatially Aware) does in that video. In his mind the bikers never attacked until after the guy ran away, despite it being clear and witnesses supporting that they slashed the tires.
I wonder how much this is going to cost Alexa Lien in court and settlement costs...
$500k?
Over $1m?
Will his insurance pay or will they fuck him. Was all it all worth potentially losing all that money and getting his ass kicked? Me thinks not.
Lien did man up. How many people have the balls to just drive through and over bikes like that? It was awesome. Classic example of kicking ass to save your family. It's only when he manned down and didn't use reverse near the end to run over more of these thugs that things went badly for him. If he had kept running them over like they deserved he wouldn't have been beaten. Next time I want to see the guy do donuts and tail-whip the back of his vehicle into sport bikes. Donuts are even easier with stabbed out rear wheels, he could have slid around the streets sliding into bikes all day long.He had a right to be angry (as far as he was concerned). Lien could've put the car in park and rolled down his window and started talking. There were many witnesses for the biker to try to harm Lien. If he did try to harm him that he could've pulled it up and easily pulled away while averting the other bikers.
Look, it's obvious that Lien is a pussy here. No doubt. He had no reason to fear for his life. The bikers were not trying to kill him. They were just angry and were venting. And they were probably trying to intimidate him. And it was understandable because their toy just got damaged. Lien should man up and deal with problems himself instead of running away from them or wishing them away. And relying on your hotshot uncle to get you out of these jams is just sad. When his daughter grows up she will see her pops lying on the pavement bleeding and think "My daddy is a pussy." Not good.