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So

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Originally posted by: suse920
Originally posted by: Wallydraigle
One time I got my hand too close to the laser thingy at the checkout counter at WalMart and two fingers on my left hand were cut off by the laser.

hahahahha

Hahahaha!
 

Booster

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Originally posted by: So
Oh, and to prove my point....shine the laser on something else (say, your hand) -- it doesn't even get warm! Shine one of the lasers that they use for surgery on a plastic cup and it will begin to melt pretty fast.

Well IMO it's not the power itself that could damage one's vision. It's the light - overly bright, highly focused. No matter what people in this thread say, I'm still pretty sure any kind of laser isn't safe.
 

Toastedlightly

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Originally posted by: Booster
Originally posted by: So
Oh, and to prove my point....shine the laser on something else (say, your hand) -- it doesn't even get warm! Shine one of the lasers that they use for surgery on a plastic cup and it will begin to melt pretty fast.

Well IMO it's not the power itself that could damage one's vision. It's the light - overly bright, highly focused. No matter what people in this thread say, I'm still pretty sure any kind of laser isn't safe.

so the government should take it away? I think not.
 

Kibbo

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Originally posted by: Booster
Originally posted by: So
Oh, and to prove my point....shine the laser on something else (say, your hand) -- it doesn't even get warm! Shine one of the lasers that they use for surgery on a plastic cup and it will begin to melt pretty fast.

Well IMO it's not the power itself that could damage one's vision. It's the light - overly bright, highly focused. No matter what people in this thread say, I'm still pretty sure any kind of laser isn't safe.

Dude, a laser of that low power will not hurt your eye from accidental contact. Is it dangerous? Yes, if you stare at it for 3 minutes, it might damage you. It's like looking at the sun. If you stare at it, it will burn your retinas. If you glance at it, you'll recover in a second or two.

You're a freakin' moron.
 

Booster

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You're a freakin' moron.

How nice of you to remind. OTOH, I think comparing laser to the sun explains why these things aren't forbidden. The sun can't be forbidden and it's dangerous in some instances. So I still gotta watch out, or these lasers might do me some harm.
 

So

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Originally posted by: Booster
Originally posted by: So
Oh, and to prove my point....shine the laser on something else (say, your hand) -- it doesn't even get warm! Shine one of the lasers that they use for surgery on a plastic cup and it will begin to melt pretty fast.

Well IMO it's not the power itself that could damage one's vision. It's the light - overly bright, highly focused. No matter what people in this thread say, I'm still pretty sure any kind of laser isn't safe.

Power is power, even in light form. Focused or not, it takes a certain amount of power to harm your eyes. It's the basic laws of physics.
 

KoolDrew

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If you piont a lazer pointer in my house my dog chases it. If you shine it on the wall he will run into the wall.
 

Wallydraigle

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Originally posted by: Booster
Originally posted by: So
Oh, and to prove my point....shine the laser on something else (say, your hand) -- it doesn't even get warm! Shine one of the lasers that they use for surgery on a plastic cup and it will begin to melt pretty fast.

Well IMO it's not the power itself that could damage one's vision. It's the light - overly bright, highly focused. No matter what people in this thread say, I'm still pretty sure any kind of laser isn't safe.


No one has ever been proven to have been harmed by a pocket paser pointer. There was a study in the journal of opthamology that showed that a person would have to stare into one for at least ten seconds before even beginning to possibly start to do any damage, and even then it's just a guess because no one has ever done it.
 

her209

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Originally posted by: KoolDrew
If you piont a lazer pointer in my house my dog chases it. If you shine it on the wall he will run into the wall.
Hehe. The same thing happens with me.
 

sharkeeper

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There are many factors that come into play on any eye exposure case.

Any laser device with acession number from the FDA, when used carefully, will not cause any problems. Even if abused, a (pointer) will not cause permanent harm.

The story changes as power levels are increased. Illegal laser pointers are available now approaching 100 mW. The danger with these is very real, they can cause permanent eye damage at distances over 100 feet due to the fact the reflexes are too slow to blink before damaging amounts of laser radiation enters the pupil.

Use of such a device (as a pointer) is STUPID! People that sell these devices as pointers are looking at facing jailtime and the concern is at an all time high given the recent rash of incidents involving aircraft. The sheer stupidity of people can be amazing these days. :|
 

tranceport

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I use my laser pointer like a light saber. I cut trees and shrubs in my back yard with it.

One time I was playing with the cat and making it run around the room. The crazy guy ran straight through the beam.. Oh man that was a mess. I felt so horrible I quickly turned my MX1000 Laser mouse upside down and burnt out both my eyes.
 

GreatBarracuda

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Originally posted by: Booster
Originally posted by: So
Oh, and to prove my point....shine the laser on something else (say, your hand) -- it doesn't even get warm! Shine one of the lasers that they use for surgery on a plastic cup and it will begin to melt pretty fast.

Well IMO it's not the power itself that could damage one's vision. It's the light - overly bright, highly focused. No matter what people in this thread say, I'm still pretty sure any kind of laser isn't safe.

I can't believe it. The usually clever and tech-savvy ATOT is proving to be such a klutz tonight. Laser pointers have the potential to cause serious damage to the eye. I myself can attest to this fact. Once someone shone a pointer in my eye for about 10 seconds. I had mild throbbing pain in the eye for about a week.

Here, educate yourselves and stop being such idiots:

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Laser Pointers

The Issue

Hand-held laser pointers are popular in Canada. Unfortunately, users are not knowledgeable about the intensity of the light and the effect it may have on the eye.

If you look directly into the beam from a laser pointer for more than a minute and a half in a very steady manner, or shine the beam into your eyes with binoculars, you could end up with permanent eye damage.
Background

Laser technology was first developed in the 1960s, and has grown to touch our lives in many ways. We use laser technology in space-age medical equipment, office printers and light shows at rock concerts.

A laser is the strongest source of light ever created by scientists. The beam that comes out of a simple hand-held laser pointer is at least a million times brighter than the average light bulb in your home.

The letters in "laser" stand for Light Amplification by Stimulated Emission of Radiation


Concern about Laser Pointers

These pointers are not dangerous when used with care, but the brightness of laser light can damage the eyes of anyone who looks directly into the beam for more than a minute and a half.

A split-second look can result in a condition called flashblindness. This is similar to the effect you get during flash photography, where the image of the flash remains in your eyes for a few seconds, and then fades away.

Flashblindness is temporary. Your vision returns to normal after a few moments, and there are no long-term effects. However, a longer look can cause serious damage to your eyes. It's worse if the laser beam is being projected through a piece of optical equipment, such as a telescope or a pair of binoculars. In these situations, the laser beam could actually burn a tiny spot, or cut open a blood vessel, on the retina at the back of your eye. In a worst-case scenario, you could go blind.

Use Common Sense

Laser pointers are not toys. Use them with caution, and only for their intended purpose. So far, there have been no reports of permanent eye damage caused by the use of laser pointers in Canada. We can keep it that way if we use our common sense. By following a few guidelines you can make sure no one gets hurt by a laser pointer. For example:

* When you buy a laser pointer, choose one that has a clear warning on the label about the potential to cause eye damage. Read the instructions carefully, and follow them closely.
* Choose a laser pointer that stays on only when you apply pressure with your fingers. That way you can never leave the beam on by accident.
* Never point a laser beam at anyone, and never look directly into the beam yourself.
* Never aim a laser pointer at surfaces that would reflect the light back, such as mirrors or mirrored surfaces.
* Never leave a laser pointer where children might get their hands on it.

http://www.hc-sc.gc.ca/english/iyh/products/laser.html
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Health Concerns of Hand Held Laser Pointers

Laser pointers

Laser pointers are small hand held lasers, originally designed for use by lecturers, to draw attention to particulars on a slide or overhead projection. Recently, lower cost solid state diode lasers have become available that are smaller and more rugged than the earlier gas lasers. These new diode laser pointers are also being marketed widely as novelty items.

The brightness (radiant intensity divided by the area of the emitting surface) of the light from these small lasers is greater than that of the sun, even at a large distance. There have been reports in Canada, the U.S.A. and other countries of incidents where laser pointers have been targeted at bus drivers, police officers, firefighters, musicians, teachers, audiences and athletes.


Are lasers dangerous?

That depends upon the output power of the laser. Very low power lasers are safe. Moderate to high power lasers can be hazardous to the eyes and, in some cases, the skin. Countries such as the U.S.A., where many diode laser pointers come from, have laser safety standards with mandatory classification and labeling requirements. In this system, all lasers are classified into one of four classes. The classification number (one to four) and appropriate warning statements must be labeled on the device. A class 1 laser does not present a hazard.

* A class 2 laser is visible, not inherently safe, but the eye is protected by one?s "blink aversion response" to the bright light.

* Class 3 lasers fall into one of two sub-classes, i.e., 3a and 3b.

o Class 3a: For most individuals, eye protection is afforded by the "blink aversion response" to class 3a lasers, except when the laser is viewed using optical aids (telescopes, binoculars).

o Class 3b lasers are dangerous, and can damage eyes instantaneously upon exposure. They require a longer exposure time to burn skin.
* Class 4 lasers are dangerous, and can damage eyes and skin instantaneously upon exposure. Some can damage eyes even from a diffuse reflection. Class 4 lasers can cause materials to ignite.



Diode laser pointers
Are diode laser pointers hazardous?


A survey of laser pointers available for retail sale in BC's Lower Mainland revealed that class 3a diode lasers, emitting mostly red light are being sold. Because they are lasers, injury to the retina can occur for individuals using optical aids (binoculars, telescopes). The natural "blink aversion response" would be unlikely to provide adequate protection from eye injury for intrabeam viewing of class 3a lasers through these devices. Class 3a laser pointers when viewed briefly without optical aids are unlikely to damage the eyes for individuals unless they force themselves to overcome their natural "blink aversion response" and stare into the bright laser light.


Other concerns?

* If a person?s eyes are exposed to a momentary sweep of the light from a laser pointer, this may result in temporary flash blindness. This is a bright dazzling flash, which is likely to cause distraction, temporary loss of vision in the affected eye and possible after-images.
* This can be dangerous if the exposed person is engaged in a vision-critical activity such as driving or operating machinery, playing sports, etc.



Exposure

If you were accidentally exposed and an after-image(s) persists for hours, or if a disturbance in reading vision is apparent, then medical attention should be sought. Secondly, report the incident to your local environmental health office (public health department).


Conclusions

1. Laser pointers, including diode laser pointers, are useful tools that should not be used by children or irresponsible individuals.
2. In some countries the sale of class 3a laser pointers is banned. It is recommended that the use of laser pointers be restricted to devices in classes 1 or 2 in preference over the class 3a, diode laser pointers.
3. Retailers should be discouraged from selling class 3a laser pointers the general public.
4. The control of the importation and sale of radiation emitting devices, such as lasers, is the responsibility of the federal government. No regulations controlling the importation and sale of laser pointers have been established in Canada to date.

http://www.bccdc.org/content.php?item=54
 

sharkeeper

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I can't believe it. The usually clever and tech-savvy ATOT is proving to be such a klutz tonight. Laser pointers have the potential to cause serious damage to the eye. I myself can attest to this fact. Once someone shone a pointer in my eye for about 10 seconds. I had mild throbbing pain in the eye for about a week.

Here, educate yourselves and stop being such idiots:

Methinks if YOU looked (stared) into ANY laser for TEN SECONDS you may want to reconsider your name calling schema!
 

jagec

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Originally posted by: Booster
How nice of you to remind. OTOH, I think comparing laser to the sun explains why these things aren't forbidden. The sun can't be forbidden and it's dangerous in some instances. So I still gotta watch out, or these lasers might do me some harm.

So if the sun could be covered up somehow, the government should do it to protect our vision?:roll:

Obviously staring into a laser for a few seconds is bad. But get getting it flashed in your eyes is NOT going to cause any damage.
 

GreatBarracuda

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Originally posted by: sharkeeper
I can't believe it. The usually clever and tech-savvy ATOT is proving to be such a klutz tonight. Laser pointers have the potential to cause serious damage to the eye. I myself can attest to this fact. Once someone shone a pointer in my eye for about 10 seconds. I had mild throbbing pain in the eye for about a week.

Here, educate yourselves and stop being such idiots:

Methinks if YOU looked (stared) into ANY laser for TEN SECONDS you may want to reconsider your name calling schema!

I wasn't looking into the laser. A friend was trying to be funny and kept shoving it into my face while I was busy doing work on the computer. Believe me, I noticed it only after my eye started feeling a little "funny".
 

jagec

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Originally posted by: GreatBarracuda
I wasn't looking into the laser. A friend was trying to be funny and kept shoving it into my face while I was busy doing work on the computer. Believe me, I noticed it only after my eye started feeling a little "funny".

Still your fault for not beating the crap out of your friend. If he kept stabbing you with a knife, would you have let him continue?
 

RaynorWolfcastle

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Originally posted by: GreatBarracuda
I can't believe it. The usually clever and tech-savvy ATOT is proving to be such a klutz tonight. Laser pointers have the potential to cause serious damage to the eye. I myself can attest to this fact. Once someone shone a pointer in my eye for about 10 seconds. I had mild throbbing pain in the eye for about a week.

Here, educate yourselves and stop being such idiots:

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Laser Pointers

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Concern about Laser Pointers

These pointers are not dangerous when used with care, but the brightness of laser light can damage the eyes of anyone who looks directly into the beam for more than a minute and a half.

zA split-second look can result in a condition called flashblindness. This is similar to the effect you get during flash photography, where the image of the flash remains in your eyes for a few seconds, and then fades away.

Flashblindness is temporary. Your vision returns to normal after a few moments, and there are no long-term effects.
However, a longer look can cause serious damage to your eyes. It's worse if the laser beam is being projected through a piece of optical equipment, such as a telescope or a pair of binoculars. In these situations, the laser beam could actually burn a tiny spot, or cut open a blood vessel, on the retina at the back of your eye. In a worst-case scenario, you could go blind.

blah blah blah

Read your own source before calling us idiots next time, Einstein.

 

Rogue

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Anyone else see the irony in sharkeeper and GreatBarracuda squaring off? Even funnier is that sharkeeper seems to be keeping GreatBarracuda caged up in his own stupidity pretty well.
 

SkyBum

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Originally posted by: Toastedlightly
ever hear of lasers having different OUTPUTS?!

OUTPUTS? I was thinking maybe I could hook one up to my MP3 player and see if it will damage my ears. Better yet, I could beam my whole MP3 collection into outer space if the cops ever come looking for it........

 

GreatBarracuda

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Originally posted by: RaynorWolfcastle
Laser Pointers

yadda yadda yadda
Concern about Laser Pointers

These pointers are not dangerous when used with care, but the brightness of laser light can damage the eyes of anyone who looks directly into the beam for more than a minute and a half.

zA split-second look can result in a condition called flashblindness. This is similar to the effect you get during flash photography, where the image of the flash remains in your eyes for a few seconds, and then fades away.

Flashblindness is temporary. Your vision returns to normal after a few moments, and there are no long-term effects. However, a longer look can cause serious damage to your eyes. It's worse if the laser beam is being projected through a piece of optical equipment, such as a telescope or a pair of binoculars. In these situations, the laser beam could actually burn a tiny spot, or cut open a blood vessel, on the retina at the back of your eye. In a worst-case scenario, you could go blind.

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Two can play at that game.

Read your own source before calling us idiots next time, Einstein.

The reason for my dismay are the unnecessary witty comments when someone is genuinely concerned about a health matter.
 

RaynorWolfcastle

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Originally posted by: GreatBarracuda

The reason for my dismay are the unnecessary witty comments when someone is genuinely concerned about a health matter.

How fvcking long were you planning at staring at your laser pointer? The OP said it " the freaking beam almost got into my eye", that hardly sounds like a minute and a half.

If you're retarded enough to stare at a laser pointer for more than a minute and a half you deserve to go blind.

 

CQuinn

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Cap'n Obvious to the rescue!

Originally posted by: Booster

Since few people seem to take your post seriously enough to actually comment
on your concerns, let me try to jump in with 2 cents.

Yesterday I visited a seminar, and the lecturer had a laser pointer. Little thing he
used to aim at the board. Then suddenly he waved it carelessly and the freaking beam
almost got into my eye! It was so unexpected!

You are correct that the lecturer was careless with his gestures while holding the
pointer. Some people can get nervous while speaking publically and he probably
did not realise that he was still pressing down on the activator switch.

But, did you speak to the lecturer about it afterward? He may not have
been aware of the breach of etiquitte, and if it was unexpected for you
(and a distraction from the lecture), then it probably had a similar effect
on other attendees.

Even though I knew the damn thing was no good from the very beginning.

Which, the pointer or the lecture? If you are thinking the pointer, allow me to
releive you on that notion.

Do you think these things are dangerous for one's vision?

No... no more dangerous than forcing yourself to stare at the sun for a long time
(assuming it is a bright cloudless day).

They utilize a laser beam that can destroy one's eye, I'm pretty sure.

No, the laser used in the average pointer is not strong enough to damage
living tissue from a brief exposure. If such a laser pointer was accidentally
pointed into your eye, you would reflexively blink from the change in light
intensity, which would serve to shield the eye itself from the beam.

It is recommended that you do not deliberately attempt to shine a laser pointer
directly into your eye, because the intensity of the coherent beam can cause
overload of the optic nerves, and the structure of the retina can act as a
manifying glass for the incoming light. There have been cases of loss
of color vision or temporary blindness as a result, but again, (AFAIK) no identified
cases of actual damage from brief exposure.

I guess these things shouldn't be produced because they're so dangerous.

So are flourescent lights... the average light bulb has several times the energy
output of a standard laser pointer. But we know not to stare directly at a light
bulb most of the time.

Then again, there's a new type of optical mice emerging - contrary to present-day
samples which use optical sensor (red light), new technology is to use laser straight away.

That is not a new technology, lasers have been developed for use for in mice for many years.
The new Logitech MX1000 (which is what I assume you are talking about) is only "new" because
they have figured out a way to increase the sampling rate for the laser reflection so that it is
more efficient than the red LED that is used in current "optical" mice.

I can't remember how many times I flipped the mouse over and the red light shone right into the eye.
Had there been a real laser, I'd probably be completely blind by now.
You are mistaken, the laser used in the MX1000 is both scattered, and shielded, so the laser light does not
come directly out in a way that can impact the users eye from a casual flip exposure of the sensor.
Plus it is a much weaker laser than even the laser pointers.

Someone in another forum put it this way: You would have to deliberately take the mouse apart, expose the
laser emitter, disable the safety cutoffs, and press the emitter directly against your eye for it to even count
as a light exposure. If you are going to go to that much trouble, any damage that occurs will not be caused
by the laser.
How do you think, are these consumer lasers really that dangerous? I think they well might be!

Do you own a CD player or DVD player? Have you ever bought groceries at a store that uses a
bar code scanner? Have you every printed something to a laser printer? There are lasers as powerful,
or more powerful, than that pointer in use around you all the time. They won't do damage unless you
or someone else makes a quite deliberate effort to make them more dangerous than they normally are.



// a public service announcement from the American Friends of Lasers and Acronym Coolness (AFLAC)
// no ducks were harmed in the making of this announcement, by lasers or other means.











 
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Originally posted by: So
Idiot.

You realize that even a few seconds direct exposure to the eye isn't doing to blind you.


yes it is enough to blind you.. or cause retinal damage.

The reason being the laser is a high energy source of light beam, and its concentrated, yes you will burn some retina in your eyes. and you will have a black spot.
 

GreatBarracuda

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Originally posted by: RaynorWolfcastle
How fvcking long were you planning at staring at your laser pointer?

What are you talking about?

The OP said it " the freaking beam almost got into my eye", that hardly sounds like a minute and a half.

When did I ever talk about this "minute and a half" thing? All I'm saying is that these things do cause eye damage. If you read the info I posted, it says that most laser pointers sold in stores are class 3a which do cause considerable damage to the eye ... maybe in considerably less time than a minute and a half? It doesn't say specifically which class causes damage in a minute and half.

If you're retarded enough to stare at a laser pointer for more than a minute and a half you deserve to go blind.

Sometimes you may not notice it, especially in a workplace situation where you may be in the path of a laser until something happens. Class 3a and above might cause more damage in less time.
 
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