Land Rover Vs Motorbikes in NYC

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nixium

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^^ that article sucks Dari, and the writers points would only be true if you didn't consider any other facts in the case.

basically using the writers logic you can throw out every rape case, ever, because there's no way to prove that the victim didn't not give consent.
 

Slammy1

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The bikers around here are much better, they were out when I got off work last year and they'd do their stunts without stopping traffic (although they did slow it). This year they got into a fight with each other, no civilians harmed.

I always say this is the toughest part of the country (at least of the places I've been, but who goes somewhere like Detroit n vacation?). Places like New Jersey and New York have higher population densities but do not have the desperation that they have around here.

No one deserves to be crippled no matter how stupid. It may have been a logical conclusion of his stupidity, it wasn't the RR that crippled him it was his behavior.
 

Dari

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I've got some news for you, he has to be convicted by a jury of his peers and they can charge him all day long but he won't be convicted and shouldn't be IMHO. He has a right to be on the road with his family and not be assaulted by these scumbag coward assholes. OMG!, how dare you drive your SUV on OUR road!, I only wish he wiped out a couple dozen more of the scum..

I hear you, but it changes nothing. The law is the law and Lien is not 100% innocent in this. And this is New York City we're talking about. I live here. You will ALWAYS find someone that has a different opinion. If his lawyers are over-confident and let the wrong ones into that jury booth, GAME OVER. It has happened before and will happen again.
 

ch33zw1z

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Jealous? WTF would I be jealous? I'm happy that someone that ugly was able to find a partner. But am I the only one who witnessed the entire progression of his marriage on Anandtech and found it annoying? From the finding the engagement ring to the proposal to finding a place to hold the wedding to the marriage to where they should go for the honeymoon. GOD DAMN. It's as if he has no friends.

yea, you jelly.
 

ch33zw1z

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I hear you, but it changes nothing. The law is the law and Lien is not 100% innocent in this. And this is New York City we're talking about. I live here. You will ALWAYS find someone that has a different opinion. If his lawyers are over-confident and let the wrong ones into that jury booth, GAME OVER. It has happened before and will happen again.

Only time will tell. I have a feeling he'll be on his merry little way in life when all is said and done. Assume prosecution against the RR driver makes it to trial. If I was picked for the jury, the prosecution would have to find some pretty convincing evidence to trump the video that the bikers recorded.
 
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Dari

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@Dari

Even for off topic this is going overboard. That's a clearly racist comment.

How is it when you guys like to talk past each other (at least when it comes to politics). Here is how it goes in Asia:

Asian A: Apologize

Asian B: No, you apologize

Asian A: No, you apologize first

That's how it is. No one wants to listen to the other because of the obsession with saving face. So they close their mind and cannot tolerate differing opinion. I couldn't care less if someone puts me on an ignore list. All it does is hurt them because it makes them wonder what I'm saying. They then wait for someone to quote me so they can read what I'm saying. Pathetic. Zeze obviously had nothing constructive to say but he just had to follow me here. Sad, I know...
 
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ch33zw1z

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And you know this how? Come to NYC during the Puerto Rican Day parade in June, Dominican Day parade in August and West Indies Day Parade and you will see what I'm talking about. Try going to Harlem or Brooklyn on those days and you will encounter these bikers. It's a fact of life.

Sadly there is not a douchebag-biker day. But if there was, I'm sure it would take place on a three lane stretch of highway.
 

Dari

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Only time will tell. I have a feeling he'll be on his merry little way in life when all is said and done. Assume prosecution against the RR driver makes it to trial. If I was picked for the jury, the prosecution would have to find some pretty convincing evidence to trump the video that the bikers recorded.

Well, let's hope his lawyers are competent and not confident. If they go with public opinion and let anyone in, he will lose, criminally (if charged) and civilly (sic???).

I will repeat what I've been saying before because I've watched this thread turn into a drone with lemmings agreeing with each other. It is smarter to avoid a fight than to do things because you feel you are in the right or feel you have rights. Sometimes it just isn't worth the fight because it'll cause you in blood, time, and treasure. Why battle these bottom feeders when you don't have to?

Finally, someone is always watching, whether it's now or in the future. Whether it's a total stranger or your own child. How you handle a situation will come to influence others. Make the right choice and society will be better off. Make the wrong one and someone else may repeat that mistake.
 

ch33zw1z

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I don't see where the RR driver had much of a choice in the matter. Avoid a fight? looks like that's what he tried to do. The fight came to him, he fled.
 

Dari

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I don't see where the RR driver had much of a choice in the matter. Avoid a fight? looks like that's what he tried to do. The fight came to him, he fled.

He was riding too close. That was his first mistake. His second was not communicating...

like, you can play hackey sack with them low? or, they just peek out of your shorts low.

Low as in there's room for everyone under the bridge that is my dick.
 

ch33zw1z

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He was riding too close. That was his first mistake. His second was not communicating...

Swarmed by thirty bikers (who can stop much faster than you). Cut off and brake checked on a 3-lane roadway. No injuries at first...So what you're saying is that the bikers were banging on his car and trying to open his door because they wanted to make sure the driver of the RR was ok after the fender bender that just occurred, and none of the bikers has yet sustained any injuries, so the welfare of their fellow man was of the highest priority.
 

Dari

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Swarmed by thirty bikers (who can stop much faster than you). Cut off and brake checked on a 3-lane roadway. No injuries at first...So what you're saying is that the bikers were banging on his car and trying to open his door because they wanted to make sure the driver of the RR was ok after the fender bender that just occurred, and none of the bikers has yet sustained any injuries, so the welfare of their fellow man was of the highest priority.

That is your interpretation of what you saw. Your own analysis. As for the brake-checking, in NYC people are always in a hurry so they tailgate others extremely closely. I happens often and the RR had no business being that close. I'm not saying that the bikers had the right to do their acts on the public highway but the RR driver did himself no favors by riding so closely.
 

WilliamM2

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That is your interpretation of what you saw. Your own analysis. As for the brake-checking, in NYC people are always in a hurry so they tailgate others extremely closely. I happens often and the RR had no business being that close. I'm not saying that the bikers had the right to do their acts on the public highway but the RR driver did himself no favors by riding so closely.

So you completely missed the part where the biker passed the RR in the SAME lane as the RR, and then quickly pulled in front of him? Are you blind? Or just more dishonesty?

The RR wasn't tailgating anybody, they were all traveling at a much faster speed than he was, and passing him on both sides. Until the idiot brake checked him.
 

seepy83

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So you completely missed the part where the biker passed the RR in the SAME lane as the RR, and then quickly pulled in front of him? Are you blind? Or just more dishonesty?

The RR wasn't tailgating anybody, they were all traveling at a much faster speed than he was, and passing him on both sides. Until the idiot brake checked him.

He's either just trolling now, or he only watched the video once and doesn't have a good handle on what actually happened.
 

akugami

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@2timer

In the video, at the 0:44 mark is right after they brake check the SUV. Stop number one. When it's at about the 5:00 mark, that's after the SUB took off and they cornered him on the highway. That's stop number two. The third time the SUV stops is inside the city and he had nowhere to go and was a sitting duck.


When I first heard the news on this on Oct 2, I felt horrible someone got run over and felt like the SUV was in the wrong. It wasn't until more facts appeared that I felt outraged at these motorcyclists.

I myself make the drive up to NY on occasion from Philadelphia. My wife has family in NY. I also occasionally drive up near Boston for fishing trips. I can easily imagine myself as Lien and I would have done the same thing he did to save the lives of my family.
 

BUTCH1

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That is your interpretation of what you saw. Your own analysis. As for the brake-checking, in NYC people are always in a hurry so they tailgate others extremely closely. I happens often and the RR had no business being that close. I'm not saying that the bikers had the right to do their acts on the public highway but the RR driver did himself no favors by riding so closely.

"Riding so closely"? they were swarming around his car like a flock of degenerate flies, there's hundreds of them, use common sense, would anyone want to instigate someone with those odds??..Of course not, the bike who ultimately brake-checked in front of him did so in an attempt to cause an accident, pure and simple. Let's not forget the asshole has multiple felony convictions AND no license, he's been convicted of driving without one so many other times he's currently banned from getting a license. I've lived in an area that has one of the largest bike events in the world (bike week, Daytona) for 25+ years and have never had a problem like what happened here and never seen real "bikers" act like that. Mobile thugs is a better definition.
 

Engineer

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You guys are wasting your time arguing with the 'dickhole'. Revisit this thread after the trials and let it take care of itself, as I suspect it will.
 

Doppel

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Well, that's just your opinion and it means nothing legally...
You are absolutely incorrect. It is unlawful confinement. Go look it up. If a bunch of strangers force you against your will into a particular area, or against your will from leaving it, you can defend yourself.

http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Canadian_Criminal_Law/Offences/Kidnapping_and_Unlawful_Confinement
In Canada, I'm sure it's similar in the US:
The duration of the confinement does not need to be lengthy. A "significant" period of time where the victim is "coercively restrained or directed contrary to her wishes, so that she could not move about according to her own inclination and desire" will be sufficient.[7]

So, in fact, your opinion is just that and means nothing legally, because it's wrong.
You guys are wasting your time arguing with the 'dickhole'. Revisit this thread after the trials and let it take care of itself, as I suspect it will.
True, but it's not so much debating him as just schooling him. I don't think any of us expect him to change his wildly incorrect opinion, so it's kind of a beat down that he's asking for. Somewhat like being run over when you assault a guy and his family.
 
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Engineer

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.True, but it's not so much debating him as just schooling him. I don't think any of us expect him to change his wildly incorrect opinion, so it's kind of a beat down that he's asking for. Somewhat like being run over when you assault a guy and his family.

I'll just wait and let the facts come out to see who the real 'dickhole' is.
 

yuchai

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How is it when you guys like to talk past each other (at least when it comes to politics). Here is how it goes in Asia:

Asian A: Apologize

Asian B: No, you apologize

Asian A: No, you apologize first

That's how it is. No one wants to listen to the other because of the obsession with saving face. So they close their mind and cannot tolerate differing opinion. I couldn't care less if someone puts me on an ignore list. All it does is hurt them because it makes them wonder what I'm saying. They then wait for someone to quote me so they can read what I'm saying. Pathetic. Zeze obviously had nothing constructive to say but he just had to follow me here. Sad, I know...

By Asians A & B, you really mean how Congress/bi-partisanship is working out in the good old USA now, right?
 
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