Large Hadron collider doesn't work because it is sabotaging itself from the future

[Modelworks]

wow, this is a way out there theory. The particles that the collider will produce in the future are time traveling to prevent themselves from ever being created.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10...html?pagewanted=1&_r=1

Then it will be time to test one of the most bizarre and revolutionary theories in science. I?m not talking about extra dimensions of space-time, dark matter or even black holes that eat the Earth. No, I?m talking about the notion that the troubled collider is being sabotaged by its own future. A pair of otherwise distinguished physicists have suggested that the hypothesized Higgs boson, which physicists hope to produce with the collider, might be so abhorrent to nature that its creation would ripple backward through time and stop the collider before it could make one, like a time traveler who goes back in time to kill his grandfather.

Holger Bech Nielsen, of the Niels Bohr Institute in Copenhagen, and Masao Ninomiya of the Yukawa Institute for Theoretical Physics in Kyoto, Japan, put this idea forward in a series of papers with titles like ?Test of Effect From Future in Large Hadron Collider: a Proposal? and ?Search for Future Influence From LHC,? posted on the physics Web site arXiv.org in the last year and a half.

According to the so-called Standard Model that rules almost all physics, the Higgs is responsible for imbuing other elementary particles with mass.

?It must be our prediction that all Higgs producing machines shall have bad luck,? Dr. Nielsen said in an e-mail message. In an unpublished essay, Dr. Nielson said of the theory, ?Well, one could even almost say that we have a model for God.? It is their guess, he went on, ?that He rather hates Higgs particles, and attempts to avoid them.?

This malign influence from the future, they argue, could explain why the United States Superconducting Supercollider, also designed to find the Higgs, was canceled in 1993 after billions of dollars had already been spent, an event so unlikely that Dr. Nielsen calls it an ?anti-miracle.?

 

[OCGuy]

"Hadron"? Grow up.

 

[rivan]

Originally posted by: OCguy
"Hadron"? Grow up.

You just blew my, uh, mind.

 

[Praxis1452]

Did the nytimes just write a serious article on what I'm assuming is a humorous essay written by that physicist? Or have I got this completely wrong?

 

[frostedflakes]

Sounds like poppycock.

 

[nerp]

Originally posted by: Praxis1452
Did the nytimes just write a serious article on what I'm assuming is a humorous essay written by that physicist? Or have I got this completely wrong?

You've got it wrong. It's a serious bit of papers based on some interesting thought experiments.

Remember, it was thought experiments that led Einsten to develop the theory of realtivity. And it is thought experiments that have led to the theory of reality being a holograph projected from the edge of the universe. It actually starts to make sense when you've been studying black holes long enough.

 

[So]

Originally posted by: nerp

Originally posted by: Praxis1452
Did the nytimes just write a serious article on what I'm assuming is a humorous essay written by that physicist? Or have I got this completely wrong?

You've got it wrong. It's a serious bit of papers based on some interesting thought experiments.

Remember, it was thought experiments that led Einsten to develop the theory of realtivity. And it is thought experiments that have led to the theory of reality being a holograph projected from the edge of the universe. It actually starts to make sense when you've been studying black holes long enough.

If the effect were real, it would be consistent and repeatable, not random components breaking. This is nothing more than humans who are wired to recognize patterns seeing them where there are none.

 

[Kalmah]

So when is this thing suppose to be operational anyways?

 

[darkxshade]

Originally posted by: Kalmah
So when is this thing suppose to be operational anyways?

As you can see, my young apprentice, your friends have failed. Now witness the firepower of this fully armed and operational collider!

Fire at will commander!

 

[Cattlegod]

Maybe the universe is based off of fusetalk.

 

[nerp]

Originally posted by: So

Originally posted by: nerp

Originally posted by: Praxis1452
Did the nytimes just write a serious article on what I'm assuming is a humorous essay written by that physicist? Or have I got this completely wrong?

You've got it wrong. It's a serious bit of papers based on some interesting thought experiments.

Remember, it was thought experiments that led Einsten to develop the theory of realtivity. And it is thought experiments that have led to the theory of reality being a holograph projected from the edge of the universe. It actually starts to make sense when you've been studying black holes long enough.

If the effect were real, it would be consistent and repeatable, not random components breaking. This is nothing more than humans who are wired to recognize patterns seeing them where there are none.

Much of quantum mechanics has to do with what is inconsitent and not repeatable. It's like the uncertianty principle.

 

[nerp]

What's interesting, according to Susskind, is that if we wanted to actually break apart particles to the planck length, we'd need a collider the size of the Milky Way.

So we'll have to settle for the higgs bosom.

 

[PlasmaBomb]

Originally posted by: Cattlegod
Maybe the universe is based off of fusetalk.

That is a scary thought...

 

[maziwanka]

wtf. why is this shit in the NYT. jesus. it's fucking science.

 

[RESmonkey]

Meh, it's an NYTimes article.

 

[Cheesetogo]

Originally posted by: maziwanka
wtf. why is this shit in the NYT. jesus. it's fucking science.

Ah. Where did you get your doctorate in particle physics again?

 

[GodlessAstronomer]

Originally posted by: nerp

Originally posted by: Praxis1452
Did the nytimes just write a serious article on what I'm assuming is a humorous essay written by that physicist? Or have I got this completely wrong?

You've got it wrong. It's a serious bit of papers based on some interesting thought experiments.

Remember, it was thought experiments that led Einsten to develop the theory of realtivity. And it is thought experiments that have led to the theory of reality being a holograph projected from the edge of the universe. It actually starts to make sense when you've been studying black holes long enough.

It's not at all unusual for physicists to inject humor into journals. NYTimes seems to have taken what was quite obviously a humorous pair of papers seriously. And so did you.

Originally posted by: nerp
Much of quantum mechanics has to do with what is inconsitent and not repeatable. It's like the uncertianty principle.

Experiments in particle physics are not repeatable? Someone better let those physicists know that the most successful theory in scientific history (Standard Model) is a failure.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: Cattlegod
Maybe the universe is based off of fusetalk.

Which might be why we haven't switched to vBulletin yet. The Fusetalk keeps sabotaging the effort. We might have to Nuke from Orbit to wipe the server HDs.

 

[Crono]

It's from an unpublished essay, written about in an NYT article. You might as well take Arcadio's theories as fact.

 

[Oceandevi]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P...f_Christopher_Columbus

 

[Kadarin]

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: Cattlegod
Maybe the universe is based off of fusetalk.

Which might be why we haven't switched to vBulletin yet. The Fusetalk keeps sabotaging the effort.

I'd go with this theory...

 

[TehMac]

Originally posted by: OCguy
"Hadron"? Grow up.

:laugh:

Originally posted by: Oceandevi
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P...f_Christopher_Columbus

That looks like something Michael Crichton would write (RIP). Looks pretty awesome though.

Did the book sell well?

 

[StinkyPinky]

Didn't they arrest some guy there for being a terrorist as well?

Seems the project is not going well. Damn time traveling particles and their terrorist loving ways.

 

[Evadman]

I gave a helicopter cancer.

 

[nerp]

Originally posted by: GodlessAstronomer

Originally posted by: nerp

Originally posted by: Praxis1452
Did the nytimes just write a serious article on what I'm assuming is a humorous essay written by that physicist? Or have I got this completely wrong?

You've got it wrong. It's a serious bit of papers based on some interesting thought experiments.

Remember, it was thought experiments that led Einsten to develop the theory of realtivity. And it is thought experiments that have led to the theory of reality being a holograph projected from the edge of the universe. It actually starts to make sense when you've been studying black holes long enough.

It's not at all unusual for physicists to inject humor into journals. NYTimes seems to have taken what was quite obviously a humorous pair of papers seriously. And so did you.

I see the humor in it. And so did the NY times story. Re-read.
[/quote]

Originally posted by: nerp
Much of quantum mechanics has to do with what is inconsitent and not repeatable. It's like the uncertianty principle.

Experiments in particle physics are not repeatable? Someone better let those physicists know that the most successful theory in scientific history (Standard Model) is a failure.[/quote]

I admit I'm an amateur, but I said quantum mechanics, not particle physics.. Try mapping the trajectory of a photon in an box that is continuously decreasing in size.