[laptopmedia] An early sample of AMD Radeon Polaris 11 is in our office

Azix

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GPUs already in laptops.

http://laptopmedia.com/highlights/a...10-is-in-our-office-and-heres-what-to-expect/

EDIT: It has come to our attention that the Polaris 11 is actually the codename for the GPU integrated into consoles and mobile devices (laptops). According to earlier reports, it was the other way around, but thanks to our readers and some research on the web, it has been pointed out that the Polaris 10 is actually the desktop-class GPU despite the smaller number in the name.

We’ve all heard about AMD’s response to the NVIDIA’s Pascal generation CPUs but not all had the chance to test the new GPUs. Luckily, we were able to get our hands on an early engineering sample of what is believed to be an AMD Radeon Polaris 11 series GPU. 11 means that the GPU is used in consoles and notebooks and in our case – a notebook.

The laptop we have is considered to be low to mid-range notebook so the chances are that we are not testing the high-end model. However, it will give us a good grasp of what’s to come from AMD’s Polaris generation and how will compete in the mid-range segment against NVIDIA’s Pascal counterparts.

One of the most notable features we are really excited about is the brand new GCN 4 architecture that brings tons of new features including the well-known instruction pre-fetch, which is found in the CPU industry. Along with the GCN 4, the company finally goes 14nm on its graphic chips using the FinFET manufacturing technology process. This will decrease the overall power consumption at idle and at load while limiting the leakage of current and lower heat dispersion.

We are eager to test out the full potential of the GPU so expect full set of test and a full review in the coming days or week.

EDIT:

It seems that the initial claims of our source were wrong and the unit we received as a sample featured the AMD Radeon M430, which isn’t a Polaris GPU. We were able to identify thanks to our friend Maciej from Videocardz.com. We take full responsibility for the mistake but we were really hyped about the news about testing the Polaris sample. In hindsight, we should have first taken a better look at the sample and make sure it’s the real deal before posting. We assure you we didn’t gain anything from all the confusion, except bad rep.

Anyway, we are still waiting for a Polaris sample in the near future, which we will receive from our source, so in the meantime, you can check out the AMD A9-9410 CPU and AMD Radeon R5 M430 (2GB DDR3) units we were able to test on the aforementioned sample. You can also look up the chips in our CPU and GPU rankings.
 
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IllogicalGlory

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Hmm,

So Polaris 11 is going the be the PS4K GPU?
The most "reliable" rumor I've seen for the PS4K is 2x current GPU + clock speed increase, which seems like it matches Polaris 10 much more closely.

Still, I'd be surprised if the PS4K is any kind of substantial hardware upgrade.
 

dzoni2k2

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What consoles are they talking about? I mean I'm not saying P11 won't be used in a future console but was there a confirmation somewhere or are they pulling it out of their behind?
 

Stuka87

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What consoles are they talking about? I mean I'm not saying P11 won't be used in a future console but was there a confirmation somewhere or are they pulling it out of their behind?

The PS4K has been rumored, and evidence has shown up of it, just not hard factual evidence from sony yet, and wont until E3. Sony needs this for their VR headset.

There is some rumor of an updated XBox, but it is looking like at this point it is only a slim version of the current console.

And in regards to a post above, I highly doubt the PS4K will be Polaris 10, it will be an 11. Which can still easily be twice as powerful as the GPU it currently has.
 

R0H1T

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The PS4K has been rumored, and evidence has shown up of it, just not hard factual evidence from sony yet, and wont until E3. Sony needs this for their VR headset.

There is some rumor of an updated XBox, but it is looking like at this point it is only a slim version of the current console.

And in regards to a post above, I highly doubt the PS4K will be Polaris 10, it will be an 11. Which can still easily be twice as powerful as the GPU it currently has.
You forgot the NX, I bet Nintendo will have to introduce it before the (true) next gen from MS, Sony hit the market that is if they want to regain market share & not become the VIA of consoles.
 

Stuka87

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Seems more likely that P11 would be in the PS4.5 instead of the PS4K.

PS4.5 is a name that some people gave it, they are the same thing...

With PS4K being a much better name, since the console will have support for outputting at 4k resolution (although most likely upscaled).
 

Azix

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amazing if it ends up in the nintendo console. Unless we know whats in that already.

Consoles will have custom versions so it might end up somewhere between polaris 10 and 11 in power. Though we do not know the limits of polaris 11 just from the 1080p battlefront demo. Would guess needs more power than that tho for 4k

if they already have these in laptops for testing the launch shouldn't be that far off. And its going to be great for AMD to be getting back into laptops with a strong GPU offering. Some decent laptop gaming incoming. Things will get even better on a budget when the APUs are zen + polaris
 

S.H.O.D.A.N.

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Though we do not know the limits of polaris 11 just from the 1080p battlefront demo. Would guess needs more power than that tho for 4k

Let's remember that whatever claims Sony can make when releasing a 4k console will inevitably be laden with copious amounts of small print. Merely being able to output 4k image does not mean playing games at 4k. Neither does up scaling to 4k count as, you know, actual 4k. Getting a Polaris chip will be an obvious upgrade, but monikers like PS4k should be taken with a potentially lethal dose of salt.
 
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Tuna-Fish

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Hmm,

So Polaris 11 is going the be the PS4K GPU?

A lot of the titles out there make use of the PS4 GPU being very close to the CPU, and sharing all memory.

It would be impossible to be backwards-compatible with all PS4 titles if you used a discrete GPU.
 

Azix

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A lot of the titles out there make use of the PS4 GPU being very close to the CPU, and sharing all memory.

It would be impossible to be backwards-compatible with all PS4 titles if you used a discrete GPU.

would just be a GPU based on it.

Let's remember that whatever claims Sony can make when releasing a 4k console will inevitably be laden with copious amounts of small print. Merely being able to output 4k image does not mean playing games at 4k. Neither does up scaling to 4k count as, you know, actual 4k. Getting a Polaris chip will be an obvious upgrade, but monikers like PS4k should be taken with a potentially lethal dose of salt.


I am assuming ps4 1080 games at 4K 30fps or 60fps if they do 60fps already, would be the aim. In that case you would just play the same games on each with only resolution being different.

We'll see if they can pull that off.
 

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I am assuming ps4 1080 games at 4K 30fps or 60fps if they do 60fps already, would be the aim.

We'll see if they can pull that off.

Polaris 10 might just about be able to push 30fps at 4K, assuming it has a decent CPU for a partner and not that wheezing Jaguar derivative powering both boxes. I don't see consoles forking out for a Polaris 10 in any case and 11 isn't a 4k chip, no way no how.

They may upscale stuff heavily, or advertise native 4k for simplistic VR games, but that's about it.


If an actual 4k console happens any time soon, it will either murder Sony's margins on the hardware or be a feat of engineering comparable to the second coming of Christ.
 

swilli89

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Polaris 10 might just about be able to push 30fps at 4K, assuming it has a decent CPU for a partner and not that wheezing Jaguar derivative powering both boxes. I don't see consoles forking out for a Polaris 10 in any case and 11 isn't a 4k chip, no way no how.

They may upscale stuff heavily, or advertise native 4k for simplistic VR games, but that's about it.


If an actual 4k console happens any time soon, it will either murder Sony's margins on the hardware or be a feat of engineering comparable to the second coming of Christ.

For sure this ^. With close to metal efficiencies and 1 design performance target, I bet a Polaris 10 in a console could handle reasonable settings 4k @ 30fps, especially if new console games use DX 12 features.
 

MrTeal

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Am I the only one that given the general bumbling nature of the article and their lack of knowledge of the product finds it unlikely that this site just happened to have a Polaris equipped low end laptop drop into their hands?
 

swilli89

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Am I the only one that given the general bumbling nature of the article and their lack of knowledge of the product finds it unlikely that this site just happened to have a Polaris equipped low end laptop drop into their hands?

Ha yes I had the same thoughts. Possibly a partner f'ed up and gave them a unit with a Polaris chip.
 

ElFenix

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burying articles in threads about other articles. They get missed

we could just have 1 mega thread about this one upcoming product line, instead of balkanizing the threads all over the place for each new article.

just a thought.
 

xthetenth

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If we had a good megathread started as such especially if the OP did a bit of work indexing it, that'd be ideal, but keeping up with megathreads and not missing anything is potentially pretty demanding and I'd expect to post things they miss in the megathread occasionally.
 

KaRLiToS

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we could just have 1 mega thread about this one upcoming product line, instead of balkanizing the threads all over the place for each new article.

just a thought.

I don't agree with this.

I like when each news has a thread. So people discuss about the specific news subject. Instead of having one big thread about let's say Polaris 11. All the good information will get lost in and it will only end up in another; i.e."Polaris/Vega vs Pascal" thread anyway.

And it is always nice to see when a news pop-up in the "Video Cards and Graphics" section instead of trying to find the information among the fights in the big thread. I see it that way.

My 0.03 cents
 

swilli89

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I don't agree with this.

I like when each news has a thread. So people discuss about the specific news subject. Instead of having one big thread about let's say Polaris 11. All the good information will get lost in and it will only end up in another; i.e."Polaris/Vega vs Pascal" thread anyway.

And it is always nice to see when a news pop-up in the "Video Cards and Graphics" section instead of trying to find the information among the fights in the big thread. I see it that way.

My 0.03 cents

Well you have the fun police brigade that somehow think that this is NOT a forum for hobbyists. They want to turn this forum into Wall Street Journal Tech Edition instead of its true purpose, to entertain computer hardware enthusiasts. Constantly arguing about either company's financial decisions and market share and all this other useless crap.

And yes I agree, new thread for every piece of substantial new facts or news. Maybe I should put on my own financial advisor cap and remind people that this forum exists solely to drive traffic and generate ad revenue. This is not a charity site. More threads probably equals more refreshes and more page hits.
 

positivedoppler

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Well you have the fun police brigade that somehow think that this is NOT a forum for hobbyists. They want to turn this forum into Wall Street Journal Tech Edition instead of its true purpose, to entertain computer hardware enthusiasts. Constantly arguing about either company's financial decisions and market share and all this other useless crap.

And yes I agree, new thread for every piece of substantial new facts or news. Maybe I should put on my own financial advisor cap and remind people that this forum exists solely to drive traffic and generate ad revenue. This is not a charity site. More threads probably equals more refreshes and more page hits.

thank you. I am so tired of sorting through pages of market share and financials. Accountants are absolutely dragging down this forum.
 
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